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[In Exile]

They are the most advanced race ever.  They killed everyone else before they could get close.

 

And no they don't posses all technology. But they possessed the most advanced tech around by a wide margin.  So how is humanity going to surpass their engine technology in what, a few centuries?  Or worse, while at war with them?

 

They aren't the most advance race ever. That's just complete nonsense. They killed the race that spawned them, and generally killed everyone off in the Milky Way. But it's absolute nonsense to say (1) that there wasn't a more advcaced precusor that died before the Leviathans and (2) that the most advanced race in the Milky Way is the most advanced race anywhere. 

 

And why are you hung up on humanity surpassing them? As people have, repeatedly, said, different precusor aliens. Problem solved. 

 

I just don't get why you're really hung up on this.

[Maniccc]

It's Bioware, the answer is always space magic.

[Iakus]

The answer can't be: we just discover ancient tech of a different long dead civilization? 

If you want to go the total contrivance route, sure.  Since again, why don't the Reapers have it?  Or heck, how come this civilization didn't defeat or escape the Reapers (and thus not be dead?)  Or if that civilization is still around, why aren't they like the New Leviathans and living as god-kings somewhere?

[Saul Iscariot]

True, but at this point it is all speculation. Sorry, that was in reference to your comment about their mandate.

[Il Divo]

They aren't the most advance race ever. That's just complete nonsense. They killed the race that spawned them, and generally killed everyone off in the Milky Way. But it's absolute nonsense to say (1) that there wasn't a more advcaced precusor that died before the Leviathans and (2) that the most advanced race in the Milky Way is the most advanced race anywhere. 

 

And why are you hung up on humanity surpassing them? As people have, repeatedly, said, different precusor aliens. Problem solved. 

 

I just don't get why you're really hung up on this.

 

Even if we give a pass to the "Reapers use the tech to escape Milky Way" theory, it's also possible that said alternative super advanced alien species may have just dealt with them like they were nothing, if still around. 

[In Exile]

If you want to go the total contrivance route, sure.  Since again, why don't the Reapers have it?  Or heck, how come this civilization didn't defeat or escape the Reapers (and thus not be dead?)  Or if that civilization is still around, why aren't they like the New Leviathans and living as god-kings somewhere?

 

I don't even... how are mass relays not a total contrivance for the sake of the plot existing? And why would the reapers have them?

 

Andromeda [insert random species of precursors] X were intergalactic explorers. They build some [travel device] when they explored the Milky Way. Then they left. BOOM. Problem solved. 

[Maniccc]

This topic just underscores what I've been saying..the whole Andromeda thing is nonsensical.  Only a fanboy can support it, since supporting it requires the total abandonment of reason.

[Britishpride]

Cross species sleeper ships escaping the reaper invasion from the milky way sounds valid although that doesn't explain how N7 agents end up going as well unless the sleeper ships are government backed (for example the Citadel Council puts together an expedition as a fall back plan if the reaper invasion succeeds) or they have gone rogue and run away with an escaping group of refugees.

Wormholes, or new ftl/ mass relay capability are just as valid if the setting is may years after the events in ME3 as this allows time for research and investigation.

Until bioware gives us more information, then we won't know. 

[Iakus]

They aren't the most advance race ever. That's just complete nonsense. They killed the race that spawned them, and generally killed everyone off in the Milky Way. But it's absolute nonsense to say (1) that there wasn't a more advcaced precusor that died before the Leviathans and (2) that the most advanced race in the Milky Way is the most advanced race anywhere. 

 

And why are you hung up on humanity surpassing them? As people have, repeatedly, said, different precusor aliens. Problem solved. 

 

I just don't get why you're really hung up on this.

So now we're looking at technology who's remnants would be more than a billion years old?  My brain hurts just thinking about it.

 

Okay, something from outside the galaxy at least has a whiff of plausibility.  But again, why didn't this race end up running afoul of the Reapers themselves?  And why did they leave their tech lying around where the hairless monkeys could find it? (but Reapers couldn't)

 

And I'm hung up on humanity because the player character in ME:A is human.

[Il Divo]

If you want to go the total contrivance route, sure.  Since again, why don't the Reapers have it?  Or heck, how come this civilization didn't defeat or escape the Reapers (and thus not be dead?)  Or if that civilization is still around, why aren't they like the New Leviathans and living as god-kings somewhere?

 

If we just found it, why would the Reapers have it? 

 

ME, throughout all 3 games, has made it very clear that they're not exactly effective at covering their tracks. Much as I hate the Catalyst, it's part of the reason why he admits that his solution can't work forever b/c inevitably the secret gets out. 

 

Whatever the technology, however we discover it, I don't find it any more contrived than Prothean Beacons, the Cipher, Leviathan of Dis, etc. 

 

The solution doesn't even require that this alternative race have encountered the Reapers, as they could be dead long before the Reapers themselves with said bit of tech being only evidence they ever existed here. Call it a scouting party into this galaxy, if we like. 

[Iakus]

I don't even... how are mass relays not a total contrivance for the sake of the plot existing? And why would the reapers have them?

 

Andromeda [insert random species of precursors] X were intergalactic explorers. They build some [travel device] when they explored the Milky Way. Then they left. BOOM. Problem solved. 

Mass relays and ftl set the rules for this world.  If there's something that goes beyond them, we need to understand why this is different.

 

Cross species sleeper ships escaping the reaper invasion from the milky way sounds valid although that doesn't explain how N7 agents end up going as well unless the sleeper ships are government backed (for example the Citadel Council puts together an expedition as a fall back plan if the reaper invasion succeeds) or they have gone rogue and run away with an escaping group of refugees.

Wormholes, or new ftl/ mass relay capability are just as valid if the setting is may years after the events in ME3 as this allows time for research and investigation.

Until bioware gives us more information, then we won't know. 

The problem is how sleeper ships can keep running for centuries without electrocuting the crew and drying the systems.  .

 

This actually makes wormholes more plausible.  Which...really says something.

[Steppenwolf]

Victory specifies that the bunker's sensors were damaged, making automated reawakening impossible.  Nothing about the power supply itself being damaged.

That VI specifically says the power is damaged. That's why it shuts off other pods to keep Javik's running.

Except that' not what we were told.
 
Their mandate is to preserve life.  Not "Milky Way life"  Whatever the cost.  And given the extremes they go to in fulfilling their mandate, I don't see them holding back to just this galaxy if they can spread further.

Everything about the Reapers and their mandate is stupid and nonsensical. You're trying to apply logic only where it suits your argument. You can't pick and choose like that without being intellectually dishonest.

[ElitePinecone]

The problem is how sleeper ships can keep running for centuries without electrocuting the crew and drying the systems.  .

 

Experiments with Reaper technology.

[Saul Iscariot]

This topic just underscores what I've been saying..the whole Andromeda thing is nonsensical.  Only a fanboy can support it, since supporting it requires the total abandonment of reason.

You do know that there are scientists alive today who have theorized means where we could travel from one galaxy to another? The only limitation at this moment is the lack of technology to see if it would be feasible. So if you see intergalactic travel as an abandonment of reason then what would you say to those people that we currently consider as our foremost fore thinkers? Presumably they only got into science to prove all the ME haters wrong because they have been indoctrinated or are Biodrones or whatever other trivial point you think makes you right?

[Il Divo]

That VI specifically says the power is damaged. That's why it shuts off other pods to keep Javik's running.


Everything about the Reapers and their mandate is stupid and nonsensical. You're trying to apply logic only where it suits your argument. You can't pick and choose like that without being intellectually dishonest.

 

I think that's also important to keep in mind here. We don't have any control over the parameters of how the Reapers hold to their mandate. You could argue "preserving life" could mean single celled organisms and the Reapers don't need to let us advance to the point of creating synthetics. 

 

All this to say: the Catalyst is a rogue AI and whether the Reapers would actually care about other systems is a coin flip. 

[Danny Boy 7]

True with Javik, though keep in mind that he was in a facility designed to keep a million stasis pods going, and there were only a fraction of them left  that ended up actually being used.

 

For Ilos it really was just a couple hundred years.  Vigil kept tabs on the harvest and awakened the survivors once the coast was clear.

Again that was over 50,000 years for Javik and the rest of his Prothy brothers and sisters. They also did something that's always bugged me...why didn't they periodically wake people up to recharge the batteries so to speak on the stasis pods? Presumably they only had a finite energy supply, but still you would think they didn't have to be asleep the entire time.

 

As for Ilos, I personally think it's because of the damage to the facility which was not insignificant. That and Vigil deemed it necessary for it to survive over the scientists probably because it would be impossible to sustain the Prothean race from there on (I think that was the justification.)

[Heimdall]

@Danny Boy 7

 

According to the VI, the automatic wakeup systems for the pods was broken, that's why we found him there.  Javik was only supposed to sleep for centuries.

[Danny Boy 7]

Except that' not what we were told.

 

Their mandate is to preserve life.  Not "Milky Way life"  Whatever the cost.  And given the extremes they go to in fulfilling their mandate, I don't see them holding back to just this galaxy if they can spread further.

Yes, but they're also machines, really intelligent machines, but their status as machines means that they would attempt to find the most efficient method possible. They would need to fully invade every galaxy with the possibility of life, set up an identical relay network and a Citadel  and then every fifty thousand years need to harvest life in each of these galaxies (which could go on forever I would like to point out) which doesn't even go into the specifics like either not having developed synthetic life in a particular galaxy or having already passed the Organic-Synthetic War with either side coming out of it okay. Hell...what if the Reapers came across a galaxy where Synthetics and Organics lived in harmony, what the HELL would that do to the Reaper's programming?

[Twilight_Princess]

Having the Normandy trapped in Andromeda would probably anger more people than it would please with the trip down memory lane. One of the major complaints about the endings prior to the EC, was that the Normandy and its crew appeared stranded on a remote garden world, while Shepard was trapped in the rubble on the Citadel. People though it depressing that the endings effectively ended the relationship Shepard had with any of the LIs aboard the Normandy, since with the relay network destroyed they'd never be reunited.

 

The Normandy being slingshotted to Andromeda would breathe life back into that old shitstorm. 

 

Good point, I remember the "but what will they eat!?!" panic the original endings induced. I suppose the only way that idea would work was if the crew, some how, found a way back but that begs the question though. Just how easy will access to Andromeda be for our new protagonist?  Will it be a one way wormhole situation? Cutting off our ability to ever go back to the Miliky Way (as a way to avoid the ME3 endings problem). Or will the new Mass Relay ability the new ships have mean we can jump to different galaxies but the process will take a 100 years in stasis or something? 

[In Exile]

I think that's also important to keep in mind here. We don't have any control over the parameters of how the Reapers hold to their mandate. You could argue "preserving life" could mean single celled organisms and the Reapers don't need to let us advance to the point of creating synthetics.

All this to say: the Catalyst is a rogue AI and whether the Reapers would actually care about other systems is a coin flip.

That's why the whole thing is nonsense. My intestinal fauna is "organic life". Just nuke everything in existence, put a bunch of intestines in tanks to keep them alive and boom. Hell, cancer cells are " organic" life.

[shepskisaac]

They are the most advanced race ever.  They killed everyone else before they could get close.

 

And no they don't posses all technology. But they possessed the most advanced tech around by a wide margin.  So how is humanity going to surpass their engine technology in what, a few centuries?  Or worse, while at war with them?

Tech developement can accelerate rapidly during war precisely because of the increased pressure to win/survive. Look at WW2.

[UKStory135]

From what I read in Mass Effect, non-reaper ships can go about 0.5 llight-years per hour. At that rate, it would take about 570 years to reach Andromeda. If this is hundreds of years in the future, it's not a whole lot bigger stretch than any of the space magic in the first game, including FTL travel.

[shepskisaac]

It certinately is less of a stretch then freaking Project Lazarus. Still one of the biggest space magic moments in the series

[Cknarf]

Bruh. This is Mass Effect.  I ain't even gonna try to make any sense of it.

[The Night Haunter]

Well all this thread has really accomplished is showing there are those who are willing to accept anything that Bioware gives them for science (nothing wrong with that, as this is fiction after all), and people who get hung up on the idea that they know everything about the ME universe despite the fact there are clearly unknowns all over the place.

 

I get that you guys don't like Andromeda, you want Milky Way, but guess what? What's done is done, and Andromeda is the name of the next game. Accept it and be happy, or reject it and be all grumpy. Personally I think this is the best thing Bioware could have done. They have a clean slate, and they get a story that has some great Battlestar Galactica feels to it. Win-Win.

 

Technology evolves over time, in times of war it takes great giant leaps as prohibitions are abandoned and oodles of money are thrown at scientists.