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[Seraphim24]

Let me just state that I haven't really read every last detail in this thread, I'll just state a few universal truths.

 

1. Bloodrayne Betrayal is a random game off of Steam that barely anyone played or acknowledged is better than every Bioware game ever made.

2. Game of Thrones, a traditional media thing, is better than every Bioware game ever made. Wheel of Time, another traditional media thing, and really not quite GoT, is still better than every Bioware game ever made. Sword of Truth... well......... Sword of Truth is decidedly not better than every Bioware game ever made.

4. Bioware, in conception and execution, does not make great games but we're great fans of great games, they had this tendency to over-sexualize and cornify interactions, and frankly, it was tolerated because it was more enthusiastic than heretical. Not to mention, having a group or organization that could deal with all the fringe elements far outside the sphere of gentle gamers and their enthuasistic fans is quite valuable because they are much better able to spot the non-gamers, not being wholly and completely into it themselves, and say "look, I know gamers seem strange to you and gaming is a hardcore thing, but if you look closely you can see something very powerful and show it deference as we have."

 

Recently, that trended towards open rebellion. All I can say to that is

 

STOP. GET OUT OF GAMING, OR GET IT TOGETHER! NOW!

 

Is that sufficiently not passive aggressive enough for you all?

 

Being enthusasitic fans who had one foot different media but were also permitted to call themselves gamers, and who can run over the media sites and so on, fine you can have the remains of those websites and the remaining pieces around them, you can have awards shows, you can parade around and even take potshots at actual games with weird criticisms like "the 3rd level is programmed inefficiently." However,

 

You all do NOT get the moral highground, END OF STORY.

 

Deference will always be treated fairly and evaluated on it's own terms, heresy, not.

 

Finally while there are some sincere and passionate gamers here, they appear to have been mostly mind controlled to serve their beta overlords, and I will hope you all will find it within yourselves to forgive me for not getting to you guys (and gals) before they did.

[Seraphim24]

I had a dream last night which revealed to me an interesting story, (although I make no attempt to claim it as truth, think of it.. like fairy tale, inspiration and whismy combined with a few known realities to create something not intended to be wholly factual or removed from reality) It was in Canada somewhere, somewhere I didn't really recognize but I knew it must be there. It was filled with the stuff of nightmares, hollow and empty hallways, long desks with browbeaten attendants, lighting that didn't really illuminate but simply seemed to amplify the pressure. I realized where I was, it was a hospital, and in this hospital, there were a few of those browbeaten warriors, they were a few doctors, I couldn't see their faces precisely but I knew that this was related to something that had been on my mind the previous day.

 

In the midst of those massive, empty parking lots and dreery hallways, there was something in the middle of of one of those gruesome hospital scenes, no not the operating ones, the ones where someone is hurt but the ability to help is constrained, by something else, something... bureaucratic... something artificial, the means and ends are always unknown to me. But people who wanted to help could not. There was an operating table but nothing to operate on..

 

And so the most tragic scene enveloped me, people who wanted to do something but couldn't, and who returned to the empty parking surrounded by trees and empty forests, having done nothing but check lists and sign papers.

 

But then, a spark of hope, a kind of back and forth in the intermedium between people about something else that they sensed was their true path, away from the limitations of their current reality, "gaming,"

 

Now, they knew games were something special and different, they knew they would succeed, they knew the people that would succeed, they talked and had good conversations with friends, they knew that this would end well.

 

And so, they began their task, to construct an empire which would be neither wholly subservient to nor actively engaged in the sphere of gaming, something that could be a beacon of hope to all those who had shattered and miscast dreams crushed beneath the weight of stupidity, inaction, and the grinding gears of ugly misbegotten realities.

 

Thus, Bioware was born, and for 15 give or take a few years they fought that fight, bringing people who were stranded in the spiteful world to a brighter place, where evil and good were not so clearly cast, people could decide on their own what was right or wrong, or at least, to find the procedural elements that led to those conclusions.

 

But then, at the tail end of that journey, a dark star fell, the dark shadow of "social justice" a term only co-opted by those who know nothing of the struggle of the plight. This shadow began to eat away at a great thing, slowly engulfing it in it's flames with malign intensity, until all that remained were the scared but enthusastic fans of something that they knew to be greater, sadly, it left it's mark and those that began the empire have moved on, unsure of themeselves or their cause.

 

And now, we have the present, where the situation is muddled by a conflagration of sorts, one which is not decisive in the sense that it decides the future, because it remains, for now, under the willpower of those who are in the past, present, and future convinced of the need to fight evil, should they decide to do so. It is, also, a different generation, where the ends and meanings could possibly be improved, or worsened, no one can know for sure.

 

 

 

 

 

That was very cheesy lol I hope you all realize I know that. I literally did have a dream though about doctors and hospitals and with the forests and stuff it seemed like Alberta or something.

[FKA_Servo]

Romances are a role-playing choice, one which few RPGs allow you. Their games are better for having them.

 

It's nice when someone drops in to simply and eloquently sum up what everyone else has been spending paragraphs on.

[Filament]

Let me just state that I haven't really read every last detail in this thread, I'll just state a few universal truths.
 
1. Bloodrayne Betrayal is a random game off of Steam that barely anyone played or acknowledged is better than every Bioware game ever made.
2. Game of Thrones, a traditional media thing, is better than every Bioware game ever made.
3. Bioware, in conception and execution, does not make great games but we're great fans of great games, they had this tendency to over-sexualize and cornify interactions, and frankly, it was tolerated because it was more enthusiastic than heretical. Not to mention, having a group or organization that could deal with all the fringe elements far outside the sphere of gentle gamers and their enthuasistic fans is actually very valuable. They can be relied upon to castigate the sickest and most twisted elements of society.
 
Recently, that trended towards open rebellion. All I can say to that is
 
STOP. GET OUT OF GAMING, OR GET IT TOGETHER! NOW!
 
Is that not not passive aggressive for you all?
 
Being enthusasitic fans who were subtly permitted to call themselves gamers and who can run over the media sites and so on, fine you can have the remains of those websites and the remaining fans, you can have awards shows, you can parade around and even take potshots at actual games with weird criticisms like "the 3rd level is programmed inefficiently." Not to mention, at times, they actually do feel like decent games, it's not simply a matter of the lable, they in a sense, are gamers, of a kind. However,
 
You all do NOT get the moral highground, END OF STORY.
 
Finally while there are some sincere and passionate gamers here, they appear to have been mostly mind controlled to serve their beta overlords, and I will hope you all will find it within yourselves to forgive me for not getting to you guys before they did.

 
 

I had a dream last night which revealed to me an interesting story, (although I make no attempt to claim it as truth, think of it.. like fairy tale, inspiration and whismy combined with a few known realities to create something not intended to be wholly factual or removed from reality) It was in Canada somewhere, somewhere I didn't really recognize but I knew it must be there. It was filled with the stuff of nightmares, hollow and empty hallways, long desks with browbeaten attendants, lighting that didn't really illuminate but simply seemed to amplify the pressure. I realized where I was, it was a hospital, and in this hospital, there were a few of those browbeaten warriors, they were a few doctors, I couldn't see their faces precisely but I knew that this was related to something that had been on my mind the previous day.
 
In the midst of those massive, empty parking lots and dreery hallways, there was something in the middle of of one of those gruesome hospital scenes, no not the operating ones, the ones where someone is hurt but the ability to help is constrained, by something else, something... bureaucratic... something artificial, the means and ends are always unknown to me. But people who wanted to help could not. There was an operating table but nothing to operate on..
 
And so the most tragic scene enveloped me, people who wanted to do something but couldn't, and who returned to the empty parking surrounded by trees and empty forests, having done nothing but check lists and sign papers.
 
But then, a spark of hope, a kind of back and forth in the intermedium between people about something else that they sensed was their true path, away from the limitations of their current reality, "gaming,"
 
Now, they knew games were something special and different, they knew they would succeed, they knew the people that would succeed, they talked and had good conversations with friends, they knew that this would end well.
 
And so, they began their task, to construct an empire which would be neither wholly subservient to nor actively engaged in the sphere of gaming, something that could be a beacon of hope to all those who had shattered and miscast dreams crushed beneath the weight of stupidity, inaction, and the grinding gears of ugly misbegotten realities.
 
Thus, Bioware was born, and for 15 give or take a few years they fought that fight, bringing people who were stranded in the spiteful world to a brighter place, where evil and good were not so clearly cast, people could decide on their own what was right or wrong, or at least, to find the procedural elements that led to those conclusions.
 
But then, at the tail end of that journey, a dark star fell, the dark shadow of "social justice" a term only co-opted by those who know nothing of the struggle of the plight. This shadow began to eat away at a great thing, slowly engulfing it in it's flames with malign intensity, until all that remained were the scared but enthusastic fans of something that they knew to be greater, sadly, it left it's mark and those that began the empire have moved on, unsure of themeselves or their cause.
 
And now, we have the present, where the situation is muddled by a conflagration of sorts, one which is not decisive in the sense that it decides the future, because it remains, for now, under the willpower of those who are in the past, present, and future convinced of the need to fight evil, should they decide to do so. It is, also, a different generation, where the ends and meanings could possibly be improved, or worsened, no one can know for sure.
 
 
 
 
 
That was very cheesy lol I hope you all realize I know that. I literally did have a dream though about doctors and hospitals and with the forests and stuff it seemed like Alberta or something.

lol this guy.

[Angry_Elcor]

Let me just state that I haven't really read every last detail in this thread,

 

That's understandable. Let me catch you up on some:

 

I'm not going to waste more time on it one way or another

Before leaving this thread though I will say should your exploration or intervention into sexuality and media and good gaming happen to spill over into areas which I know to be stronger or more defensible, then obviously I'll be defending them. Good luck to you all, in everything.

 

Well I guess we're done here. I won't waste any more of mine and your time.

 

For the record, I haven't read either of your new posts, yet. I've decided to save them for the morning so that I have something to look forward to.

[Angry_Elcor]

This thread is now OT and deserves a lock+delete. Coherency?

 

Please stay on topic.

[Seboist]

Romances are a role-playing choice, one which few RPGs allow you. Their games are better for having them.

 

If the "quality" of them in BW games are anything to go by, I can see why.

[Lady Artifice]

 lol this guy.

 

I'm glad you quoted them both, for posterity sake. Who knows if they'll be the same in an hour. 

[Malthier]

Let me just state that I haven't really read every last detail in this thread, I'll just state a few universal truths.

 

1. Bloodrayne Betrayal is a random game off of Steam that barely anyone played or acknowledged is better than every Bioware game ever made.

2. Game of Thrones, a traditional media thing, is better than every Bioware game ever made. Wheel of Time, another traditional media thing, and really not quite GoT, is still better than every Bioware game ever made. Sword of Truth... well......... Sword of Truth is decidedly not better than every Bioware game ever made.

4. Bioware, in conception and execution, does not make great games but we're great fans of great games, they had this tendency to over-sexualize and cornify interactions, and frankly, it was tolerated because it was more enthusiastic than heretical. Not to mention, having a group or organization that could deal with all the fringe elements far outside the sphere of gentle gamers and their enthuasistic fans is quite valuable because they are much better able to spot the non-gamers, not being wholly and completely into it themselves, and say "look, I know gamers seem strange to you and gaming is a hardcore thing, but if you look closely you can see something very powerful and show it deference as we have."

 

Recently, that trended towards open rebellion. All I can say to that is

 

STOP. GET OUT OF GAMING, OR GET IT TOGETHER! NOW!

 

Is that sufficiently not passive aggressive enough for you all?

 

Being enthusasitic fans who had one foot different media but were also permitted to call themselves gamers, and who can run over the media sites and so on, fine you can have the remains of those websites and the remaining pieces around them, you can have awards shows, you can parade around and even take potshots at actual games with weird criticisms like "the 3rd level is programmed inefficiently." However,

 

You all do NOT get the moral highground, END OF STORY.

 

Deference will always be treated fairly and evaluated on it's own terms, heresy, not.

 

Finally while there are some sincere and passionate gamers here, they appear to have been mostly mind controlled to serve their beta overlords, and I will hope you all will find it within yourselves to forgive me for not getting to you guys (and gals) before they did.

 

 

I had a dream last night which revealed to me an interesting story, (although I make no attempt to claim it as truth, think of it.. like fairy tale, inspiration and whismy combined with a few known realities to create something not intended to be wholly factual or removed from reality) It was in Canada somewhere, somewhere I didn't really recognize but I knew it must be there. It was filled with the stuff of nightmares, hollow and empty hallways, long desks with browbeaten attendants, lighting that didn't really illuminate but simply seemed to amplify the pressure. I realized where I was, it was a hospital, and in this hospital, there were a few of those browbeaten warriors, they were a few doctors, I couldn't see their faces precisely but I knew that this was related to something that had been on my mind the previous day.

 

In the midst of those massive, empty parking lots and dreery hallways, there was something in the middle of of one of those gruesome hospital scenes, no not the operating ones, the ones where someone is hurt but the ability to help is constrained, by something else, something... bureaucratic... something artificial, the means and ends are always unknown to me. But people who wanted to help could not. There was an operating table but nothing to operate on..

 

And so the most tragic scene enveloped me, people who wanted to do something but couldn't, and who returned to the empty parking surrounded by trees and empty forests, having done nothing but check lists and sign papers.

 

But then, a spark of hope, a kind of back and forth in the intermedium between people about something else that they sensed was their true path, away from the limitations of their current reality, "gaming,"

 

Now, they knew games were something special and different, they knew they would succeed, they knew the people that would succeed, they talked and had good conversations with friends, they knew that this would end well.

 

And so, they began their task, to construct an empire which would be neither wholly subservient to nor actively engaged in the sphere of gaming, something that could be a beacon of hope to all those who had shattered and miscast dreams crushed beneath the weight of stupidity, inaction, and the grinding gears of ugly misbegotten realities.

 

Thus, Bioware was born, and for 15 give or take a few years they fought that fight, bringing people who were stranded in the spiteful world to a brighter place, where evil and good were not so clearly cast, people could decide on their own what was right or wrong, or at least, to find the procedural elements that led to those conclusions.

 

But then, at the tail end of that journey, a dark star fell, the dark shadow of "social justice" a term only co-opted by those who know nothing of the struggle of the plight. This shadow began to eat away at a great thing, slowly engulfing it in it's flames with malign intensity, until all that remained were the scared but enthusastic fans of something that they knew to be greater, sadly, it left it's mark and those that began the empire have moved on, unsure of themeselves or their cause.

 

And now, we have the present, where the situation is muddled by a conflagration of sorts, one which is not decisive in the sense that it decides the future, because it remains, for now, under the willpower of those who are in the past, present, and future convinced of the need to fight evil, should they decide to do so. It is, also, a different generation, where the ends and meanings could possibly be improved, or worsened, no one can know for sure.

 

 

That was very cheesy lol I hope you all realize I know that. I literally did have a dream though about doctors and hospitals and with the forests and stuff it seemed like Alberta or something.

 

 

You are delusional.

[Suketchi]

I had a dream last night which revealed to me an interesting story, (although I make no attempt to claim it as truth, think of it.. like fairy tale, inspiration and whismy combined with a few known realities to create something not intended to be wholly factual or removed from reality) It was in Canada somewhere, somewhere I didn't really recognize but I knew it must be there. It was filled with the stuff of nightmares, hollow and empty hallways, long desks with browbeaten attendants, lighting that didn't really illuminate but simply seemed to amplify the pressure. I realized where I was, it was a hospital, and in this hospital, there were a few of those browbeaten warriors, they were a few doctors, I couldn't see their faces precisely but I knew that this was related to something that had been on my mind the previous day.

 

In the midst of those massive, empty parking lots and dreery hallways, there was something in the middle of of one of those gruesome hospital scenes, no not the operating ones, the ones where someone is hurt but the ability to help is constrained, by something else, something... bureaucratic... something artificial, the means and ends are always unknown to me. But people who wanted to help could not. There was an operating table but nothing to operate on..

 

And so the most tragic scene enveloped me, people who wanted to do something but couldn't, and who returned to the empty parking surrounded by trees and empty forests, having done nothing but check lists and sign papers.

 

But then, a spark of hope, a kind of back and forth in the intermedium between people about something else that they sensed was their true path, away from the limitations of their current reality, "gaming,"

 

Now, they knew games were something special and different, they knew they would succeed, they knew the people that would succeed, they talked and had good conversations with friends, they knew that this would end well.

 

And so, they began their task, to construct an empire which would be neither wholly subservient to nor actively engaged in the sphere of gaming, something that could be a beacon of hope to all those who had shattered and miscast dreams crushed beneath the weight of stupidity, inaction, and the grinding gears of ugly misbegotten realities.

 

Thus, Bioware was born, and for 15 give or take a few years they fought that fight, bringing people who were stranded in the spiteful world to a brighter place, where evil and good were not so clearly cast, people could decide on their own what was right or wrong, or at least, to find the procedural elements that led to those conclusions.

 

But then, at the tail end of that journey, a dark star fell, the dark shadow of "social justice" a term only co-opted by those who know nothing of the struggle of the plight. This shadow began to eat away at a great thing, slowly engulfing it in it's flames with malign intensity, until all that remained were the scared but enthusastic fans of something that they knew to be greater, sadly, it left it's mark and those that began the empire have moved on, unsure of themeselves or their cause.

 

And now, we have the present, where the situation is muddled by a conflagration of sorts, one which is not decisive in the sense that it decides the future, because it remains, for now, under the willpower of those who are in the past, present, and future convinced of the need to fight evil, should they decide to do so. It is, also, a different generation, where the ends and meanings could possibly be improved, or worsened, no one can know for sure.

 

 

 

 

 

That was very cheesy lol I hope you all realize I know that. I literally did have a dream though about doctors and hospitals and with the forests and stuff it seemed like Alberta or something.

 

Yeah, well. I had a dream that Dave Bautista was trying to flush someone's head down the toilet. So there.

[Jaderail]

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them. Bioware games separate themselves from most others BECAUSE of in-depth relationships, including romances.

[Seboist]

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them. Bioware games separate themselves from most others BECAUSE of in-depth relationships, including romances.

 

They certainly aren't able to do it with tangible choices worth a damn or with a coherent and consistent story.

[SnakeCode]

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them. Bioware games separate themselves from most others BECAUSE of in-depth relationships, including romances.

 

In-depth? Really? It goes-  flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-bang-end. That is anything but deep. The Witcher 3 has a far deeper romance subplot, heck even Binary Domain does.

[Natureguy85]

I just finished a dudeshep play through with Kaidan alive. He never gave any sign of romantic interest.

 

I agree. People who want it in there are looking back on it with ME3 in mind and implanting ideas rather than looking at it on its own. The only thing I noticed was how weird it was having that weird looking scene play every time you walk up to talk to Kaidan. I haven't personally checked to see, but I've read in enough places that there was originally going to be a male Shepard/Kaidan option and the files are still in the game to believe it. However, even if that was the original plan, they changed their mind.

 

 

And you think that all of the best-written characters in history were perfectly conceived in one go and had no additions made to their character later, do you?

 

No, but it's better to have an organic change rather than something articicially attached on the side. The romances, being optional, makes them lean towards the latter. It can work the other way. For example, there is a big shift in Darth Vader's character after Star Wars going into the next two films. He's still awesome in both, but the change is noticable.

 

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them. Bioware games separate themselves from most others BECAUSE of in-depth relationships, including romances.

 

They separate themselves because of their characters, not necessarily relationships.

[pdusen]

snip

Feel free to start making sense at any time.

[Seboist]

In-depth? Really? It goes-  flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-bang-end. That is anything but deep. The Witcher 3 has a far deeper romance subplot, heck even Binary Domain does.

 

Getting a one night stand from a chick at a club has more "depth" than a "romance" plot in a BW game.

[Angry_Elcor]

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them.

 

Is anyone keeping score? DAMMIT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEEPING SCORE THIS WHOLE TIME

[Angry_Elcor]

Okay, I think I've had enough booze coffee to do this.

 

1. Bloodrayne Betrayal is a random game off of Steam that barely anyone played or acknowledged is better than every Bioware game ever made.

 

Thank you for this random opinion. Did it occur to you that the reason barely anyone acknowledged that it is better than every BioWare game ever made is because that subjective opinion you have is a minority one?

 

2. Game of Thrones, a traditional media thing, is better than every Bioware game ever made. Wheel of Time, another traditional media thing, and really not quite GoT, is still better than every Bioware game ever made. Sword of Truth... well......... Sword of Truth is decidedly not better than every Bioware game ever made.

 

Explain how anything about Game of Thrones qualifies as "traditional media." Unless perhaps you mean the book. If that's what you mean, I think it's great that you really like playing books as though they were video games.

 

4. Bioware, in conception and execution, does not make great games but we're great fans of great games, they had this tendency to over-sexualize and cornify interactions, and frankly, it was tolerated because it was more enthusiastic than heretical. Not to mention, having a group or organization that could deal with all the fringe elements far outside the sphere of gentle gamers and their enthuasistic fans is quite valuable because they are much better able to spot the non-gamers, not being wholly and completely into it themselves, and say "look, I know gamers seem strange to you and gaming is a hardcore thing, but if you look closely you can see something very powerful and show it deference as we have."

 

Recently, that trended towards open rebellion. All I can say to that is

 

 

STOP. GET OUT OF GAMING, OR GET IT TOGETHER! NOW!

 

Your #4 really ought to have been #3, unless #3 is one of those mysterious mystery things that only you and a handful of special people are aware of. Sort of like the meaning behind #4.

 

Being enthusasitic fans who had one foot different media but were also permitted to call themselves gamers, and who can run over the media sites and so on, fine you can have the remains of those websites and the remaining pieces around them, you can have awards shows, you can parade around and even take potshots at actual games with weird criticisms like "the 3rd level is programmed inefficiently." However,

 

You all do NOT get the moral highground, END OF STORY.

 

This was a story!?

 

Okay, now onto the next one.

 

I had a dream last night which revealed to me an interesting story, (although I make no attempt to claim it as truth, think of it.. like fairy tale, inspiration and whismy combined with a few known realities to create something not intended to be wholly factual or removed from reality) It was in Canada somewhere, somewhere I didn't really recognize but I knew it must be there. It was filled with the stuff of nightmares, hollow and empty hallways, long desks with browbeaten attendants, lighting that didn't really illuminate but simply seemed to amplify the pressure. I realized where I was, it was a hospital, and in this hospital, there were a few of those browbeaten warriors, they were a few doctors, I couldn't see their faces precisely but I knew that this was related to something that had been on my mind the previous day.

 

In the midst of those massive, empty parking lots and dreery hallways, there was something in the middle of of one of those gruesome hospital scenes, no not the operating ones, the ones where someone is hurt but the ability to help is constrained, by something else, something... bureaucratic... something artificial, the means and ends are always unknown to me. But people who wanted to help could not. There was an operating table but nothing to operate on..

 

And so the most tragic scene enveloped me, people who wanted to do something but couldn't, and who returned to the empty parking surrounded by trees and empty forests, having done nothing but check lists and sign papers.

 

But then, a spark of hope, a kind of back and forth in the intermedium between people about something else that they sensed was their true path, away from the limitations of their current reality, "gaming,"

 

Now, they knew games were something special and different, they knew they would succeed, they knew the people that would succeed, they talked and had good conversations with friends, they knew that this would end well.

 

And so, they began their task, to construct an empire which would be neither wholly subservient to nor actively engaged in the sphere of gaming, something that could be a beacon of hope to all those who had shattered and miscast dreams crushed beneath the weight of stupidity, inaction, and the grinding gears of ugly misbegotten realities.

 

Thus, Bioware was born, and for 15 give or take a few years they fought that fight, bringing people who were stranded in the spiteful world to a brighter place, where evil and good were not so clearly cast, people could decide on their own what was right or wrong, or at least, to find the procedural elements that led to those conclusions.

 

But then, at the tail end of that journey, a dark star fell, the dark shadow of "social justice" a term only co-opted by those who know nothing of the struggle of the plight. This shadow began to eat away at a great thing, slowly engulfing it in it's flames with malign intensity, until all that remained were the scared but enthusastic fans of something that they knew to be greater, sadly, it left it's mark and those that began the empire have moved on, unsure of themeselves or their cause.

 

And now, we have the present, where the situation is muddled by a conflagration of sorts, one which is not decisive in the sense that it decides the future, because it remains, for now, under the willpower of those who are in the past, present, and future convinced of the need to fight evil, should they decide to do so. It is, also, a different generation, where the ends and meanings could possibly be improved, or worsened, no one can know for sure.

 

Nope, I have not had anywhere near enough booze for this. I'll try this one after about 6 beers.

[Berta]

I get the feeling Asellus112 is really... really high. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I get the feeling Asellus112 is really... really high. 

 

For a real trip, go through all their posts in the past. Sometimes it's like arguing with a little kid, sometimes it creeps you out because this an adult interacting with people on a daily basis and that just seems wrong.

[Mr.House]

In-depth? Really? It goes-  flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-bang-end. That is anything but deep. The Witcher 3 has a far deeper romance subplot, heck even Binary Domain does.

And yet Solas broke that mold big time. ALso TW3s romance is only "deep" if it's Yen, Triss's is still horrible and makes most Bioware romances look good.

[Synthetic Turian]

In-depth? Really? It goes-  flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-bang-end. That is anything but deep. The Witcher 3 has a far deeper romance subplot, heck even Binary Domain does.

 

It's actually: flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-do my side mission first-bang-end. 

 

[KaiserShep]

In-depth? Really? It goes-  flirt-flirt-flirt-flirt-bang-end. That is anything but deep. The Witcher 3 has a far deeper romance subplot, heck even Binary Domain does.

 

I've seen this said before, but what exactly makes it deeper, than, say, Solas' romance? I don't really expect much from a video game romance in terms of complexity, but makes TW3's that much better? 

[Mr.House]

I've seen this said before, but what exactly makes it deeper, than, say, Solas' romance? I don't really expect much from a video game romance in terms of complexity, but makes TW3's that much better? 

Only Yen, not Triss. Triss is just utter garbage that is STILL criticized on CDP forums to the point those threads get instant locked now.

[Andrew Lucas]

Let me just state that I haven't really read every last detail in this thread, I'll just state a few universal truths.
 
1. Bloodrayne Betrayal is a random game off of Steam that barely anyone played or acknowledged is better than every Bioware game ever made.
2. Game of Thrones, a traditional media thing, is better than every Bioware game ever made. Wheel of Time, another traditional media thing, and really not quite GoT, is still better than every Bioware game ever made. Sword of Truth... well......... Sword of Truth is decidedly not better than every Bioware game ever made.
4. Bioware, in conception and execution, does not make great games but we're great fans of great games, they had this tendency to over-sexualize and cornify interactions, and frankly, it was tolerated because it was more enthusiastic than heretical. Not to mention, having a group or organization that could deal with all the fringe elements far outside the sphere of gentle gamers and their enthuasistic fans is quite valuable because they are much better able to spot the non-gamers, not being wholly and completely into it themselves, and say "look, I know gamers seem strange to you and gaming is a hardcore thing, but if you look closely you can see something very powerful and show it deference as we have."
 
Recently, that trended towards open rebellion. All I can say to that is
 
STOP. GET OUT OF GAMING, OR GET IT TOGETHER! NOW!
 
Is that sufficiently not passive aggressive enough for you all?
 
Being enthusasitic fans who had one foot different media but were also permitted to call themselves gamers, and who can run over the media sites and so on, fine you can have the remains of those websites and the remaining pieces around them, you can have awards shows, you can parade around and even take potshots at actual games with weird criticisms like "the 3rd level is programmed inefficiently." However,
 
You all do NOT get the moral highground, END OF STORY.
 
Deference will always be treated fairly and evaluated on it's own terms, heresy, not.
 
Finally while there are some sincere and passionate gamers here, they appear to have been mostly mind controlled to serve their beta overlords, and I will hope you all will find it within yourselves to forgive me for not getting to you guys (and gals) before they did.