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[Saul Iscariot]

I guess I should have expected this.

If it helps I agree entirely with you. I can type in a smattering of Mandolorian after she expanded the language. And for the record nothing in Star Wars was proper canon unless it was in the films or TV series, Clone Wars and Rebels. I am annoyed that we'll never see Bane, Thrawn, Pellaeon, Darla, Ben Skywalker and many, many more. Does that means what will follow be terrible? Well some of it will be, but there has always been bad and good in the EU. Same for ME, I don't enjoy every bit of it. But what I don't enjoy others loved.

[Avilan II]

I just finished my 9th playthrough of ME3 2 minutes ago.

The final dialogue is very cheesy, but it's Buzz, so I love it anyway.

 

Anyway, that whole monologue flies in the face of this as well, as it seems to be a clear set up for a new game in the Milky Way.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Good. F*ck Earth and all its pig people.

[Vapaa]

Anyway, that whole monologue flies in the face of this as well, as it seems to be a clear set up for a new game in the Milky Way.

 

Just let i go.

[Clips7]

Idk....it's hard to really criticize anything without seeing any real gameplay or story explanation. The concept was probably just to start off fresh, because of how we basically tapped everything in the last game and in how the story of the Reapers itself was so Epic combined with basically how devastating each ending was in ME3, it would be pretty hard to recover or to try to tell a story from that angle.

 

Now i think there should be at least some relevance on speaking about the events of ME3 and we should be able to visit the Milky Way galaxy at some point, but i just feel they wanted to focus on a new star cluster with new enemies and threats and exploration. I don't think we'll see anything along the lines of a Reaper invasion, but small disturbances and threats are certainly possible from a new alien species.

[Avilan II]

Just let i go.

 

Heh, when did this forum change from "Loathsome pit where everyone hates everything Bioware ever does" to "Annoying Fanboy club where any criticism is being attacked"...?

 

Anyway... See the badges by my name? I think I have poured enough money over Bioware to have earned the right to express my dissatisfaction with a trailer.

[FKA_Servo]

I just finished my 9th playthrough of ME3 2 minutes ago.

The final dialogue is very cheesy, but it's Buzz, so I love it anyway.

 

Anyway, that whole monologue flies in the face of this as well, as it seems to be a clear set up for a new game in the Milky Way.

 

I have no strong feelings about the trailer, but the badges underneath my name still think that this was hands down the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a Bioware game.

 

I have a frankly unhealthy amount of hate for "the shepard."

[Saul Iscariot]

*Looks at badges*

 

Chuff it, I like the pair of you. I don't agree or disagree with all the things I've seen you say. I can understand Avilan's concerns, even if they aren't mine. The thing to remember is that there are more than two sides to any position. Some of the people that object to anything can't agree as to why in most cases.

[AlanC9]

Anyway, that whole monologue flies in the face of this as well, as it seems to be a clear set up for a new game in the Milky Way.

I thought it was a DLC sales pitch, myself.

[Avilan II]

I thought it was a DLC sales pitch, myself.

 

The last bit, yes. The whole bit about billions of stars and how all of them could have forms of life we don't know of? Not so much.

[Hiemoth]

I just finished my 9th playthrough of ME3 2 minutes ago.

The final dialogue is very cheesy, but it's Buzz, so I love it anyway.

 

Anyway, that whole monologue flies in the face of this as well, as it seems to be a clear set up for a new game in the Milky Way.

 

No it doesn't. There is literally nothing in it indicating that they are going to set up a new game in the Milky Way.

[Danimals847]

I will never understand why people thing the ending to ME3 was so damning. The range of the mass relay network means that the Crucible would only affect a small percentage of the star systems in the galaxy. Regardless of which of the 4 endings of ME3 was chosen, there are plenty of places within our galaxy that would not be affected. I've said multiple times that I thought it would be a way better idea to have the ark ships fly to star systems within our galaxy. That would open the opportunity to return to today's known space at a later time. I have always imagined that upon returning everything would be in ruin, with "remnants" of what once was, and we would find clues throughout our travels that would vaguely hint at what happened but never truly know - thus avoiding a "canon ending" while also preserving the fact that *something* happened.

 

OP - you should check out the post I made on this topic on reddit: http://www.reddit.co...rring_spoilers/

[CrutchCricket]

I will never understand why people thing the ending to ME3 was so damning. The range of the mass relay network means that the Crucible would only affect a small percentage of the star systems in the galaxy. Regardless of which of the 4 endings of ME3 was chosen, there are plenty of places within our galaxy that would not be affected. I've said multiple times that I thought it would be a way better idea to have the ark ships fly to star systems within our galaxy. That would open the opportunity to return to today's known space at a later time. I have always imagined that upon returning everything would be in ruin, with "remnants" of what once was, and we would find clues throughout our travels that would vaguely hint at what happened but never truly know - thus avoiding a "canon ending" while also preserving the fact that *something* happened.

 

OP - you should check out the post I made on this topic on reddit: http://www.reddit.co...rring_spoilers/

This is no better. If there are pockets somehow not hit by the RGB then that opens the possibility of active Reapers who haven't gotten with the program/ are slag. This is worse than whether people have green TRON lines or not or whether Reapers wear N7 patches now.

 

The endings killed the setting. I'm sorry.

[AlanC9]

This is no better. If there are pockets somehow not hit by the RGB then that opens the possibility of active Reapers who haven't gotten with the program/ are slag. This is worse than whether people have green TRON lines or not or whether Reapers wear N7 patches now.

The endings killed the setting. I'm sorry.

Well, the endings and the stuff before the endings, and only when coupled with Bio's refusal to pick one possible point and go on from there. Unless Bio's right to do that and this is actually a problem with the fans.

[ticoteco246]

I will never understand why people thing the ending to ME3 was so damning. The range of the mass relay network means that the Crucible would only affect a small percentage of the star systems in the galaxy. Regardless of which of the 4 endings of ME3 was chosen, there are plenty of places within our galaxy that would not be affected. I've said multiple times that I thought it would be a way better idea to have the ark ships fly to star systems within our galaxy. That would open the opportunity to return to today's known space at a later time. I have always imagined that upon returning everything would be in ruin, with "remnants" of what once was, and we would find clues throughout our travels that would vaguely hint at what happened but never truly know - thus avoiding a "canon ending" while also preserving the fact that *something* happened.

 

OP - you should check out the post I made on this topic on reddit: http://www.reddit.co...rring_spoilers/

 

Actually, I always thought the ~Crucible Energy~ just traveled throughout the entire galaxy (at least that's how the ending made it seem to me...) I mean, the relays certainly made the job faster, but the Crucible seems to just travel and travel and travel through the entire galaxy. It's energy, clearly moving a lot faster than the speed of light for how quickly it affects the entire galaxy, although it doesn't seem to get stopped by anything like light would be blocked by solid matter. It continues unaffected while passing through matter, maybe kinda like neutrinos? Space magic neutrinos?

 

Honestly, I can see how the entire galaxy would be affected. My question is what stopped the energy from travelling outside the Milky Way. Obviously it's some kinda weird ~special~ energy with all the space magic bullsh*t it does, but is there even a way to contain weird magic energy inside a certain space? Who knows.

[Avilan II]

Seriously, the (Extended cut + Leviathan) ending was not that bad. It wasn't GOOD, but it wasn't worse than 90% of all RPG endings. Really.

 

What I am angry about after the EC was installed is the LAZINESS of the whole thing.

Using stock photos for the ending clip AND Tali's face? Badly photoshopped at that?? WTH Bioware?

Not to mention the pre-EC cuts... Just leaving large chunks out and expect people to understand?

It all boiled down to laziness. Or panic. "OOps we are supposed to go Gold tomorrow and we forgot to render Tali's face! Let's google stock photos!)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Using stock photos for the ending clip AND Tali's face? Badly photoshopped at that?? WTH Bioware?

I liked Tali's face.

[Avilan II]

I liked Tali's face.

Well I liked it as in "Sexy supermodel".  I didn't like the choice of "Let's make them look even more human than Asari, but with two fingers." Especially since according to canon only humans have hair.

...Except for quarians apparently, which every Asari and Krogan over the age of 300 would know.

 

And again, just photoshop a stock photo?That IS 100% laziness.

[Uccio]

I liked Tali's face.

 

Me too. No matter of the origin of the photo. 

 

As for the story. I would love to have seen the aftermatch of ME3, that is for sure. Even without Shepard. Now this Andromeda seems a tad bit lame.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well I liked it as in "Sexy supermodel".  I didn't like the choice of "Let's make them look even more human than Asari, but with two fingers." Especially since according to canon only humans have hair.

...Except for quarians apparently, which every Asari and Krogan over the age of 300 would know.

 

And again, just photoshop a stock photo?That IS 100% laziness.

We knew they looked very similar to humans years before Tali's picture. It was in one of the books that came out before ME2.

[Morty Smith]

Ditching milky ways will lose you some body fat.

 

My interest in andromeda increased by 99%.

[Natureguy85]

This is an interesting thread. I think I've grabbed enough to respond to for one post.

 

Seriously, not finding a way around the ending of ME3 so we have to ditch all the things we love, all the characters we love and the unexplored 97% of the galaxy sucks.

 

I am simply not interested in starting the world building from scratch because the ending of ME3 was a bad mistake...

 

I might pick this up in a bargain bin (real or virtual) but there is NO WAY I pay more than 30% of full price for it. And that's of course if it gets good reviews.

 

How did you not see this as a distinct possibility? There was no way they could pick up after the Reaper war and not ****** people off. The ending was that bad.

 

That's great news. Would you like us to try and convince you why you should keep an open mind or are you 100% not interested? Because at the moment you talk about re evaluating your position dependent on price, which is odd as really you should judge this game on its merits? It maybe absolutely awful. Would you still pick it up if it is discounted to 30%? It could be absolutely the best game ever, would you still wait until it is discounted?

 

Yes, because there are so many good games out there that you can play lots of other games while you sit on a single player game until it goes on sale. This goes more for Steam though.

 

 

Well you obviously liked the opposite of the things I liked. I liked the worlds, the races, the characters and the whole setting.

All of that is now gone. Period. 

Or to put it another way... would you be interested in Episode VII if it was set in a different galaxy and none of the original characters will be around? 

 

 

Yes as long as it had the core things of the series; good characters, light sabers, big galactic conflict, and the Force. Star Wars various alien species was merely to make the galaxy look big. We never got into them as much as we do those in Mass Effect. Note how all the main characters except Yoda are human; Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, Obi-Wan. C-3PO is even humanoid. Beyond it's core characters, the strength of Star Wars was its mythology and lore. It's not a good comparison.

 

Well, I loved KOTOR, and it didn't have much to do with seeing Dantooine.

 

See the above.

 

I'm not thrilled it will be in another galaxy, but I accept it will be and will preorder the game. I'm sure it will do well or at least like for it to do well.

 

Is there a problem with me preordering the game when it becomes available?

 

Yes. You should not give them money before they have finished. If they already have your money, what incentive do they have to do good work for you?

 

IMHO ME1 was by far the worst game of the series, mainly because of the horribad combat and the worse than horribad Mako. (In fact, these days I use the console to give myself maximum XP from the start so I don't have to explore to get it. I can't STAND driving around in that... gas filled mastodont). Story wise it was good, but survived more on atmosphere than actual story quality. 

 

I list the games like this:

ME3 (including EC and Leviathan)

ME2

ME1

 

AS for what I am attached to I already listed it. The races, the worlds... I want to visit the Turians again, specifically. By far my favorite race. And again, Bioware has only shown us 3% of the Milky Way. And now we will never see the rest.

 

What? You want story yet you put ME2 and 3 above ME1? You're crazy. ME had the best main plot, though it wasn't perfect. ME2's main plot sucked and it was carried entirely by its characters. ME3... well we all know how bad that was.

 

 

 Had they delivered on the promise that we'd all get a unique conclusion, based upon our in game experience, then it would be just about impossible to do a sequel in any way shape or form.

 

Personally, I'd rather have ME3 have concluded in a well written way and be done with the series. Look at Indiana Jones. Last Crusade (title not an accident) wrapped the series up perfectly. But noooo, they had to go make another one.

 

Yes. In fact I'm kind of hoping that after Episode VII no character from the OT and no planet from the OT features again.

 

I would be ok with them appearing, but I agree they shouldn't be central characters.

 

TommyServo, on 17 Jun 2015 - 3:27 PM, said:

I can't imagine what else you'd be attached to, in that case. ME2 and ME3 brought the whole thing crashing down. This is not a controversial position.

 

In what way? I've regrettably spent probably 400+ hours in the Mass Effect universe and it sure as hell wasn't for Mark Meer's voice acting. 

 

It probably wasn't for the main plot either. Mass Effect 2 and 3 ruined what Mass Effect had set up. They were carried totally by their characters and universe. ME2 did have good character stories, but it had the worst plot, except for ME3's endings.

[Natureguy85]

Would this be a bad time to point out that Episodes I-VI didn't all have the same worlds, races, characters, and setting focus across their own movies, let alone the focus points of I-III and IV-VI?

 

Tatooinie was the only planet that had a major role across I-VI, and even then it was never went back to after IV. The 'all Star Wars stories go to Tatoonie' has generally be considered a weakness, not a strength. Corscurant had a big presence in I-III, but was practically non-existent in IV-VI. Naboo didn't happen in IV-VI. Hoth and Bespin weren't in I-III.

 

In fact, the only movie I can think of that didn't have a major world focus of a planet that only appeared once was I, because Naboo/Tatoonie/Corscurant. But we certainly never had reoccuring focus on the culture or depth of Naboo, or anywhere else, like we had in the ME trilogy.

 

Races came and went, and most of the cast changed drastically. Anakin/Vader really can't be considered consistent, and R2D2/C3PO were walking plot holes.

 

So... yeah. People would probably be able to enjoy the next star wars movie even if it only selectively kept some of the races and never visited past planets. That's pretty much what happened in Episodes I-VI.

 

The races and locations were not important in Star Wars. All that mattered was that there were different kinds of aliens. This is why it's just "a galaxy far, far away". The location doesn't matter.

 

I honestly don't get the people who lose interest based on us leaving the Milky Way.  If you fell in love with all the made up species, adventures, colonies, et al that populated the Milky Way then why wouldn't you trust them to create another galaxy that you could love?

 

Because those species and colonies that populated the Milky Way are the core of what people loved about Mass Effect. If all those races we love are coming with, then it's just a scenery change. If not, well then it's not really Mass Effect anymore.

[themikefest]

 

Yes. You should not give them money before they have finished. If they already have your money, what incentive do they have to do good work for you?

Its my money, right? I spend it in whatever fashion I want, right? What incentive to they have to make the game bad?

[MegaIllusiveMan]

 

Yes as long as it had the core things of the series; good characters, light sabers, big galactic conflict, and the Force. Star Wars various alien species was merely to make the galaxy look big. We never got into them as much as we do those in Mass Effect. Note how all the main characters except Yoda are human; Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, Obi-Wan. C-3PO is even humanoid. Beyond it's core characters, the strength of Star Wars was its mythology and lore. It's not a good comparison.

 

 

 

Yes, but then it wouldn't be called Episode VII, but something else, because it wouldn't relate to any of the Original Characters.

 

And that is why this game isn't called Mass Effect 4.