I generally enjoyed it as it felt like a return to form after the Animated Series departure in '99 -- It was written by Dini & Alan Burnett's, who also worked on both Beyond and the original series plus the tie-in to the Nolan films (Gotham Night). I found it quite well realized and entertaining, like a good celebration of the best iteration of Batman -- Namely the one Timm & Dini brought to life with the 90s cartoon.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Obviously, I placed it below Mask of the Phantasm & Sub Zero, given how it's more or less played as a sequel to the former but doesn't push any envelopes in regards to anything larger, like character development/growth -- Zero reinvented Mr Freeze into this incredible character all of a sudden and Mask of the Phantasm added layers to Bruce Wayne and his struggles by introducing a worthy love story. The lame thing about modern comic book writer's is this attitude that superheroes can't be married or live a happy life of love while fighting crime.. something that was said in regards to rewriting Barry Allen's character. I found that quite dumb. I don't read comics more though but I couldn't help but add my feelings to it.
It's been a while since I've watched Mask of the Phantasm. Didn't that pretty much confirm that Bruce couldn't maintain a healthy love life while fighting crime?
Obviously, I placed it below Mask of the Phantasm & Sub Zero, given how it's more or less played as a sequel to the former but doesn't push any envelopes in regards to anything larger, like character development/growth -- Zero reinvented Mr Freeze into this incredible character all of a sudden and Mask of the Phantasm added layers to Bruce Wayne and his struggles by introducing a worthy love story. The lame thing about modern comic book writer's is this attitude that superheroes can't be married or live a happy life of love while fighting crime.. something that was said in regards to rewriting Barry Allen's character. I found that quite dumb. I don't read comics more though but I couldn't help but add my feelings to it.
That might be changing. Depends on how Spider-Man Renew your Vows does.
Hopefully well so Joe Quesada can stop making Spider-Man his 12 year old power fantasy.
1. Dark Knight Rises2. Batman Begins
3. The Dark Knight
I've reduced the list to three, since UtRH and MotP are animated films.
1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Begins
Same here, it has become a top two.
I wanted to change my avie to Dr. Doom. Thanks to this thread I'm gonna keep this mask for a while. Taking it off would be extremely painful!
I've reduced the list to three, since UtRH and MotP are animated films.
So Animation carries no merit?
Mask of the Phantasm was a Theatrical release too.
I feel like you're needlessly putting down a good film in favor of Nolans overrated works.
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As a movie fan first, I like the Nolan movies. In my opinion, they had better cinematography, underlying plot,performances and soundtrack overrall.
Dark knight rises is a joke of a movie though. Oh and for my opinion, here is a customary fedora.
There's been a somewhat understandable backlash against the Nolan films recently. Some of this has to do with the fact that they just aren't perfect films. I generally agree with the criticisms that Nolan is a sloppy shooter (here's a really good essay on Nolan's style), and that the dialogue in his films is kinda lame ("It's not who we are underneath, but what we do, that defines us"); a lot of times, characters will just come out and say what ideology they stand for, which, in addition to being clunky, violates the time-honored rule of "show, don't tell."
Still, I like the thematic ambition of his work, even with it being as heavy-handed as it is. He's not doing gritty and serious because he thinks it's cool; he's doing it because he has a take on the world and thinks that the darker style is the best way to get it across. Incidentally, this is what Nolan's emulators don't get about the Dark Knight trilogy, which leads to the other reason for the backlash: The legion of inferior imitators (see Snyder, Zack).
I like Burton's Batman well enough, but would caution against too much nostalgia--the film has flaws aplenty, from Batman being sidelined for much of his own movie to the dead-on-arrival romance between Wayne and Vicki Vale to Joker's shooting down the Batplane with a three foot long revolver. Even by the standards of heightened comic book reality, some elements of the film have not aged well.
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I like most of it about equally, except the old show and that CCA era of comics. And those movies after Burton, which are kind of the same as the old show.
The legion of inferior imitators (see Snyder, Zack).
Bite your goddamn tongue!
Best Superman movie to date.
Dark knight rises is a joke of a movie though.
A masterpiece Joke though.
And the upcoming movie Batman'n'Superman.
Thoughts? (I know it's too soon to throw crap and rotten tomato on it)
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I'm not all that excited about the new Supe/Batman.. but I'll watch it.
I like Ben Affleck, but not necessarily as Batman. Christian Bale at least kind of captured that hint of instability that Batman shares with all of his villains...
He is the ONLY well-known superhero (besides Tony Stark) that can hang with supers despite his lack of powers. This is achieved by sheer force of will & disciplinebatemang is overrated.
He is the ONLY well-known superhero (besides Tony Stark) that can hang with supers despite his lack of powers. This is achieved by sheer force of will & discipline
Your point is invalid
i disagree with batman as a concept. He tortures people and beats up the mentally ill while dressed as a giant bat. His power comes from money and his uncanny ability to have mastered dozens of multiple disciplines enough to be considered a master in them all before he hits his 30s. Hes a revenge power fantasy.
Your opinion is invalid.
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i disagree with batman as a concept. He tortures people and beats up the mentally ill while dressed as a giant bat. His power comes from money and his uncanny ability to have mastered dozens of multiple disciplines enough to be considered a master in them all before he hits his 30s. Hes a revenge power fantasy.
Your opinion is invalid.
It's true, but that's part of the character too. He's supposed to be questionable in some light. He's the "Dark" Knight.
There's always been a running theme that he's just as sick as the people he locks up in Arkham too. And the main guy who calls him out on it is the Joker. He sees a kindred spirit. Well, that, and Catwoman.
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