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Saul Iscariot

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Element zero FTL drives accumulate a static electrical charge when a vessel has been in FTL flight for some time. This charge steadily increases with the amount of time a vessel spends in FTL. Eventually, it must be discharged. This is a problem if you're thinking about intergalactic travel, because there is no place to discharge this energy in the empty space between galaxies.

The gap between galaxies is only relatively empty.



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The gap between galaxies is only relatively empty.

 

True. We know from physics that "empty" space isn't exactly empty.

 

I don't know if you have an argument, but let's get back to my argument. You need a planet or a star to discharge the static electrical charge. What are the chances you'll bump into a rouge star on your journey to Andromeda? Not just one star, but one star for each time you have to discharge?



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 Not just one star, but one star for each time you have to discharge?

Which is needed approximately every fifty hours on average



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This is a simple illustration of the concept:

 

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To be honest I don't know how they would reach Andromeda with ME3 level technology. The existence of wormholes could maybe solve this problem, but where did they obtain the knowledge on how to utilize wormholes in the first place? Did the Reapers have this knowledge? I hope not, because then they could probably be found in many other galaxies throughout the Universe.

 

There are limits on current technology that would make a trip to Andromeda impossible:

 

Element zero FTL drives accumulate a static electrical charge when a vessel has been in FTL flight for some time. This charge steadily increases with the amount of time a vessel spends in FTL. Eventually, it must be discharged. This is a problem if you're thinking about intergalactic travel, because there is no place to discharge this energy in the empty space between galaxies. 

It could be naturally formed.



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It would depend on what you find at the Reapers Relay in Dark Space first? We know that the Reapers didn't worry about the build up, so with the Reapers vessels and access to their Relay there are potentially ways around travelling such a distance. We can second guess it, but that serves little purpose. All I am saying is that intergalactic travel isn't outside of the realms of possibility in the ME universe.



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Which is needed approximately every fifty hours on average

 

Exactly. Not going to happen.



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It could be naturally formed.

A naturally occurring wormhole would likely be very unstable.

 

Do we really want to play a scifi version of Giligan's Island?



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A naturally occurring wormhole would likely be very unstable.

 

Do we really want to play a scifi version of Giligan's Island?

Well, The fact that it's unstable is probably what stands the team in Andromeda - like it collapses after they go though.



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It would depend on what you find at the Reapers Relay in Dark Space first? We know that the Reapers didn't worry about the build up, so with the Reapers vessels and access to their Relay there are potentially ways around travelling such a distance. We can second guess it, but that serves little purpose. All I am saying is that intergalactic travel isn't outside of the realms of possibility in the ME universe.

Using the Dark Space relay would shave a few years off the trip (assuming it's even in the right direction to reach Andromeda) But we're talking centuries of travel, even with Reaper drives.

 

And Reapers do still build up an electrical charge.  The just seem capable of going longer without needing to discharge without being damaged.  But is that really any safer for the crew?



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Exactly. Not going to happen.

Using the information you are given from ME 1-3. All that is required is a plausible explanation as to how they have gotten around it. Then it is of no consequence. If you are going to say it has to obey the rules because progress in any way, shape or form is impossible then you have a real problem. If technological advancement is impossible then the ME universe has reached an insurmountable impasse.



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Also, the reapers had no reason to go to Andromeda - the citadel and the catalyst was in the milky way (Jesus I never imagined I would use those two things as a logic argument :()



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Using the information you are given from ME 1-3. All that is required is a plausible explanation as to how they have gotten around it. Then it is of no consequence. If you are going to say it has to obey the rules because progress in any way, shape or form is impossible then you have a real problem. If technological advancement is impossible then the ME universe has reached an insurmountable impasse.

 

Well, we're talking about a journey to Andromeda during the events of ME3 or before learning about the invasion. This is why I made the argument about current technology being insufficient. I don't know why we would go to Andromeda for any other reason than to escape the Reapers. We have 300 billion stars to explore in the Milky Way galaxy, so I guess we would've done that before risking a journey to Andromeda.


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But it has been stated the ME:A is set a long time after ME3, though no specific time frame has been mentioned. Why would you naturally assume it occurred prior or during ME 3? Even the OP mentions that it in the opening post.



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I have a feeling that the milky way species have been in Andromeda for several (human) generations before the (main) game begins. It would allow time to set up a few cities and colonies and establish a small industrial base and population. It will be interesting take to see the Asari so vulnerable because of their extended life and breeding cycle. I think that is largely why they have emphasized the time aspect. If it was simply separated by distance, they probably wouldn't need to mention it.


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I have a feeling that the milky way species have been in Andromeda for several (human) generations before the (main) game begins. It would allow time to set up a few cities and colonies and establish a small industrial base and population. It will be interesting take to see the Asari so vulnerable because of their extended life and breeding cycle. I think that is largely why they have emphasized the time aspect. If it was simply separated by distance, they probably wouldn't need to mention it.

Yeah, I mentioned that in the OP. Due to the time dilation of going through the wormhole, we (the PC) reach Andromeda several hundred years after we left. By that time the Milky Way civs found another way to get to Andromeda and have already set up some colonies. That way we get to see all the races from the previous trilogy in Andromeda without breaking lore or doing some silly ark stuff.



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Edit: Never mind.  I thought this was going to be a romance thread.


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Edit: Never mind.  I thought this was going to be a romance thread.

LOL. That's post of the day!!!



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But it has been stated the ME:A is set a long time after ME3, though no specific time frame has been mentioned. Why would you naturally assume it occurred prior or during ME 3? Even the OP mentions that it in the opening post.

 

I just gave you the reason in my previous post. I just don't understand why we would plot a course for another galaxy, when we haven't even explored 1% of our own Milky Way. Then I explained that the only reason to leave would be because we had to escape the Reapers.

 

The story takes place long after the events of ME3, but the journey to Andromeda will probably take a while, unless we're talking about a wormhole.



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Yeah, I mentioned that in the OP. Due to the time dilation of going through the wormhole, we (the PC) reach Andromeda several hundred years after we left. By that time the Milky Way civs found another way to get to Andromeda and have already set up some colonies. That way we get to see all the races from the previous trilogy in Andromeda without breaking lore or doing some silly ark stuff.


But, again, this removes the entire point of going to Andromeda. It also makes the PC's group look like idiots, but I'm OK with that part.

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But, again, this removes the entire point of going to Andromeda.

For all we know the people going to Andromeda could just be explorers.



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"We Interstellar now?!" - BioWare
 
Really, this is all it amounts to. Just how Casey wanted ME3 to be Deux Ex: Human Revolution IN SPACE, the ME:A dev team wants it to be Interstellar: The Mass Effect Edition.

Yeah, I mentioned that in the OP. Due to the time dilation of going through the wormhole, we (the PC) reach Andromeda several hundred years after we left. By that time the Milky Way civs found another way to get to Andromeda and have already set up some colonies. That way we get to see all the races from the previous trilogy in Andromeda without breaking lore or doing some silly ark stuff.

Wormhole travel doesn't cause time dilation because it doesn't involve near-light speed velocities. A wormhole is a shortcut through spacetime. The whole point of wormhole travel is to avoid time dilation.

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But, again, this removes the entire point of going to Andromeda.

How does it? If we originally were sent to explore Andromeda and then got "lost" in the wormhole, then that wouldn't negate the point of going to Andromeda.



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Does anyone know how long it would take to get to the Andromeda galaxy in real life, like say if we wanted to go now-how long would that take? Also, how long would it take in the Mass Effect universe with FTL travel??

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Does anyone know how long it would take to get to the Andromeda galaxy in real life, like say if we wanted to go now-how long would that take? Also, how long would it take in the Mass Effect universe with FTL travel??

At near-light speed: 2.5 million years.

At the speed of Helios II, the fastest spacecraft ever made: 10 billion years. (not accounting for the fact that the Milky Way and Andromeda will collide in 4 billion years)

At the speed of Mass Effect Non-Reaper FTL: 570 years.

At the speed of Mass Effect Reaper FTL: 228 years.

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Can I romance a wormhole? I think I want to.

 

Please keep your extremities out of the wormhole.