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[dfjdejulio]

You can easily make the journey in a human lifetime if you do not decelerate, but continue past Andromeda at a relativistic velocity that high. So deceleration is necessary.

 

Can you use mass effect fields for the deceleration?  (Maybe for the acceleration too?)

 

If I correctly understand the combination of real-life and make-believe physics here, you don't (necessarily) have to accelerate using non-mass-effect technology to get time dilation, as long as you can turn the fields off for the bulk of the actual travel.

 

So, instead of using the type of mass effect technology conventionally used for star drives, use the kind conventionally used for guns (which fling the sliver out of the weapon at high speed and then "let go" of it).

[Iakus]

It's going to be as silly as the nonsense that a neutron has magic space bending powers. You can't ask for anything coherent on the science side in Mass Effect. It's just barking up the wrong mass relay. 

it doesn't have to be hard science.  It does, however, have to be internally consistent.  If the magic can do X but can't do Y, and yet is suddenly doing Y, there better be a good, consistent explanation that doesn't sound like it got pulled out of anybody's @$$

[Kabooooom]

Can you use mass effect fields for the deceleration? (Maybe for the acceleration too?)

If I correctly understand the combination of real-life and make-believe physics here, you don't (necessarily) have to accelerate using non-mass-effect technology to get time dilation, as long as you can turn the fields off for the bulk of the actual travel.

So, instead of using the type of mass effect technology conventionally used for star drives, use the kind conventionally used for guns (which fling the sliver out of the weapon at high speed and then "let go" of it).

Actually, there was a discussion in another thread that I was participating in about the gun thing - weapons, as they are described in the lore, cannot actually work with how the mass effect is described to work. Once you shut the field off or you exit the field, you decelerate to slower than the speed of light in a vacuum and radiate massive amounts of energy.

Unfortunately, if they want to make a relativistic journey in the matter that I calculated, they would have to do it the old fashioned way.

It is fascinating though, isn't it? Our real life laws of physics technically allow for a human being to fly to Andromeda within a lifetime, while back on Earth over 2.5 million years will have passed. That is extraordinary.

And if you got to Andromeda and said "meh, this kind of sucks" and turned around and went back to Earth in the same manner, when you reached Earth you would be elderly, but you would gaze upon a world that was five million years into the future from when you left.

[mopotter]

As long as it is idle fun speculation I see no harm in it.. after all there doesn't seem to much else to do at the moment.

Yes.  It's interesting to see all of the different subjects, very few if any, based on facts. 

 

This one almost makes me interested in more science.  

[Halfdan The Menace]

Space magic, you'll never know.

[fchopin]

Personally I think the new game Mass Effect Andromeda will begin with us already in the Andromeda galaxy so we will only be getting a few samples of why we came to a new galaxy.

 

One possibility is we found a new advanced technology of a species from the Andromeda galaxy and used that to get to Andromeda. Obviously the new species will be an important subject and hope they don't use to much magic for explanations.

[AlleyD]

The idea I was playing around with tying together the events depicted in the original trilogy ending and having species  from this galaxy cycle existing in the Andromeda galaxy is based in the concept of unintended and unforeseen consequence 

 

That one unintended consequence of the Crucible's deployment being that the energy wave acted like the acceleration and propulsion effects of a relay; but on a massively amplified and uncontrolled scale,  and the ship's escaping the Sol system are captured and catapulted by this wave far further than was possible within the energy constraints of a single relay connection and without direction. A one way trip into the unknown for a lost fleet with a massive population of MW species and ME technology.

[N7Jamaican]

Ark theory or wormhole theory.  It's either/or at this point.  Many people are learning towards Ark.  There's more theories, speculation, and a lot of convincing arguments that Ark is the way to go.

[Sci Guy]

So I posted my own theory in a new thread because I didn't see this one. I haven't seen this idea floated here (I promise I searched) so I'll post it here where people are interested in this question and can discuss my hypothesis's merits (or lack of them) if they want too.

 

As I see it, getting to Andromeda is only half the issue. The Disk of Andromeda (~220 ly across) is as much twice the diameter of the Milky Way (100-180ly), so it has approximately 4 times the area. It has roughly the same mass, so there would be approximately the same number of stars, but they would be spread out thinner. It is possible, given the error bars on the numbers involved, the density may be similar, or possibly higher.

A lot of people in this thread seem to agree that mass relays in Andromeda are unlikely. Without relays, exploring even a small portion of Andromeda would take decades, assuming you didn't ever return to some sort of home base. Previous Mass Effect games have taken place in the time span of a few months each. Even assuming a huge improvement on current mass effect drives, it would still be several years to get from one side of the galaxy to the other, without detouring around the center. This seems impractical both from a "realistic" standpoint and from the perspective of game play.

 

Instead, I propose something else. There seems to be a taboo of studying the Citadel and Relays, which I think might be a very very subtle indoctrination, which could be broken or turned off in the endings. If the secret of the advanced FTL the relays use was discovered, it could be harnessed to build new relays. Everyone, in universe and out, assumes there needs to be a "transmitting" and "receiving" relay for the FTL to work, but we don't *know* that. The reapers don't seem to be very innovative, and the point to point network is perfect for their plan, no one will go off the rails. So, hypothetically, a "Mass Effect Relay Drive" could be a possibility, enabling the FTL speeds of the relays, without requiring a pre-existing relay network . Developing this would of course likely take at least a few decades, possibly a century or more. This would enable not only a much more reasonable trip to Andromeda, but also allow rapid movement within Andromeda itself. In fact, this could even permit return trips to the Milky Way.

 

I also would like to point out that Matriarch Aethyta proposed studying the Relays and even building new ones. She also hinted Benezia was in agreement on the what, if not the how of this. Liara might decide to use here influence and resources as Shadow Broker to carry the torch of this research in her parent's memory. So if the scenario I'm proposing is correct, I think there is a decent chance Liara may show up, at least in the backstory. As a Liara fan, this makes me happy.

 

A lot of people are suggest that the humans+ other Milky Way species left before ME3 on a stasis/generational ship. I like this because it sidesteps the endings and their consequences on the future. This may very well be correct, but still, it also means that a lot of Sheppard's story is no longer important, and also feels like a something of a cop out. Additionally, this does not help with my first point about travel within Andromeda.

[Iakus]

The question then becomes, why didn't the Reapers do this millions of years ago?

[Giubba]

The question then becomes, why didn't the Reapers do this millions of years ago?

 

Because they are AI programmed to deal with a problem focused on the galaxy were the Leviathans inhabited.

[Han Shot First]

The question then becomes, why didn't the Reapers do this millions of years ago?

 

They may have.

 

It could turn out the Reapers were limiting the development of Andromedan civilizations as well, and perhaps that is why the Remnant became the Remnant.

[LiL Reapur]

I would think Noveria would be better.  Parassini mentions people are showing an interest in dark energy in ME2 and it would help justify Cerberus interest in the place in ME3.  In addition, Noveria has a reputation of being a place where off the books experiments are run (see Rachni)

 

Noveria also opens up the possibility that these dark energy anomalies were being investigated before the Reaper invasion.  Which would more neatly answer the question of "Why are we sinking resources into a purely theoretical project while we're fighting for our survival?" question.  It's already been going on for years.  But now there's a time crunch.

 

It still doesn't answer the question of how can we move so many people in secret, or why the Reapers never bothered with this, 

 

Although, maybe this all took place before the Reapers ever invaded.  An experiment gone awry.  A secret project to find a way to cross systems without a relay via wormholes.  Something goes wrong, a bunch of ships maybe even a planetary base vanish and are presumed dead.  The whole project is covered up and abandoned.   The survivors find themselves in another galaxy and never hear about the Reapers?

 

You just effectively separated the endings and Andromeda perfectly.  You and Chris' combined theories just gave a very VERY possible link to Andromeda that isn't space magical at all. I would definitely ship this.

[Iakus]

Because they are AI programmed to deal with a problem focused on the galaxy were the Leviathans inhabited.

Nothing we have heard limits their mandate to just this galaxy.  They are searching for a "solution" and that solution may well exist outside the Milky Way.  SO why wouldn't they expand further if they could?

 

They may have.

 

It could turn out the Reapers were limiting the development of Andromedan civilizations as well, and perhaps that is why the Remnant became the Remnant.

 

It could be, but I get the feeling that more Reapers would not be received well, however logical it might be.

[Iakus]

You just effectively separated the endings and Andromeda perfectly.  You and Chris' combined theories just gave a very VERY possible link to Andromeda that isn't space magical at all. I would definitely ship this.

Which of course means it will never be used 

[Giubba]

Nothing we have heard limits their mandate to just this galaxy.  They are searching for a "solution" and that solution may well exist outside the Milky Way.  SO why wouldn't they expand further if they could?

 

 

It could be, but I get the feeling that more Reapers would not be received well, however logical it might be.

 

False.

They searched (past because the solution was found milions of years ago and that solution was the endless cycle of reaping and recivilization of the galaxy )for a solution that happen in the milky way where those who programmed the core ai that support  the reaper system lived.

The Leviathan were threaded in their galaxy, in their empire they haven't any kind of contact with other galaxy and so they didn't put another galaxy in the equation for finding a solution, nor the reaper mission was extended to something outside the area of interest of the leviathan race

[Dean_the_Young]

False.

They searched (past because the solution was found milions of years ago and that solution was the endless cycle of reaping and recivilization of the galaxy )for a solution that happen in the milky way where those who programmed the core ai that support  the reaper system lived.

The Leviathan were threaded in their galaxy, in their empire they haven't any kind of contact with other galaxy and so they didn't put another galaxy in the equation for finding a solution, nor the reaper mission was extended to something outside the area of interest of the leviathan race

 

Citation needed. Actually, citation false: the Catalyst doesn't consider the Cycle a solution to the problem. It's a stop-gap measure until an actual solution (synthesis) is found.

 

The problem isn't even 'if synthetics rise up within the milky way'- it's broader, and the Catalyst never limits it to borders (or its mandate of concern) to one galaxy in particular. Synthetics rising up and outpacing organics in another galaxy and coming over to the Milky Way is just as much a failure.

[Ghostknob]

They also sort of left a wide berth for this entire game when they explained how we had barely scratched the surface of the available Prothean data in the Mars archives. It would be safe to assume there were more archives such as this and perhaps they were studied more thoroughly. Perhaps even Vigil was data mined and the results were kept secret. My money would be on the story centering around colony ships being launched either after part 2 or after the fall of Thesia. Also the asari councilors comment about "continuation of the species" after the fall of Thesia has been sticking out in my mind a lot more lately.

[Iakus]

False.

They searched (past because the solution was found milions of years ago and that solution was the endless cycle of reaping and recivilization of the galaxy )for a solution that happen in the milky way where those who programmed the core ai that support  the reaper system lived.

The Leviathan were threaded in their galaxy, in their empire they haven't any kind of contact with other galaxy and so they didn't put another galaxy in the equation for finding a solution, nor the reaper mission was extended to something outside the area of interest of the leviathan race

Their mandate is to preserve life at any cost.  No limits there. 

 

In addition, nothing is stopping synthetic life from advancing in other galaxies, destroying organics, and continuing to advance until they can spread to other galaxies and destroy all life here as well.  Potentially even including the Reapers if they became advanced enough.

[Giubba]

Citation needed. Actually, citation false: the Catalyst doesn't consider the Cycle a solution to the problem. It's a stop-gap measure until an actual solution (synthesis) is found.

False again.
The catalyst cleary state that the reaping was the solution the addition of the crucible added a new factor that opened a different solution.

The problem isn't even 'if synthetics rise up within the milky way'- it's broader, and the Catalyst never limits it to borders (or its mandate of concern) to one galaxy in particular. Synthetics rising up and outpacing organics in another galaxy and coming over to the Milky Way is just as much a failure.

 
No the problem is exactly that.
Leviathan lived in the milky way, the first shittorm with artifical happened in the milky way, the solution to this problem mattered to the leviathan, the leviathan created the AI that became the catalyst for the sole purpose of the leviathan race. So untill information about multi galaxy leviathan empire is given the solution seeked by the catalyst regarded the "space" that mattered to the leviathan

[Giubba]

Their mandate is to preserve life at any cost.  No limits there.

false again

Their mandate is preserve leviathan life, or do the leviathan strike you as the humanitarian kind? They programmed the AI with the sole purpose of preserving their interest .
 

In addition, nothing is stopping synthetic life from advancing in other galaxies, destroying organics, and continuing to advance until they can spread to other galaxies and destroy all life here as well.  Potentially even including the Reapers if they became advanced enough.

Outside of the zone of the original algoritm so ininfluent.

[LiL Reapur]

 

A lot of people are suggest that the humans+ other Milky Way species left before ME3 on a stasis/generational ship. I like this because it sidesteps the endings and their consequences on the future. it also means that a lot of Sheppard's story is no longer important, and also feels like a something of a cop out. 

 I agree with everything but the bold text, while you are correct that it would tippy-toe the endings outright. This method also gives leeway to mention Shepard in some way shape or form, since (Think about it) they may leave before ME3 but after ME2. Shepard by that time has already made his/her mark in the milky way given how so many NPCs from 1 and especially 2 say "Commander Shepard" before you even introduce yourself. So i highly doubt if anyone from the milky way made it to the Andromeda galaxy (especially that N7 guy in the trailer) knows full well about the legacy of commander Shepard. BUT they won't know what happened back in the milky way afterwards, so they can just give us that "No one knows what happened" crap

[LiL Reapur]

My money would be on the story centering around colony ships being launched either after part 2 or after the fall of Thesia. Also the asari councilors comment about "continuation of the species" after the fall of Thesia has been sticking out in my mind a lot more lately.

Nice theory that could work...

[Iakus]

false again

Their mandate is preserve leviathan life, or do the leviathan strike you as the humanitarian kind? They programmed the AI with the sole purpose of preserving their interest .
 

No, the mandate was all organic life.  That was their interest:  "Tribute does not flow from a dead race"

 

 

Outside of the zone of the original algoritm so ininfluent.

 

"Preserve life at any cost" the Leviathans' own words.

[Iakus]

Nice theory that could work...

 

FTL drives as of ME3 can't run for more than fifty hours or so without discharging enough static electricity intot he ship to fry the crew, blow out electronics and even fuse bulkheads.  Given it would take over two hundred years even at Reaper speeds, and the lack of planetary bodies to safely discharge into in dark space.  I'm afraid it's unlikely.