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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Gud, that's how it should be for everything, you avoid any possibility of disappointment and gain nothing but pleasant surprises.

 

1% is too high. I go forth with -1% excitement.

[whogotsalami]

dude... you are gonna get bashed by hardcore Bioware cults no doubt. I have the same crap as yours and started a "Save the Milkyway thread" months ago... guess what? Bioware trashed my thread and migrated the "who needs the milkyway thread" here. You are not alone on this, many are just going to bite the bullet. Others are not on the forums but are expressing confusion and disappointment

 

Could I offer you some alternatives? many are available on Steam like Deus Ex Mankind Divided. I'm saving up for a budget PC right now that can run most new games better than a PS4 or Xbone

 

Agree.

 

Very dissapointed about the news also. I only hope that they did not use a convenient "space magic" to get to Andromeda in the 1st place. A fool's hope, but a hope nonetheless.

[Big Magnet]

Seriously, not finding a way around the ending of ME3 so we have to ditch all the things we love, all the characters we love and the unexplored 97% of the galaxy sucks.

 

I am simply not interested in starting the world building from scratch because the ending of ME3 was a bad mistake...

 

I might pick this up in a bargain bin (real or virtual) but there is NO WAY I pay more than 30% of full price for it. And that's of course if it gets good reviews.

 

Dutifully noted sir, let me just write this down on my invisible typewriter then file your declaration on my invisible archive.

 

[CronoDragoon]

Ugh!This thread again.  If you're posting on the forums for a game more than a year before its release, then either:

-You haven't actually lost 99% of your interest in the game, or

-Your prior interest level was bordering on pathological obsession.

 

Either way, you, and the other dozens of player who will post threads like this, will buy ME:A.  I guarantee it.  Obsessive gamers have been threatening not to buy upcoming games in a series since time immemorial.  It is always a lie.  

 

[CrutchCricket]

Is the EU lore though? It has seen enough revisions in the years.

Retcons are mostly dates of events as far as I know. It was amazing how well they were able to integrate everything though.

 

Not to mention 95% of the EU was terrible.

Factually wrong.

 

I know right, I can't imagine myself enjoying a movie that takes place in a Star Wars universe where Palpatine doesn't get cloned, Luke Skywalker doesn't turn to the darkside, Jedi don't have sex with a Killik hive mind, and the galaxy doesn't get invaded by some edgy Hellraiser knock-off looking aliens.

So clones, bugs and extragalactic aliens are bad but midichlorians, different clones and Jar-Jar are good, right?

 

**** happens.

 

I have never liked the Post-ROTJ EU. I don't mind Disney obliterating most of the EU as long as they preserve the Old Republic era. Kotor 1&2 are absolute gems that were, in many ways, superior even to the original movie trilogy.

Yeah... except they obliterated all of it. For no goddamn reason.

 

Makes Bioware's "art" almost reasonable by comparison.

[Saul Iscariot]

There weren't many ret cons with the Star Wars EU, that much is true. But they did have dedicated people, like Pablo Hidalgo, making sure that nothing contradicted anything else too much, and if George Lucas went in a direction that contradicted something established in the EU they thought up of a reason. As you say dates were changed, usually to another calendar. Sometimes it was simply a name, but Karen Traviss had a lot of her contributions completely ignored.

 

I also agree that most of the EU was good to great, though some of it was terrible. I'm reading Scoundrels at the moment and just finished Kenobi. Both are really good reads. The last few Dark Horse comics were very good and the Marvel ones are brilliant. The examples given by OS are some of the worst, so are the ones you gave about the PT. I quite like Jar Jar, but nothing should please everyone. As long as we can understand what others enjoyed and disliked that we don't agree with then live is dandy.

[FKA_Servo]

Factually wrong.

 

Subjectively true, in any case. I read every book and most comics through about 2003. Almost none of it holds up. I've read a bit since then.

 

Karen Traviss was one of the shining stars of the EU.

[AlanC9]

So clones, bugs and extragalactic aliens are bad but midichlorians, different clones and Jar-Jar are good, right?
 

I believe the argument is that reducing the abount of bad stuff is useful even if you can't get the level to zero.

[In Exile]

I believe the argument is that reducing the abount of bad stuff is useful even if you can't get the level to zero.

 

This also assumes that people in favour of purging the EU aren't in favour of also purging the prequels. 

[The Arbiter]

I bet these guys wouldn't last a second or two in Red Orchestra 2, Arma and Insurgency

[Maniccc]

TC, I made the same topic a few days ago and just got flamed by fanboys 

[CrutchCricket]

Karen Traviss was one of the shining stars of the EU.

lol, now I know you're trolling.

 

I believe the argument is that reducing the abount of bad stuff is useful even if you can't get the level to zero.

Not when it destroys a one-of-a-kind continuity. To my knowledge no other franchise has ever expanded its world and timeline so richly or embraced its accompanying materials so well and so consistently (despite some substantial changes from time to time). The only thing that comes close is major comic book universes but those essentially come with built-in AUs and they're always rebooting storylines. What I like is that it's still justified "in-universe" as multiverse=literal AU.

 

Star Wars on the other hand managed to keep it all together for over 20 years despite Lucas's sometimes way off left field ideas. And now it's all gone, not just the parts that don't hold up as well but stuff that rivals the OT in quality- Thrawn and Old Republic stuff.

 

I like continuity above all. So even if there are some things are less than stellar I prefer keeping them over just slicing up the lore, which I find almost disrespectful.

[Steelcan]

Karen Traviss was one of the shining stars of the EU.

wut

[LPPrince]

The Milky Way was plenty explored in the trilogy. Sure there was a TON of opportunities unexplored, but we were spread out across the Milky Way quite well.

 

Andromeda offers whole new opportunities, not just for a smaller story in one cluster, but even a bigger one across the galaxy itself. The Milky Way has 200-400 billion stars, Andromeda has around a trillion.

 

I personally don't have a problem with heading to another galaxy in this game.

[GnusmasTHX]

lol, now I know you're trolling.

 

Not when it destroys a one-of-a-kind continuity. To my knowledge no other franchise has ever expanded its world and timeline so richly or embraced its accompanying materials so well and so consistently (despite some substantial changes from time to time). The only thing that comes close is major comic book universes but those essentially come with built-in AUs and they're always rebooting storylines. What I like is that it's still justified "in-universe" as multiverse=literal AU.

 

Star Wars on the other hand managed to keep it all together for over 20 years despite Lucas's sometimes way off left field ideas. And now it's all gone, not just the parts that don't hold up as well but stuff that rivals the OT in quality- Thrawn and Old Republic stuff.

 

I like continuity above all. So even if there are some things are less than stellar I prefer keeping them over just slicing up the lore, which I find almost disrespectful.

 

lol, now I know you're trolling.

 

Not when it destroys a one-of-a-kind continuity. To my knowledge no other franchise has ever expanded its world and timeline so richly or embraced its accompanying materials so well and so consistently (despite some substantial changes from time to time). The only thing that comes close is major comic book universes but those essentially come with built-in AUs and they're always rebooting storylines. What I like is that it's still justified "in-universe" as multiverse=literal AU.

 

Star Wars on the other hand managed to keep it all together for over 20 years despite Lucas's sometimes way off left field ideas. And now it's all gone, not just the parts that don't hold up as well but stuff that rivals the OT in quality- Thrawn and Old Republic stuff.

 

I like continuity above all. So even if there are some things are less than stellar I prefer keeping them over just slicing up the lore, which I find almost disrespectful.

 

It's actually all still there, just not being expanded upon, but whatever.

[geth47]

"Sorry, I lost 99% of my interested after finding out we're ditching the Milky Way"

 

Bye bye.

 

Don´t let the door hit you when you leave. 

[CrutchCricket]

It's actually all still there, just not being expanded upon, but whatever.

Still there as it not removed from existence?

 

Sure, who was expecting different?

 

Still there as in canon? That's something else entirely.

[FKA_Servo]

wut

 

Her mandalorian stuff was great.

[Lebanese Dude]

I'm ambivalent really.

 

On one hand, I love galactic exploration and a new universe offers a clean slate. There's a whole slew of sci-fi that can be explored, and we can get into some bizarre yet fascinating phenomena. One of my favorite aspects of ME1 was to read about the different planets and their histories. A new universe is an entirely new mystery and I love that.

 

On the other hand, one of the major appeals of the ME trilogy was the interaction between the human species and aliens in both social and political settings. I also always figured that something big was going to ultimately happen to Earth and I was excited to see what it would be. ME3 overall really resounded with me because the fate of Earth was intertwined.

 

Of course, I don't see how else they can be able to reconcile the final ME choice with a new setting without significant hand-waiving or enforcing a canon. This is a good way to go about it.

 

I do hope that there's some form of civilization to interact with though. I'd prefer if ME:A wasn't a glorified safari.

[GnusmasTHX]

Her mandalorian stuff was great.

 

wut

[FKA_Servo]

I guess I should have expected this.

[Lebanese Dude]

 I only hope that they did not use a convenient "space magic" to get to Andromeda in the 1st place. A fool's hope, but a hope nonetheless.

 

It has been said that ME:A takes long after the events of the trilogy, it's safe to assume that humans use reaper technology to get there irrespective of the final outcome of the trilogy. Reapers "hibernate" in dark space. It's not that big a leap in logic to deduce that they can travel to another universe if they wanted to. It can be assumed that their "cycle" programming prevented that, but nothing prevents humans.

 

Considering that the entire premise of the series is based on the "space magic" called Mass Effect, I find it funny that people continuously use the term to mock phenomena that are being used by the writers but can't really be explained to justify certain creative decisions.

 

The entire game is based on space magic. 

[Avilan II]

The Milky Way was plenty explored in the trilogy. Sure there was a TON of opportunities unexplored, but we were spread out across the Milky Way quite well.

 

Andromeda offers whole new opportunities, not just for a smaller story in one cluster, but even a bigger one across the galaxy itself. The Milky Way has 200-400 billion stars, Andromeda has around a trillion.

 

I personally don't have a problem with heading to another galaxy in this game.

According to WOG we had only seen (as in humanity, in game) less than 10% of the actual galaxy AFAIR.

[LPPrince]

According to WOG we had only seen (as in humanity, in game) less than 10% of the actual galaxy AFAIR.

 

Yeah, but story elements were spread across the entirety of the galaxy. We couldn't go anywhere without seeing recognizable stuff.

[Beerfish]