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[The Elder King]

And what guarantees that the Shepard-Wannabe AI wont come to the same conclusion as the Reapers and decides to start the cycles again?

Shepard's thoughts and values would form a block to prevent it, I guess.

[Cheviot]

And what guarantees that the Shepard-Wannabe AI wont come to the same conclusion as the Reapers and decides to start the cycles again? 

Because it start from a different set of principles.  For example, whereas the Catalyst sees Organic-Synthetic conflict as ineviatable and apocolyptic, Shepard does not.

[The Elder King]

Only real ending is MEHEM and everyone knows that. But the only way to completely screw Shepard over is putting him in Mass effect Andromeda

I'm glad people found consolation MEHEM. It won't change the fact that I consider It fanon.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Only real ending is MEHEM and everyone knows that. 

[Iakus]

I'm glad people found consolation MEHEM. It won't change the fact that I consider It fanon.

Anything beyond "Shepard dies/takes one more breath" is fanon

[Teddie Sage]

I'm glad people found consolation MEHEM. It won't change the fact that I consider It fanon.

What's wrong about "fanon"?

[CronoDragoon]

They don't? One of the go-to lines during the ME3 debacle was how the hero dying was so cliche.

[Suron]

I think you have to understand it from the devs point of view. In ME3 I got the feeling that BW was a little Shepard weary and I sympathize. I have no doubt that writing the same character for three 20 plus hour games can be trying. You have to bring in fresh ideas to keep creativity going. I didn't care much for the ending myself, but all in all, Shepard had a good run and it's better for her to go out w/ the trilogy than to just hang around until no one wants him anymore. Besides, my Shepard is still alive and living w/ Liara and all those little blue children.

Pretty much this.

 

In high-ems destroy we get the "breath" scene.  And nothing after.  So that leaves it open for fan interpretation.  Frankly MY Shepard lived (breath scene) was eventually found in the rubble barely alive.  Taken for medical attention.  Eventually Liara got word of his survival.  Came to see him and stayed at his side until he was released from the Hospital.  From there they moved in together, got married, and had those little blue babies.  Living happily while the galaxy was rebuilt.

 

And you know what? NO ONE can tell me that's NOT what happened unless BioWare comes along themselves and "canonizes" an ending saying otherwise.

 

So frankly if shep is dead in your game...it was your choice.

[The Elder King]

Anything beyond "Shepard dies/takes one more breath" is fanon

Are You referring to the epilogue slides?

What's wrong about "fanon"?

Nothing, but it makes me disagree with It 'being the only real ending'.

[Iakus]

Pretty much this.

 

In high-ems destroy we get the "breath" scene.  And nothing after.  So that leaves it open for fan interpretation.  Frankly MY Shepard lived (breath scene) was eventually found in the rubble barely alive.  Taken for medical attention.  Eventually Liara got word of his survival.  Came to see him and stayed at his side until he was released from the Hospital.  From there they moved in together, got married, and had those little blue babies.  Living happily while the galaxy was rebuilt.

 

And you know what? NO ONE can tell me that's NOT what happened unless BioWare comes along themselves and "canonizes" an ending saying otherwise.

 

So frankly if shep is dead in your game...it was your choice.

Too bad you can't do that with any of the other endings.

 

So many ways for Shepard to die.

 

Shepard living is left to fanfiction.

[Iakus]

Are You referring to the epilogue slides?
 

I'm referring to the breath scene.  Anything beyond that breath is left to "speculations"  Including Shepard ever being found. 

 

Edit:  I suppose this could be justifiable as a "leave it to the player" decision.  But they didn't leave any of the other endings in such a way.  Shepard is well and truly dead and even disintegrated in those.   So that leave the token faceless torso scene as the only spot of hope for Shepard as a douche movie, imo.  No matter how "artistic" they thought it was.

[syropbananowy]

Thing is it would be way easier to say goodbay to Shepard if he/she got a proper ending. You know, one that he/she deserved after all those hours we spend with ME trilogy. So while I'm glad we'll have new character I do understand people who feel we need more content on how Shepard's story ended. I hated the green ending and my Shepard survived, so it would be great to see what happend next. Hence the disappointment.

[AtreiyaN7]

They said that Shepard's story was a trilogy - that trilogy is over, so either get over the fact that it's over, or...MOVE ON. *rolleyes*

[The Elder King]

I'm referring to the breath scene.  Anything beyond that breath is left to "speculations"  Including Shepard ever being found. 
 
Edit:  I suppose this could be justifiable as a "leave it to the player" decision.  But they didn't leave any of the other endings in such a way.  Shepard is well and truly dead and even disintegrated in those.   So that leave the token faceless torso scene as the only spot of hope for Shepard as a douche movie, imo.  No matter how "artistic" they thought it was.

Understood.

[Iakus]

They said that Shepard's story was a trilogy - that trilogy is over, so either get over the fact that it's over, or...MOVE ON. *rolleyes*

End of a story=/=character needs to die.

[Riven326]

Franchises don't kill their hero....

Yeah they do.

[Suron]

Too bad you can't do that with any of the other endings.

 

So many ways for Shepard to die.

 

Shepard living is left to fanfiction.

 

 

I guess you can't read.  the breath scene leaves it open.  As you might say it shows his "last" breath.  I say it shows him still living.

 

funny thing is is game design supports him living more than your assuming it's his last breath.  Since high EMS gives the "best" outcomes it makes no sense for a "bonus scene" only available through high ems to show Shepard taking a final breath.  Yet it makes perfect sense, in that context, for it to be showing him taking a breath because he's barely still alive and can possibly live.

 

But nice try.

 

and fan fiction? anything outside what bioware shows us is fan fiction.  So I don't get your point.

 

My point is, with what we're given, until BioWare themselves comes along and tells us Shepard died regardless...my little story above is no more or less true then what you're trying to shove down everyones throats.  So again.  Nice try.  Despite your claims beings no more or less true than my own.  Only BioWare can say which one of us is wrong.  But keep trying, kid ;-)

[themikefest]

I think you have to understand it from the devs point of view. In ME3 I got the feeling that BW was a little Shepard weary and I sympathize. I have no doubt that writing the same character for three 20 plus hour games can be trying. You have to bring in fresh ideas to keep creativity going. I didn't care much for the ending myself, but all in all, Shepard had a good run and it's better for her to go out w/ the trilogy than to just hang around until no one wants him anymore. Besides, my Shepard is still alive and living w/ Liara and all those little blue children.

That might be true. With this next game taking place away from the trilogy, they can have fresh idea's and have a free-for-all on what to do. It gives them time to get away from the trilogy and after the release of the next game, they could bring Shepard back, if they choose, with new ideas to have Shepard in another game.

[Teddie Sage]

@The Elder King: I get your point of view now, though to some people, their fanon ending is their truth and we gotta respect that. That other poster didn't post their fanon in a respectful way, though to me it sounded like anything coming from "fanons" was wrong, the way I interpreted your message.

[Sifr]

And what guarantees that the Shepard-Wannabe AI wont come to the same conclusion as the Reapers and decides to start the cycles again? 

 

Paragon and RenShep gave the Catalyst a new core directive to hopefully prevent that. In their Extended Cut speeches, Paragon wants to use the Reapers to serve and protect all life, while RenShep wants to protect life and maintain the peace by threatening to sic the Reapers on anyone who threatens it?

 

Well, I don't see exactly like this. I think it's different from the Catalyst too.
To clarify, I like (Para)Control.

 

Well, it's not exactly the Catalyst, nor is it Shepard, more like a hybrid of the two? A new entity that's got the Catalyst's near-infinite power, but with Shepard's moral compass to guide it?

[Iakus]

I guess you can't read.  the breath scene leaves it open.  As you might say it shows his "last" breath.  I say it shows him still living.

 

And every other ending shows Shepard dying.  Unequivocally.  No room for interpretation.

 

 

 

funny thing is is game design supports him living more than your assuming it's his last breath.  Since high EMS gives the "best" outcomes it makes no sense for a "bonus scene" only available through high ems to show Shepard taking a final breath.  Yet it makes perfect sense, in that context, for it to be showing him taking a breath because he's barely still alive and can possibly live.

 

"possibly being the operative word here.  Wheras every other ending, regardless of EMS score shows Shepard dying horribly.

 

 

 

But nice try.
and fan fiction? anything outside what bioware shows us is fan fiction.  So I don't get your point.
 

Synthesis:  Shepard dies.  

High EMS Control Shepard dies

Low EMS Control: Shepard dies

Low EMS Destroy:  Shepard dies

Medium EMS Destroy: Shepard dies

high EMS Destroy <3100 EMS: Shepard dies

Refuse: Shepard dies

 

3100+ Destroy:  Shepard might live. Or maybe dies.  Lots of speculations for everyone.

 

Is my point any clearer

 

 

My point is, with what we're given, until BioWare themselves comes along and tells us Shepard died regardless...my little story above is no more or less true then what you're trying to shove down everyones throats.  So again.  Nice try.  Despite your claims beings no more or less true than my own.  Only BioWare can say which one of us is wrong.  But keep trying, kid ;-)

And this is the closest you can ever get to Shepard living:  in this one ending, you can tell a little story to yourself that Shepard somehow gets out of this mess alive.  But if you want Shepard to die, you get ALL the optons

[WildOrchid]

Wut? My Shep is alive and well.

 

Unless they pull the "Shep ded" route in ME:A, which I doubt they will since Shep will most likely get one to no mention at all.

 

 

And, destroy ending ftw.

[LPPrince]

Mass Effect is kinda weird regarding the fate of its hero.

 

Mass Effect: Shepard appears to have died but actually survived with only minor injuries

 

Mass Effect 2: Shepard dies, then is somehow brought back to life, then depending on choices dies again or survives

 

Mass Effect 3: Shepard dies but depending on choices can vaguely be determined to have survived

 

Mass Effect Andromeda: It was all a dream, we wake up post-Eden Prime

[Sifr]

"And lo, did the Shepard say 'Wrex.'

and verily did Wrex say 'Shepard.'"

 

"And Garrus did declare the place to be his favourite spot on the Citadel, and all was good..."

 

"Jacob mused aloud, "Any task with sufficient challenge is worth the effort..." (Hanar translation, Kahje Edition)