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[Hanako Ikezawa]

And yet a bunch of primitives were able to make it happen....

Remember, humanity is in this cycle. And if there is one thing this franchise has taught us, it's that humanity is Superspecialawesome!

[BabyPuncher]

The civilizations of the Milky Way have never interacted or communicated with other galaxies. Why would it apply?

 

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This whole thing is a stupid mess I don't feel like trying to slog through. I don't even know what the Catalyst was refering to as the 'proof' the cycle won't work.

[ElitePinecone]

Off the top of my dead, if the Reapers are focused on more than just the Milky Way, it makes the ending somewhat pointless. Why are the Reapers willing to end the 'cycle' if the other galaxies aren't ready yet?

Yes, this is also a good point.

The Reapers need to be confined to the Milky Way in order for ME3's ending to make (some sort of) sense, and so that players can feel like we dealt with the problem once and for all.

Revealing that there are dozens more Reaper fleets out there makes the resolution of Shepard's trilogy rather less epic, doesn't it?

[Danny Boy 7]

Remember, humanity is in this cycle. And if there is one thing this franchise has taught us, it's that humanity is Superspecialawesome!

Yeah, but that's my point. Despite their incredibly vast knowledge base they don't have solutions for everything, they can develop them when they're introduced to the idea, but coming up with a solution is still difficult even for them. They can fail, which makes them fallible and as such the possibility that they didn't consider going to another galaxy or really anything isn't that far fetched. Something that's a bit of a pointless question, but one you could introduce is that if the Reapers wanted to protect organics from synthetics why not keep each race from the technological point where we could? Like get us to the point where we can live peacefully, but not create synthetic life.

[Danny Boy 7]

Yes, this is also a good point.

The Reapers need to be confined to the Milky Way in order for ME3's ending to make (some sort of) sense, and so that players can feel like we dealt with the problem once and for all.

Revealing that there are dozens more Reaper fleets out there makes the resolution of Shepard's trilogy rather less epic, doesn't it?

I think it makes the entire trilogy pointless.

[ElitePinecone]

Agreed.

Even if it were plausible in-universe, it makes zero sense to continue with the Reaper storyline in the new game, which is why they're not going to do it.

There'll be something entirely new, which is fine by me.

[dreamgazer]

Revealing that there are dozens more Reaper fleets out there makes the resolution of Shepard's trilogy rather less epic, doesn't it?

Why would there be dozens of Reaper fleets out there? Same Reaper fleet, only they divide their time between galaxies instead of sitting on their asses for 50,000 years.

The civilizations of the Milky Way have never interacted or communicated with other galaxies. Why would it apply?

What does communicating with other galaxies have to do with it? The solution no longer works for organic life, full-stop.

This whole thing is a stupid mess I don't feel like trying to slog through. I don't even know what the Catalyst was refering to as the 'proof' the cycle won't work.

What's there to understand? Shepard got the Crucible to the Citadel, proving organics were resourceful enough to thwart their reign. They did it once, and they'll do it again.

[dreamgazer]

I think it makes the entire trilogy pointless.

Why's that? Shepard and Co. not only saved the galaxy from the Reapers, they saved the universe. Sounds pretty sweet to me.

[BabyPuncher]

That explanation is full of gaping holes.

[dreamgazer]

That explanation is full of gaping holes.

K.

[Avilan II]

Bingo.

But why would Bioware cater to completely unsupported fanon? Because that´s what it is?

[dreamgazer]

But why would Bioware cater to completely unsupported fanon? Because that´s what it is?

Because they're gonna need to answer some questions if they end up using Reaper tech to get to Andromeda.

[Snorka]

In the lore ME3 gives us, a trip to Andromeda is at most, 571 years. With reaper FTL it's 230 years, also its entirety plausible, and in fact probable, that the reapers were in Andromeda too. They are millions of years old, go to the Milky Way every 50,000 years and Andromeda would take them 230 years. Those parameters are set in the first trilogy. The council species taking the 571 year long trip, or them finding a short cut based on reaper tech both seem plausible to me in this Mass Effect universe.

Forget Reaper FTL, with Bioware tech the trip to Andromeda could only take 18 months.

[Avilan II]

Because they're gonna need to answer some questions if they end up using Reaper tech to get to Andromeda.

 

No, they don't.

You are just convinced that A follows B, when it doesn't. There is ZERO proof of it.

[Danny Boy 7]

Why would there be dozens of Reaper fleets out there? Same Reaper fleet, only they divide their time between galaxies instead of sitting on their asses for 50,000 years.


What does communicating with other galaxies have to do with it? The solution no longer works for organic life, full-stop.


What's there to understand? Shepard got the Crucible to the Citadel, proving organics were resourceful enough to thwart their reign. They did it once, and they'll do it again.

Because if they've been doing what they do in other galaxies than they'd be continually making more Reapers and at some point they'd have to return to the MW and yet still keep invading more and more galaxies and THAN on top of that have to re-invade those galaxies when the next cycle of Organic life cropped up. So for efficiency's sake they'd split up their fleets to deal with each galaxy or at the very least deal with a group of galaxies.

[BabyPuncher]

I'm trying to think of other long stories that have had this kind of overarching threat definitely solved with the story continuing. It's done, it's over, it doesn't appear anymore, the problem is solved. And I can't think of any. The Borg never die. The Sith never die.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, this is also a good point.

The Reapers need to be confined to the Milky Way in order for ME3's ending to make (some sort of) sense, and so that players can feel like we dealt with the problem once and for all.

Revealing that there are dozens more Reaper fleets out there makes the resolution of Shepard's trilogy rather less epic, doesn't it?

Simple. The entire fleet travels together to maximize the efficiency of the harvests. Thus the entire fleet was in the Milky Way and thus won't show up again. 

 

Who says they have to reveal it? All they would reveal is that Reapers have been to past galaxies, and even then only indirectly by having Reaper technology ie The Mass Relays there and the Andromedians at an equal level to us technology-wise. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Why's that? Shepard and Co. not only saved the galaxy from the Reapers, they saved the universe. Sounds pretty sweet to me.

They saved it from the MW Reapers, there are possibly an endless amount of extra Reapers ready to go. The only reason why it's remotely possible for the Reapers to be defeated with conventional means is that there is a finite amount of them otherwise when they swarm they have a billion years worth of Reapers numbers to swarm each planet.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Something that's a bit of a pointless question, but one you could introduce is that if the Reapers wanted to protect organics from synthetics why not keep each race from the technological point where we could? Like get us to the point where we can live peacefully, but not create synthetic life.

Because just looking at our own history, organic life is not at that peaceful point before the development of synthetic life. 

 

They saved it from the MW Reapers, there are possibly an endless amount of extra Reapers ready to go. The only reason why it's remotely possible for the Reapers to be defeated with conventional means is that there is a finite amount of them otherwise when they swarm they have a billion years worth of Reapers numbers to swarm each planet.

They can't be defeated by conventional means. An individual Reaper can, but not them as a whole. We had to use unconventional means to defeat them. 

 

And they do have that many: "Our numbers will darken the sky of every world." 

[SardaukarElite]

I'm trying to think of other long stories that have had this kind of overarching threat definitely solved with the story continuing. It's done, it's over, it doesn't appear anymore, the problem is solved. And I can't think of any. The Borg never die. The Sith never die.

 

Halo's Flood are apparently gone. But generally it seems fictional worlds are written to be static.

[dreamgazer]

They saved it from the MW Reapers, there are possibly an endless amount of extra Reapers ready to go. The only reason why it's remotely possible for the Reapers to be defeated with conventional means is that there is a finite amount of them otherwise when they swarm they have a billion years worth of Reapers numbers to swarm each planet.

They were never able to be defeated by conventional means.

Same logic applies whether the Reapers are isolated to the Milky Way or not. There could always be reserves tucked away if needed. Only thing that matters to the narrative is that they were all involved in the Milky Way harvest, and thus were within the Crucible's radius.

[Danny Boy 7]

Because just looking at our own history, organic life is not at that peaceful point before the development of synthetic life. 

 

They can't be defeated by conventional means. An individual Reaper can, but not them as a whole. We had to use unconventional means to defeat them. 

 

And they do have that many: "Our numbers will darken the sky of every world." 

1. But the source of their programming/the reason they were created was because organic life kept creating synthetic life that would advance to the point that it would then turn on their creators. The Catalyst was created to prevent this, the reason synthesis is the perfect ending is because organics and synthetics no longer had a reason to kill each other. Sooo remove the possibility of organics creating synthetic life and bingo no more issues.

 

2. But that's what I mean we were able to deal with groups of individual reapers. If at every planet there are thousands of reapers not just maybe a hundred or a couple dozen than the probability of us even remotely fighting them off (which we were doing in some cases) goes down to absolutely zero because we wouldn't even make it to the surface.

 

3. That's just pretty language. They could have just as easily said. There are 100000000000000000000000000000000 of us.

[UKStory135]

Is that 571 years relative to the crew on the ship? or is it relative to the people in the Milkyway?

In the lore of Mass Effect, time dilation is negated because while the ship travels fast, the passengers stay at the same time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

2. But that's what I mean we were able to deal with groups of individual reapers. If at every planet there are thousands of reapers not just maybe a hundred or a couple dozen than the probability of us even remotely fighting them off (which we were doing in some cases) goes down to absolutely zero because we wouldn't even make it to the surface.

 

3. That's just pretty language. They could have just as easily said. There are 100000000000000000000000000000000 of us.

No we weren't. The only time we ever won it was when there was one Reaper, and even then it was almost always the small Reaper Destroyers and almost always unconventional in nature. Every time there was even two Reapers or more, we lost. Other than when we use the Crucible of course, but that isn't conventional warfare. 

 

What's your point? Whether they waxed poetic or were to the point, they were saying they had Reapers beyond counting in their fleet. 

[UKStory135]

No, they don't.
You are just convinced that A follows B, when it doesn't. There is ZERO proof of it.

Honestly, I'd be more concerned why there isn't reaper tech if it didn't exist there. They are millions of years old, at the start of ME3 at most 230 years away, based on the reaper speed stated by the codex.