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[ElitePinecone]

The Reapers were never in Andromeda.

BioWare won't write it like that, so it didn't happen. The Reaper storyline was over in ME3 and we won't be hearing about it again.

[UKStory135]

It would not surprise me the battle against the reapers met a multi galaxy level, to the point where were we defended the entire local cluster of galaxies, MW, Andromeda, and the lesser ones. Without a new discovers Mass Effect relay, the travel time is reasonable for asari and krogan. The idea of some sort of Reaper based newly discovered relay isn't insane either.

[dreamgazer]

The Reapers were never in Andromeda.

 

They weren't? What else do they have to do between 50k-year wait periods? Chaos that needs order exists beyond the Milky Way, after all. 

[ElitePinecone]

It would be incredibly stupid of the Reapers to leave the controlled environment and closed system that is the Milky Way for the big dark unknown. For one, the universe is huge. They would never be able to police it in its entirety, especially since they're stagnant as hell. But that's actually irrelevant, since they're most definitely not the biggest fish in the sea. If they go to every galaxy out there they will eventually be squashed like the bugs they are by someone bigger and badder.
 
At least organics are desperate. The Reapers are comfortably sitting in a galaxy they are able to control only because the game is rigged in their favor.

Also this. Once the cycles are in place, it's far safer to remain in the Milky Way.

If we consider the Reapers a billion-year experiment, why would they spread out to new galaxies where some other species could already have developed to a level of advancement and technology powerful enough to utterly destroy them? The experiment runs perfectly well in one galaxy.

[ElitePinecone]

They weren't? What else do they have to do between 50k-year wait periods? Chaos that needs order exists beyond the Milky Way, after all.

They sleep

[Snorka]

In the lore ME3 gives us, a trip to Andromeda is at most, 571 years. With reaper FTL it's 230 years, also its entirety plausible, and in fact probable, that the reapers were in Andromeda too. They are millions of years old, go to the Milky Way every 50,000 years and Andromeda would take them 230 years. Those parameters are set in the first trilogy. The council species taking the 571 year long trip, or them finding a short cut based on reaper tech both seem plausible to me in this Mass Effect universe.

Is that 571 years relative to the crew on the ship? or is it relative to the people in the Milkyway?

[ElitePinecone]

Is that 571 years relative to the crew on the ship? or is it relative to the people in the Milkyway?

Mass Effect FTL travel doesn't encounter issues of relativity. It explains away time dilation with technobabble about mass effect fields. 571 years is 571 years for both the observer and the people on the ship.

(It doesn't make a lot of sense but it's vastly easier to understand, and necessary in this sort of space opera sci-fi)


http://masseffect.wi...icles#FTL_Drive

[dreamgazer]

They sleep

 

50,000 years is a long time to sleep when there's chaos elsewhere that needs ordering. 

 

Seriously, millions billions of years and they never thought to use 1% of that span for a quick trip to the neighboring galaxy?

[Drone223]

50,000 years is a long time to sleep when there's chaos elsewhere that needs ordering. 

 

Seriously, millions billions of years and they never thought to use 1% of that span for a quick trip to the neighboring galaxy?

Indeed they've existed for billions of years they had more than enough time to travel to other galaxies.

[SardaukarElite]

50,000 years is a long time to sleep when there's chaos elsewhere that needs ordering. 

 

Seriously, millions billions of years and they never thought to use 1% of that span for a quick trip to the neighboring galaxy?

 

I'd agree, but ME3 ending specifies that the Reapers were built for a specific and stupid purpose, so if they aren't supposed to go to another galaxy then it kinda makes sense that they wouldn't.

 

On the other hand that purpose could have been expanded to include other galaxies I guess.

[BabyPuncher]

I would very, very, very seriously doubt BioWare would be stupid enough to try and bring the Reapers into Andromeda.

 

Whether or not it 'makes sense' it not really the issue. The issue is that just finished up an arc with the Reapers are pretty much everyone agrees it was an incompetent mess.

 

Reapers as an antagonist means they need a plausible yet meaningful method of them being defeated. Again. It means they need a motive that the player and protagonist can find meaning in refuting. Again. It means they need to come up with a bunch of lore and backstory. Again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would very, very, very seriously doubt BioWare would be stupid enough to try and bring the Reapers into Andromeda.

 

Whether or not it 'makes sense' it not really the issue. The issue is that just finished up an arc with the Reapers are pretty much everyone agrees it was an incompetent mess.

 

Reapers as an antagonist means they need a plausible yet meaningful method of them being defeated. Again. It means they need a motive that the player and protagonist can find meaning in refuting. Again. It means they need to come up with a bunch of lore and backstory. Again.

I don't think anyone is asking for the Reapers to go again and show up in the game, but have it so that they've been there. You know, they built Mass Relays, wiped out advanced life less than a cycle ago so we aren't squashed like insects the moment we arrive, etc. 

[dreamgazer]

I don't think anyone is asking for the Reapers to go again and show up in the game, but have it so that they've been there.

Bingo.

[The Night Haunter]

The desire to expand is a human (organic in the ME context) drive, because living beings die there is a biological imperative to maximize the survival of the species by spreading everywhere possible.

Machines do not die over time, they can theoretically live forever (as shown in the case of Harbinger existing since the dawn of the Reapers), so would have no need to 'spread to survive'.

 

The whole idea of 'bringing order to chaos' is also a giant assumption on our part. Their true motives are potentially alien to us (Sovereign said as much) and are probably not so silly as copying the Borg and the very first AI/Thinking Machine storylines from 50 years ago.

 

 

 

Regardless, Bioware has essentially acknowledged that the ME trilogy is something for the past that has no bearing on the present (moving to a whole new galaxy to avoid having anything more than passing references to the original trilogy is very telling), so Reapers are incredibly unlikely to appear in any real context in Andromeda.

[BabyPuncher]

That raises as many questions as it answers and makes the ending look even worse.

 

The aliens not being hyper-advanced is a serious problem, though, that I really don't see a lot of great solutions to. Or any, really.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's if they were curious about the other galaxy, but I always got the feeling that they were so single-minded in their attempts to harvest the galaxy that they didn't consider that. I mean they didn't consider merging organic life so they can't be that smart

Yes they did. The Catalyst has said that they've tried a similar solution to Synthesis in the past, but it has always failed. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That raises as many questions as it answers and makes the ending look even worse.

How so? 

[KaiserShep]

Machines do not die over time, they can theoretically live forever (as shown in the case of Harbinger existing since the dawn of the Reapers), so would have no need to 'spread to survive'.

 

See, with the relays and Citadel, I could always just say "Keepers keep em running" to account for all this paleotech just being able to withstand the test of time over a span of tens of thousands of years, but I always found this eternal machine business a bit of a crock that's just a handy way to turn artificial beings into weird mechanical gods. Heck, even the most solid machinery begins to show signs of decay after just a few years of solid use. All machines inevitably fail. It's only a matter of when. 

[BabyPuncher]

Off the top of my dead, if the Reapers are focused on more than just the Milky Way, it makes the ending somewhat pointless. Why are the Reapers willing to end the 'cycle' if the other galaxies aren't ready yet?

[BabyPuncher]

See, with the relays and Citadel, I could always just say "Keepers keep em running" to account for all this paleotech just being able to withstand the test of time over a span of tens of thousands of years, but I always found this eternal machine business a bit of a crock that's just a handy way to turn artificial beings into weird mechanical gods. Heck, even the most solid machinery begins to show signs of decay after just a few years of solid use. All machines inevitably fail. It's only a matter of when. 

 

I hardly think that the concept of self-maintaining machines is that outrageous in this setting.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Off the top of my dead, if the Reapers are focused on more than just the Milky Way, it makes the ending somewhat pointless. Why are the Reapers willing to end the 'cycle' if the other galaxies aren't ready yet?

Well,

Destroy: They are dead so their views don't matter. 

Control: Shepard is the new boss so their views don't matter. 

Synthesis: They know how to achieve the solution they've been looking for.

Refuse: They are busy harvesting for at least a few centuries. 

[BabyPuncher]

The question is why the Catalyst allowed Shepard to take any of the options ending the cycle at all if there's other galaxies to consider.

[dreamgazer]

The question is why the Catalyst allowed Shepard to take any of the options ending the cycle at all if there's other galaxies to consider.

Why would they continue now that they have proof their solution won't work anymore? That's what the Catalyst tells Shepard. That logic doesn't apply to just the Milky Way. Unless, of course, Shepard refuses and proves organic life really isn't ready.

Either way, it's on the Crucible builders' shoulders now if they decided to wipe out the Reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would they continue now that they have proof their solution won't work anymore? That's what the Catalyst tells Shepard. That logic doesn't apply to just the Milky Way. Unless, of course, Shepard refuses and proves organic life really isn't ready.

Either way, it's on the Crucible builders' shoulders now if they decided to wipe out the Reapers.

Yep. To use Halo lore as a comparison, our cycle would be taking the Mantle of Responsibility from the Reapers. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Yes they did. The Catalyst has said that they've tried a similar solution to Synthesis in the past, but it has always failed. 

And yet a bunch of primitives were able to make it happen....