No problem with pre-order. The only time I did regret doing it was with DA2, which I detest, and consider completely wasted money.
I will most definitely pre-order Fallout 4. The only game in the foreseeable future I care about anymore (yes I am fully on the hype train!!!)
Funny how Fallout 4 holds the hype when it's in a completely different place,
with no or few returning cast,
and a new protagonist.
Oh, just like Mass Effect 
It will come down to whether it's any good, not where it is.
The disinterest stems from the fact that the very act of leaving the MW is a huge handwave, a cop out, a confirmation that they screwed up badly in ME3 to the point of no return so they need to go to another galaxy rather than face the reality of what they 've written.
More to the point there's no way to fix the nonsense they wrote.
More to the point there's no way to fix the nonsense they wrote.
If they used the same locations, they'd retcon so hard it might randomize some of our social security numbers IRL.
More to the point there's no way to fix the nonsense they wrote.
Funny how Fallout 4 holds the hype when it's in a completely different place,
with no or few returning cast,
and a new protagonist.
Oh, just like Mass Effect
It will come down to whether it's any good, not where it is.
Not particulary funny since each Fallout always has a new protagonist, and a new location in the same universe.
Even if they'd written an elegant ending, they likely would and should walk away. Staying implies some sort of continuity. We saw continuity issues and issues acknowledging choice within the ME series even before the ending. Imaging trying to conjure up a MW that says, "I know what you did" with all the possible choices. This is as close to a blank slate as they can get.
Oh, yeah, the series was done even if the endings weren't gibberish because there's no way to do justice to end states. I mean, you'd have situations where entire races might be totally killed off for real ™ or entirely different political situations. Even ME2 had to roll back the sheer unbridled insanity of the all-human council.
Not particulary funny since each Fallout always has a new protagonist, and a new location in the same universe.
So pretty much like ME:A then.
New protagonist - check.
New Location - Check
Same Universe - Check.
I think it's premature to write the game off yet based on a relocation which had to happen. but maybe I'm just weird like that.
I'll be judging it on its gameplay merits mostly, the story, I won't be able to judge until I've gone through it.
Some things in the leak concern me, but shifting camp to Andromeda ain't one of them.
They really didn't have much room to maneuvre other than a parrallel story in the ME2/ME3 timeline, but away from Shepard and crew.
I lost a lot of my of my interested after ME3 concept, plot, gameplay and ending.
I just look ME:A as sort of compensation Bioware should do after ME3 disappointment.
In fact for players who own ME trilogy ME:A should be handed free of charge.
So pretty much like ME:A then.
New protagonist - check.
New Location - Check
Same Universe - Check.
I fully assume you deliberately misunderstand the post you were replying to. But in case you are not... The point is that even though Fallout (and Dragon Age) change location and protagonist, they are in the same setting.
A different galaxy is functionally the same as Nevada versus DC versus Boston, given the context. I truly don't see the difference.
It's going to be a Mass Effect game, either way.
I fully assume you deliberately misunderstand the post you were replying to. But in case you are not... The point is that even though Fallout (and Dragon Age) change location and protagonist, they are in the same setting.
This is a pretty arbitrary designation of "setting." The settings of Fallout 3 and New Vegas have nothing to do with one another save they both share the same game-world history. MEA is the same.
Funny how Fallout 4 holds the hype when it's in a completely different place,
with no or few returning cast,
and a new protagonist.
Oh, just like Mass Effect
It will come down to whether it's any good, not where it is.
That first line has a lot of truth, on the Bethesda forums, the new game is almost hated by many people on there. The voiced protagonist, set background (with spouse and child), the (at least predicted) plotline (not to mention the plot and writing of previous games), unkillable dog etc, and the constant cries of "they won't let me role play the way I want", this forum is quite positive in comparison. This is the same with every forum I have been a part of, whether it's Tomb Raider and the Microsoft XBox exclusivity deal, or how the Sims 4 should be more like the Sims 3 (even if for most of its run, The Sims 3 was criticised for not being enough like The Sims 2). I'm convinced every forum is like that, especially for the more popular games.
That first line has a lot of truth, on the Bethesda forums, the new game is almost hated by many people on there. The voiced protagonist, set background (with spouse and child), the (at least predicted) plotline (not to mention the plot and writing of previous games), unkillable dog etc, and the constant cries of "they won't let me role play the way I want", this forum is quite positive in comparison. This is the same with every forum I have been a part of, whether it's Tomb Raider and the Microsoft XBox exclusivity deal, or how the Sims 4 should be more like the Sims 3 (even if for most of its run, The Sims 3 was criticised for not being enough like The Sims 2). I'm convinced every forum is like that, especially for the more popular games.
Frankly, I'm astonished that you're able to stomach more than one gaming forum at a time.
Just the BSN sends me on multiple month sabbaticals.
That first line has a lot of truth, on the Bethesda forums, the new game is almost hated by many people on there. The voiced protagonist, set background (with spouse and child), the (at least predicted) plotline (not to mention the plot and writing of previous games), unkillable dog etc, and the constant cries of "they won't let me role play the way I want", this forum is quite positive in comparison. This is the same with every forum I have been a part of, whether it's Tomb Raider and the Microsoft XBox exclusivity deal, or how the Sims 4 should be more like the Sims 3 (even if for most of its run, The Sims 3 was criticised for not being enough like The Sims 2). I'm convinced every forum is like that, especially for the more popular games.
Dont just be convinced know that your right..... like deeply know it.....because your right
An analogy for people who are wondering why anyone would bother to post a complaint:
You're about to watch your favorite team in a huge game. You're excited. You have high expectations. And it becomes apparent in the first 5 minutes that your team is going to get absolutely slaughtered. All excitement you had---gone. You have no more interest in the game, but you do have an interest in venting. So you pen a thread to your favorite forum.
I feel ya, OP. I'm not excited--looks like it's going to be endless procuring settlements and defending them. That'll get boring real quick-like. I hope I'm wrong. I want a good story and non-repetative gameplay (for sp....mp is a little different). The remnants sound too much like the protheans. And the leak is putting emphasis on saving humanity (oh no, not again). This looks to be a reboot without technicallly being a reboot. I still want to see the milky way rebuilding post destroy. That was the most popular option and it wouldn't be a problem to make it cannon. I can hear it now--what about things like the genophage? Well, we're getting krogan in the new game and they'll do one of three things with them: keep the genophage, magically cure them or pretend it never happened (that last option depends on how far they want to retcon). Any way, people will be pissed because their choice won't matter, so if these things are going to be cannon anyway, why not keep it in the milky way. I will be happy if there are places like the citadel and illium to explore in-depth. If it's going to be a barren wasteland with a few buildings for settlemens everywhere, then I won't be interested. I'll wait and see for more information.
My best guess would be that they choose from the very small group of Krogan that are actually immune - some are spared, correct?
I'm still 100% behind "soft reboot" myself. I don't mind that the remnant are similar to the protheans because it's a fun idea (although I got the picture from the leak that the remnant are still extant in Andromeda?) and I'm not gonna lie - lots of exploration combined with "procuring settlements and defending them" in the Mass Effect setting sounds like something I really, really want to play.
Funny how Fallout 4 holds the hype when it's in a completely different place,
with no or few returning cast,
and a new protagonist.
Oh, just like Mass Effect
So pretty much like ME:A then.
New protagonist - check.
New Location - Check
Same Universe - Check.
The difference is that every Fallout game has been like that where Mass Effect 3 has been a 3 game series with the same protagonist and recurring characters.
More to the point there's no way to fix the nonsense they wrote.
This. Very much this.
A different galaxy is functionally the same as Nevada versus DC versus Boston, given the context. I truly don't see the difference.
It's going to be a Mass Effect game, either way.
No, it's not at all the same. While all three are far enough removed to not be effected by events in the other games, all the settings are affected by the same disaster in the past. While they may make the Reaper conflict the reason the species move to Andromeda, the setting is otherwise totally removed from events in the Milky Way.
Will it still be a Mass Effect game? It will obviously share the title, but what's in a name? Will there be Mass Relays? How many of the races we know will be there? Mass Effect depended so much on its setting, lore, and characters that it's not really Mass Effect without them. If they are all there, then you're right that the physical location won't be important. Fallout has recurring things like Supermutants and the Brotherhood of Steel, but they are totally different from one area to the next. And in a setting based on massive amounts of radiation and mutation, it's not surprising to see something totally different from one game to the next.
That first line has a lot of truth, on the Bethesda forums, the new game is almost hated by many people on there. The voiced protagonist, set background (with spouse and child), the (at least predicted) plotline (not to mention the plot and writing of previous games), unkillable dog etc, and the constant cries of "they won't let me role play the way I want", this forum is quite positive in comparison. This is the same with every forum I have been a part of, whether it's Tomb Raider and the Microsoft XBox exclusivity deal, or how the Sims 4 should be more like the Sims 3 (even if for most of its run, The Sims 3 was criticised for not being enough like The Sims 2). I'm convinced every forum is like that, especially for the more popular games.
They complain because those things are very different from the previous games, much like Mass Effect won't be the same without Mass Effect technology, Mass Relays, and, most importantly, the races we've come to enjoy.
Wait, wife and child... we aren't playing as James, are we?
This looks to be a reboot without technicallly being a reboot. I still want to see the milky way rebuilding post destroy. That was the most popular option and it wouldn't be a problem to make it cannon. I can hear it now--what about things like the genophage? Well, we're getting krogan in the new game and they'll do one of three things with them: keep the genophage, magically cure them or pretend it never happened (that last option depends on how far they want to retcon). Any way, people will be pissed because their choice won't matter, so if these things are going to be cannon anyway, why not keep it in the milky way. I will be happy if there are places like the citadel and illium to explore in-depth. If it's going to be a barren wasteland with a few buildings for settlemens everywhere, then I won't be interested. I'll wait and see for more information.
You just made me think of something; our choices across the series barely mattered in ME3 and choices in ME3 didn't matter at all, so why should people care if their choice at the end of ME3 doesn't matter going forward?
No, it's not at all the same. While all three are far enough removed to not be effected by events in the other games, all the settings are affected by the same disaster in the past. While they may make the Reaper conflict the reason the species move to Andromeda, the setting is otherwise totally removed from events in the Milky Way.
Will it still be a Mass Effect game? It will obviously share the title, but what's in a name? Will there be Mass Relays? How many of the races we know will be there? Mass Effect depended so much on its setting, lore, and characters that it's not really Mass Effect without them. Fallout has recurring things like Supermutants and the Brotherhood of Steel, but they are totally different from one area to the next. And in a setting based on massive amounts of radiation and mutation, it's not surprising to see something totally different from one game to the next.
Well, whoever is traveling on this "ark" ship will bring the history prior to the events of ME3 with them. And assuming Andromeda follows the same in-universe physical laws and is composed of the same elements, mass effect fields and mass effect technology will still be relevant. There's more to it than just the relays, unless they plan to reduce our biotic characters to regular old gun dudes.
I agree with you that Mass Effect's appeal rests on the lore and setting (and also, I maintain, the aesthetic). Which is why I think that the races we know and love will all be visible and present in the game, in addition to lots of new ones. Which is what we'd all expect from ME4 even if it took place in the Milky Way.
Seriously, not finding a way around the ending of ME3 so we have to ditch all the things we love, all the characters we love and the unexplored 97% of the galaxy sucks.
I am simply not interested in starting the world building from scratch because the ending of ME3 was a bad mistake...
I might pick this up in a bargain bin (real or virtual) but there is NO WAY I pay more than 30% of full price for it. And that's of course if it gets good reviews.
I am sorryish to see you go. I will post here if I think you should come back. Honestly though I think they would have done the same even if the ending didn't suck. Mainly cause there is no way to stay in the Milky Way without making a single ending canon. Well not without a MASSIVE design issues that would end up being a money sink bigger than EA is willing to foot the bill for.
I am sorryish to see you go. I will post here if I think you should come back. Honestly though I think they would have done the same even if the ending didn't suck. Mainly cause there is no way to stay in the Milky Way without making a single ending canon. Well not without a MASSIVE design issues that would end up being a money sink bigger than EA is willing to foot the bill for.
Oh I will get the game. Just not for the first 3-6 months, at least. On top of my disappointment about the Milky Way, I also just don't feel the hype. At all.
Oh I will get the game. Just not for the first 3-6 months, at least. On top of my disappointment about the Milky Way, I also just don't feel the hype. At all.
Well, since it's not due out until 2016, you've got a good, long while for the hype to build up.
You just made me think of something; our choices across the series barely mattered in ME3 and choices in ME3 didn't matter at all, so why should people care if their choice at the end of ME3 doesn't matter going forward?
Well, whoever is traveling on this "ark" ship will bring the history prior to the events of ME3 with them. And assuming Andromeda follows the same in-universe physical laws and is composed of the same elements, mass effect fields and mass effect technology will still be relevant. There's more to it than just the relays, unless they plan to reduce our biotic characters to regular old gun dudes.
I agree with you that Mass Effect's appeal rests on the lore and setting (and also, I maintain, the aesthetic). Which is why I think that the races we know and love will all be visible and present in the game, in addition to lots of new ones. Which is what we'd all expect from ME4 even if it took place in the Milky Way.
True, but I was immediately worried when I heard about polls regarding which races fans wanted to see carried over into the next game. The only ones I would be ok losing is something like the Vorcha, which never got any real characterization other than that people don't like them. They were just new mooks to shoot. Well, I could do without Batarians too since they didn't get much screen time either and we were told that they'd been pretty much wiped out.
Our choices in ME3 didn't matter at all? I'd ask a geth if they agreed with that, but in my last game there weren't any left.
And that affected the plot in what way? All you get is a different epilogue slide. You don't even get real information. Even though Dragon Age Origins' choices really didn't affect the plot either, you at least got information on what impact your choices had for the future.
True, but I was immediately worried when I heard about polls regarding which races fans wanted to see carried over into the next game. The only ones I would be ok losing is something like the Vorcha, which never got any real characterization other than that people don't like them. They were just new mooks to shoot. Well, I could do without Batarians too since they didn't get much screen time either and we were told that they'd been pretty much wiped out.
And that affected the plot in what way? All you get is a different epilogue slide. You don't even get real information. Even though Dragon Age Origins' choices really didn't affect the plot either, you at least got information on what impact your choices had for the future.
Retour en haut