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#51
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At near-light speed: 2.5 million years.

At the speed of Helios II, the fastest spacecraft ever made: 10 billion years. (not accounting for the fact that the Milky Way and Andromeda will collide in 4 billion years)

At the speed of Mass Effect Non-Reaper FTL: 570 years.

At the speed of Mass Effect Reaper FTL: 228 years.

So if time dilation occurs after traversing the wormhole... we're looking at the game being set between 228-570 years after ME3?



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So if time dilation occurs after traversing the wormhole... we're looking at the game being set between 228-570 years after ME3?

Wormholes do not cause time dilation. Time dilation is caused exclusively by near-light speed velocities and near-infinite gravity. Wormholes involve neither.

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"We Interstellar now?!" - BioWare

Really, this is all it amounts to. Just how Casey wanted ME3 to be Deux Ex: Human Revolution IN SPACE, the ME:A dev team wants it to be Interstellar: The Mass Effect Edition.

Wormhole travel doesn't cause time dilation because it doesn't involve near-light speed velocities. A wormhole is a shortcut through spacetime. The whole point of wormhole travel is to avoid time dilation.

While technically true, like I said earlier - the OP's basic concept is correct: Wormholes can allow for travel through time as well as space, and this is a viable solution in general relativity. It makes intuitive sense too, as spacetime is a unified construct and the wormhole is an extreme example of warped spacetime. The basic concept involves creating a wormhole, and then accelerating one end of it (there are various ways to theoretically achieve this) such that the destination end experiences the effects of time dilation relative to the departure end. Consequently, the traveler traverses both space and time.

So, a traveller that traverses the Milky Way wormhole in the 2180s could arrive in Andromeda in the 3180s, while experiencing only a tiny fraction of travel time. In this fashion, the game could take place "both far into the future and far away in space", but ALL of the tech would be 2180s tech, or slightly more advanced, and thus present a familiar setting.

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While technically true, like I said earlier - the OP's basic concept is correct: Wormholes can allow for travel through time as well as space, and this is a viable solution in general relativity.

This only applies if one of the apertures of the wormhole experiences time dilation, i.e if you were to put the wormhole exit on a ship travelling near the speed of light while keeping the wormhole entrance stationary. If both the entrance and exit are stationary, the wormhole will not experience any time dilation and therefore not result in future time travel.

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This only applies if one of the apertures of the wormhole experiences time dilation, i.e if you were to put the wormhole exit on a ship travelling near the speed of light while keeping the wormhole entrance stationary. If both the entrance and exit are stationary, the wormhole will not experience any time dilation and therefore not result in future time travel.


Right...which is exactly what I said and elaborated upon in the parts of the post that you didn't quote. We aren't in disagreement. I was pointing out that the OP was technically correct that a wormhole could be used as a sort of time travel mechanism. The details are irrelevant for the overall plot purpose of it. I doubt many people here have taken a course in special or general relativity besides myself, maybe you, and a handful of others.

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It's better if the trip is unintentional. Otherwise what is stopping them going back or others coming through? I imagine they want to keep the galaxies isolated.

If it's done "conventionally", as in 200+ years journey, then another 200+ journey is a good reason to think twice before going right back



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If it's done "conventionally", as in 200+ years journey, then another 200+ journey is a good reason to think twice before going right back

No not really. If we, at our current level of technology, could send an unmanned probe that would make the round trip in 400 years, we would. There is also no reason the reapers wouldn't have. IMO if the writers really want to separate the galaxies it should be much, much more difficult to cross.



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Yeah and the round like thing is infact the targeting we see in the trailer.

Maybe those things were left behind by the people in leaks"the new protheans" . The thing through our ship travel.



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True. We know from physics that "empty" space isn't exactly empty.

 

I don't know if you have an argument, but let's get back to my argument. You need a planet or a star to discharge the static electrical charge. What are the chances you'll bump into a rouge star on your journey to Andromeda? Not just one star, but one star for each time you have to discharge?

Maybe the trailer  has an answer to this, listen the music when he travel through it, there is a gap between the moment he started the travel and when he reached his destination (in the music from the original track there is a 50 sec "something like that" or is just for the purpose of the trailer) , maybe this time the moments we travel will count( i don't think so) but will have to wait until N7 day to find out ...i hope



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Please keep your extremities out of the wormhole.

ha



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How does it? If we originally were sent to explore Andromeda and then got "lost" in the wormhole, then that wouldn't negate the point of going to Andromeda.


My bad for being unclear there. I meant the point of Bio moving the setting to Andromeda. Seriously, you didn't realize that the whole point of this is to duck out before the ending choices happen?

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I just gave you the reason in my previous post. I just don't understand why we would plot a course for another galaxy, when we haven't even explored 1% of our own Milky Way. Then I explained that the only reason to leave would be because we had to escape the Reapers.

 

The story takes place long after the events of ME3, but the journey to Andromeda will probably take a while, unless we're talking about a wormhole.

I might be a tad confused, but all I saw you say was it would not be possible with ME3 technology. At that point no one else had mentioned ME3 levels of technology, we just assumed that Bioware would explain it in the game. Just because you don't understand why they are in Andromeda does not mean that they don't have a good reason to go there. Your explanation that they are fleeing the Reapers is a valid one, but not the only one. It again hinges on your clinging to it being an event from around the time of ME3ish. 



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Ah wormholes, brings back memories....

 



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Ah wormholes, brings back memories....

https://www.youtube....h?v=DVfIbp-XYSE


Farscape ...the most underrated and awesome sci-fi show ever made. I approve.
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About the song... Was wondering if it comes from a built in radio (like fallout) because the volume gets twisted during the jump. It may be for the purpoes of the trailer or it may be an in game effect.
Whats your take on this?

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Cryostasis, just like Javik.

They launched between ME2 and 3 and then spent a very long time frozen to reach their destination. It's less convenient than pulling a wormhole out of nowhere.

Maybea millenia has passed while they were sleeping.... But it doesn't really matter, they are in a new galaxy so it's a mot Point.

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But it has been stated the ME:A is set a long time after ME3, though no specific time frame has been mentioned. Why would you naturally assume it occurred prior or during ME 3? Even the OP mentions that it in the opening post.

They've also mentioned that it's not technically a sequel which many have assumed means that the game starts prior to the end of ME3, but ends after.



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They've also mentioned that it's not technically a sequel which many have assumed means that the game starts prior to the end of ME3, but ends after.


If might start with your character making a name for themselvesin the milkyway, then they get picked for the ARK mission prior to the Reaper invasion, to ensure the survival of the different species of the milkyway.

I much prefer to Craft my own character rather than being told. Welcome to Superman the game, you can now play as well established Superman, enjoy!

Then they sleep in Cryostasis for a millenia, Javik sleept for 50 millenia...

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If it starts before the end of me3 then they have to take into account that the genophage might not be cured.

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If it starts before the end of me3 then they have to take into account that the genophage might not be cured.


I think anyone could cure it really, both Salarians and humans got very advanced biomedical Tech, the question is, do they want to?

In an ARK Project they just might... Unless they are still too afraid to let the Krogans loose on a new galaxy.
Mordin and that other Salarian does it in a very short time window. So, yeah, it's a question of, do we want to do it? Also, Mordin said it was wearing off and he recently had to reapply the genophage and modify it to stop the Krogans from growing an immunity.
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If it starts before the end of me3 then they have to take into account that the genophage might not be cured.

I don't really see how that would influence the game?



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If might start with your character making a name for themselvesin the milkyway, then they get picked for the ARK mission prior to the Reaper invasion

Probably will be done through picking one of new origins.



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If might start with your character making a name for themselvesin the milkyway, then they get picked for the ARK mission prior to the Reaper invasion, to ensure the survival of the different species of the milkyway.

I do like this idea



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I have been wondering about this.  It seems there is an "Ark" involved, so I am wondering if maybe this was a deep space colony project launched before the event of Mass Effect and even though it is after, the tech is from a previous era.  They launched before Harbinger and got to Andromeda way after everything.  This would make sense since potentially everything in the Milky Way is half organic, half artificial depending on the way you ended ME3.  That would be a difficult thing to implement as an option as your previous choice would literally change every single skin of the game if they were there for that event.



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I have been wondering about this.  It seems there is an "Ark" involved, so I am wondering if maybe this was a deep space colony project launched before the event of Mass Effect and even though it is after, the tech is from a previous era.  They launched before Harbinger and got to Andromeda way after everything.  This would make sense since potentially everything in the Milky Way is half organic, half artificial depending on the way you ended ME3.  That would be a difficult thing to implement as an option as your previous choice would literally change every single skin of the game if they were there for that event.

Not really. Just have the green glow be something that fades in time and have everyone involved in the mission get cybernetic implants.