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[Laughing_Man]

And yet Solas broke that mold big time. ALso TW3s romance is only "deep" if it's Yen, Triss's is still horrible and makes most Bioware romances look good.

 

Only Yen, not Triss. Triss is just utter garbage that is STILL criticized on CDP forums to the point those threads get instant locked now.

 

Yes, it is unfortunate.

 

Hell, even the Shani romance subplot in Hearts of Stone was deeper and certainly more fun.

 

I think that the approach should be: Either do a really good romance story (something which is next to impossible in games with a large number of them),

both in writing time, animation of various interactions, and anything else that can breath life into the experience, or don't do them at all.

 

It seems like the Triss romance was a bit of an after thought, and it shows.

Oh well, perhaps they will fix and expand it in the future.

[Mr.House]

HoS and Shani was pretty much CDP assuring fans they still had it in them (since even the main story of TW3 is criticized along with its disappointing end)

 

Man of Glass is one of the best villains ever.

[Lady Artifice]

I've seen this said before, but what exactly makes it deeper, than, say, Solas' romance? I don't really expect much from a video game romance in terms of complexity, but makes TW3's that much better?

Someone's opinion.

[Laughing_Man]

(since even the main story of TW3 is criticized along with its disappointing end)

 

#StillBetterThanDAI

[DeusGoddess5010]

Thier going to include romances like every bioware game.

[Seboist]

Thier going to include romances like every bioware game.

 

Now if only they could write some decent ones that had character development and an impact on the story(rare exceptions like morrigan/alistair notwithstanding).

 

That and a proper manfu that takes charge and isn't some submissive chump like Kaidan or a gross looking alien/non-human, like a Daario Naharis type.

[fhs33721]

*a load of highly amusing, partially incoherent rambling*

 

*a load of highly amusing, partially incoherent rambling*

Can you be a bit more melodramatic please? I think you have not quite reached the absolute maximum here even if you came very close.

 

Also your story seriously lacks someone strangling a bear with their bare hands. You should definitely build that into your post somewhere.

[CronoDragoon]

If the "quality" of them in BW games are anything to go by, I can see why.

 

What are some examples of romances you like?

[Seboist]

What are some examples of romances you like?

 

Dysfunctional love/hate ones are something I dig, like Aeon Flux and Trevor Goodchild in the old aeon flux cartoons or Geralt of Rivia and Yennefer (More so the novels than TW3). Another type I go for are tragic ones, like the one in "the long murrow" ep from the original Twilight Zone.

 

In terms of player initiated "romance" or sex in video game, I'm hard pressed to take any of it seriously, whether in DA,Persona, Witcher,ME,etc. It's either poorly written, shallow,sappy, has zero impact on character development or the narrative or is too gamey/simple(ex. few brief convos and "we'll bang okay?".

[Commander Rpg]

What are some examples of romances you like?

The short ones, if they're virtual videogaming. I have plenty of time to taste the real ones in life.

[Mr.House]

Now if only they could write some decent ones that had character development and an impact on the story(rare exceptions like morrigan/alistair notwithstanding).

 

That and a proper manfu that takes charge and isn't some submissive chump like Kaidan or a gross looking alien/non-human, like a Daario Naharis type.

So Solas.

[KaiserShep]

So Solas.

 

Well, technically he's a non-human so he doesn't tick all the boxes

[Seboist]

So Solas.

 

Never played DAI, sounds like a potential manfu for me then.

 

 

Well, technically he's a non-human so he doesn't tick all the boxes 

 

 

Meh, elves are just humans with pointy ears and besides, can only 'mance him as an elf, soo....

[CronoDragoon]

Dysfunctional love/hate ones are something I dig, like Aeon Flux and Trevor Goodchild in the old aeon flux cartoons or Geralt of Rivia and Yennefer (More so the novels than TW3). Another type I go for are tragic ones, like the one in "the long murrow" ep from the original Twilight Zone.

 

In terms of player initiated "romance" or sex in video game, I'm hard pressed to take any of it seriously, whether in DA,Persona, Witcher,ME,etc. It's either poorly written, shallow,sappy, has zero impact on character development or the narrative or is too gamey/simple(ex. few brief convos and "we'll bang okay?".

 

Okay, so based on that, it's fair to say you don't see any point in romances where the player is given input on who the partner is?

 

My own opinion is that they can be good, and perhaps I've just been lucky in that the romances I chose for ME and Dragon Age have demonstrated additional character development (or at least, providing another angle on which to examine someone's personality and motivation). Poorly written/shallow/sappy is a bit subjective, but I won't deny that they have done some bad romances (this is almost an inevitability given how many they've done at this point).

 

Part of the problem is that given blank-slate characters, by definition they can't have pre-existing romantic connections. So the player is always there for the start of the romance, which means that a lot of the history present for the well-defined, complicated relationships (such as Geralt/Yennefer) has yet to be established. I don't particularly agree that this makes the romance shallow (everything has to start somewhere) so long as the writing is able to demonstrate why the attraction is there based on who each character is. And that's why I think romances are good role-playing choices; because they allow you to mold a character into something more than just a stat sheet.

[kitcat1228]

Video game romances are essentially side quests. I think expecting them to be deep and game or changing is unrealistic.

I think Bioware is trying to break up the flirt flirt side quest we'll bang OK pattern. At least some of the LI have content after sex, for example Blackwall's quest doesn't even trigger until after. I think they'll continue to change them up in Andromeda. They still will be limited by word count and cut scenes, because side quest.

[Malthier]

Romances in computer games are just creepy. Play the (Yech) Sims if you want them.

 

TR

 

Nah, ill just play these and have romances and combat both. 

[Daemul]

Discussions like these are the reason why most games either stick to a pre-defined romance or don't have any romance at all, giving players a choice inevitability leads to this toxic bullshit. 

 

If you don't want romances go play one of the thousands of other games without them. Bioware games separate themselves from most others BECAUSE of in-depth relationships, including romances.

 

In-depth romances in Bioware games?

 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

giving players a choice inevitability leads to this toxic bullshit. 

 

My two observations:

 

- Your standards for "toxic" are quite broad.

 

- Toxicity tends to be created by those who engage in debates in a toxic manner, regardless of the subject. It is the level of the subject's contention that will tend to increase toxicity, not the nature of the subject itself.

[Corades]

Bio game without romance is not Bio game. End. 

[fhs33721]

In-depth romances in Bioware games?

Depends on which other romances you are comparing them to.

 

Real life romcane? Hahahah no.

Well written romance in some novels? Hahaha no

Stupid Hollywood level romantic subplots where the hero meets good looking female sidekick/damsel in distress/ second in command for the bad guy and they meet and talk once for five minutes max (twice maybe if it's a long movie) and then somehow end up declaring their undying love for each other the next time they see each other? Well Biowares romances are usually more in-depth than those.

Crappy paranormal-romance novels, that blatantly try to copy Twilight and fail to reach even that level of good writing, primarily aimed teenage girls and bored housewomen where the plot usually boils down to "Oh my good he is handsome and mysterious. Oh, he looked at me once. Love at first sight. We are now forever bound together in undying love as soulmates."? Even Bioware romances seem like god-tier writing in comparison to those most of the time.

97,48% of all fanfiction? Bioware wins without any contest whatsoever.

[Angry_Elcor]

Discussions like these are the reason why most games either stick to a pre-defined romance or don't have any romance at all, giving players a choice inevitability leads to this toxic bullshit. 

 

Spoiler

Whateva. I don't see any other romance threads around here, do you? THAT MEANS I WON

 

 

But no, not really. I don't think I've even had anybody outright insult me or call me names in at least about 10 pages. And this is BSN. That basically makes this a hippy thread.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Spoiler

Whateva. I don't see any other romance threads around here, do you? THAT MEANS I WON

 

 

But no, not really. I don't think I've even had anybody outright insult me or call me names in at least about 10 pages. And this is BSN. That basically makes this a hippy thread.

 

... well, there is that QMR romance thread...

[Angry_Elcor]

... well, there is that QMR romance thread...

 

Shhhh. Don't shatter my beautiful self delusion.

[Daemul]

My two observations:

 

- Your standards for "toxic" are quite wide.

 

- Toxicity tends to be created by those who engage in debates in a toxic manner, regardless of the subject. It is the level of the subject's contention that will tend to increase toxicity, not the nature of the subject itself.

 

Nah man, there's a reason why the romance section was closed for nearly two years. It wasn't just because the Miranda fans went full retard, that was just the straw that broke the camels back, the romance section was already living on borrowed time due to the toxicity it brought to BSN, arguments over there would end up spilling over into other parts of the forum.

 

Thankfully the worst offenders have long left BSN, so it's much calmer here now, but back then it was a cesspit. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Nah man, there's a reason why the romance section was closed for nearly two years. It wasn't just because the Miranda fans went full retard, that was just the straw that broke the camels back, the romance section was already living on borrowed time due to the toxicity it brought to BSN, arguments over there would end up spilling over into other parts of the forum.

 

Thankfully the worst offenders have long left BSN, so it's much calmer here now, but back then it was a cesspit. 

 

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but nothing you said in any way contradicts the points that I made.