@Avilan II: Had I known that at the time... I would have let the Reapers clean up Thessia and THEN I'd have stopped Saren.
Err... here is a quote from you on the other thread: "...What lengths are we willing to go to, and the moral degenerates on the forums should get all their precious "ruthless" options."
Do you include yourself among the "moral degenerates"? The above choice seems pretty ruthless to me.
I'm not sure how leaving the MW allows them to whitewash the ending. They would have to "deal with" the ending if council races are doing anything anywhere. Moving the game 200 years after ME3, OTOH, allows them to have a lot more freedom to walk away from ME3.
Frankly being able to hit the reset button is a good thing. Now they don't have to keep trying to tie every little thing together and explain how it works together. The ability to thread everything from game 1 to game 3 was already fraying. I'm not interesting in seeing them Jerry rig plot lines into game 4.
Wouldn't work. I wrote a massive post once disproving this thought. I dont feel like recapitulating it. But essentially, travel across the galaxy is not instantaneous, and relay traffic is monitored from the Citadel. It takes 15 hours to travel from Eden Prime to the Citadel. By the time thr Reapers made it to the Serpent Nebula, the arms would have closed because they would have had literally HOURS of advanced notice. The only reason why the blitz attack at the start of ME3 worked is because they nearly simultaneously hit the homeworlds of three separate species, and they could not be defended like the Citadel. Even earth had hours of advanced notice, they just didn't know the full extent of the threat - but that a threat was present.
So, repeatedly stating the "why didn't the reapers take the citadel" argument doesn't make it any less of a nonsensical strategy. It actually DOES make sense why they didn't. The only reason why they could take it immediately in cycles before is because they jumped immediately to the Serpent Nebula from dark space and Sovereigns signal would have already had the Citadel locked out.
Ships in conventional FTL are impossible to track, and the Reapers can travel in conventional FTL indefinitely, so they could use conventional FTL and come out right on the Citadel's doorstep, as close as they were when using the Citadel as a Mass Relay in previous cycles.
Its my money, right? I spend it in whatever fashion I want, right? What incentive to they have to make the game bad?
Sure, and you could spend it on cocaine, but I'd tell you that was a bad idea too. They wouldn't actively make it bad could easily choose to not work as hard. It happens.
Yes, but then it wouldn't be called Episode VII, but something else, because it wouldn't relate to any of the Original Characters.
And that is why this game isn't called Mass Effect 4.
I'm fine with that. It made sense that Yoda and Obi-Wan were in Episode 1-3, but R2D2 and especially C-3PO had no business being in there. Then you have Chewbacca being shoehorned into Episode 3. Yuck.
If the Reapers weren't given the Idiot Ball by Bioware, the Reaper's attention would have been the Citadel first so they could shut down the Relay network and guarantee victory.
Also, where was it stated. that Citadel can disable Mass Relays? Because in the endgame, Reapers took control of the Citadel (I still don't really know how...) and the Relay network still worked.
They also took control of the Citadel immediately during their Harvest of the Proteans, and the Relays still worked, otherwise Proteans wouldn't be able to hold on for several generations.
Mass Effect 1 by Vigil. And you're right; the Reapers not shutting down the relays is a big plot hole.
No, the relays did not work. Vigil explicitly states this. They held out because exterminating every last Prothean takes time and because they inhabited multiple worlds around a relay. Remember, you can visit many systems around each relay.
I personally loved the way Cerberus were handled and evolved in ME1 & 2. The grey, morally ambiguous bracket they fit was nothing short of superb, and gave both the first games so much depth (the second massively so)
To see that all destroyed in the first hour of ME3 with The ILlusive Man becoming a Scooby Doo villain was soul destroying. Whatever happened in ME3, the player should have never recieved closure on whether siding with Cerberus was a good move or an evil one, never mind been told straight away "dey are baddies, kill dem"
What a complete ****-up.
Where was the gray? They were pretty much always awful people doing horrific things.Being railroaded into working with Cerberus was one of the worst parts about ME2. We should have gone to TIM as a last resort after seeing that nobody would help rather than taking TIM's word for it. However, I agree with you that making it obvious that TIM was Indoctrinated right at the start of ME3 was also a terrible decision. It could have been a great reveal for later.
Wouldn't work. I wrote a massive post once disproving this thought. I dont feel like recapitulating it. But essentially, travel across the galaxy is not instantaneous, and relay traffic is monitored from the Citadel. It takes 15 hours to travel from Eden Prime to the Citadel. By the time thr Reapers made it to the Serpent Nebula, the arms would have closed because they would have had literally HOURS of advanced notice. The only reason why the blitz attack at the start of ME3 worked is because they nearly simultaneously hit the homeworlds of three separate species, and they could not be defended like the Citadel. Even earth had hours of advanced notice, they just didn't know the full extent of the threat - but that a threat was present.
So, repeatedly stating the "why didn't the reapers take the citadel" argument doesn't make it any less of a nonsensical strategy. It actually DOES make sense why they didn't. The only reason why they could take it immediately in cycles before is because they jumped immediately to the Serpent Nebula from dark space and Sovereigns signal would have already had the Citadel locked out.
That's ridiculous. Even with notice, the Citadel Defense fleet could not fight all the Reapers. Even the combined fleet at the end loses without the Crucible. It wasn't just the power of the threat that surprised Earth, it was also how fast the Reapers got there. How did the Reapers get it at the end of the game then? They took full control of it. They had no reason to not blitz it with every single Reaper then proceed like every other cycle... other than that if they did that, there is no game. Unless of course Shepard had a ship that had an IFF installed that would allow it to still use relays like the Reapers. But that would make the Normandy special again and they decided to throw that away in ME2's intro.
Sure, and you could spend it on cocaine, but I'd tell you that was a bad idea too. They wouldn't actively make it bad could easily choose to not work as hard. It happens.
I'm still preordering the game. I don't see a problem. Whether the game is bad or not, that will be for me to decide when I play it
Good. No more "Save EARTH! and "Earth is so special because HUMANS!".
but what happends if we have to save Earth 2.0? and HUMANS!! AGAIN?
Funnily enough i gained about 27.39547352% interest once finding out we are ditching the milky way.
good thing too because you know the calories 
Sure, and you could spend it on cocaine, but I'd tell you that was a bad idea too.
Lol.. and judging by your post, you would be a hypocrite.. Or maybe you got your drugs for free? 
I'm still preordering the game. I don't see a problem. Whether the game is bad or not, that will be for me to decide when I play it
Fine, but if it's bad, its all your fault! 
Lol.. and judging by your post, you would be a hypocrite.. Or maybe you got your drugs for free?
I'll never tell
Fine, but if it's bad, its all your fault!
deal with it
Heh, when did this forum change from "Loathsome pit where everyone hates everything Bioware ever does" to "Annoying Fanboy club where any criticism is being attacked"...?
You didn't provide any criticism, you just barged in shouting "not interested".
You can shout all you want, you won't change history, accept it or keep shouting, the choice is yours.
Anyway... See the badges by my name? I think I have poured enough money over Bioware to have earned the right to express my dissatisfaction with a trailer.
Can't care less about the badges, I discuss the post, not how big is your pedigree.
I honestly don't get the people who lose interest based on us leaving the Milky Way. If you fell in love with all the made up species, adventures, colonies, et al that populated the Milky Way then why wouldn't you trust them to create another galaxy that you could love?
The disinterest stems from the fact that the very act of leaving the MW is a huge handwave, a cop out, a confirmation that they screwed up badly in ME3 to the point of no return so they need to go to another galaxy rather than face the reality of what they 've written.
Personally as a big fan of the series, I can't say I am disinterested.Of course I am interested ,but that doesn't mean I am not disappointed.Being disappointed doesn't mean I will hate this game.I might love this game and may have lots of fun with it but will I love it as much as I did the original trilogy? I'm afraid I don't think so and it's very sad.Mass Effect means different things to fans.To me the characters and story were the essence of ME.Without that, I won't be able to connect to it unless the new characters and story are so much better and win me over,but still ,for all its flaws, no new ME game/cast/story will ever truly replace ME1-3.At least for me.
Another comment I want to leave on this matter is something I said in another thread.
At moments like these, I really envy you older fans of the series because you had another game with Commader Shepard to look forward to. New fans of the series such as myself ,will never have that feeling.
I became a fan in late 2013/early 2014:(
Another comment I want to leave on this matter is something I said in another thread.
At moments like these, I really envy you older fans of the series because you had another game with Commader Shepard to look forward to. New fans of the series such as myself ,will never have that feeling.
I became a fan in late 2013/early 2014:(
There, there... 
Frankly, after the mess they made of the ME3 ending.......its a great idea leave the galaxy behind.
Frankly, after the mess they made of the ME3 ending.......its a great idea leave the galaxy behind.
Actually, the mess is one of the likely reasons for it.
This is funny, OP if you've lost interest then why are you still here?
Another comment I want to leave on this matter is something I said in another thread.
At moments like these, I really envy you older fans of the series because you had another game with Commader Shepard to look forward to. New fans of the series such as myself ,will never have that feeling.
I became a fan in late 2013/early 2014:(
I honestly don't get the people who lose interest based on us leaving the Milky Way.
No one posting here has lost interest. Some obsessed fans just like to complain. The people who have really lost interest in Mass Effect don't even know this new forum exists.
No one posting here has lost interest. Some obsessed fans just like to complain. The people who have really lost interest in Mass Effect don't even know this new forum exists.
Isn't it a bit unfair to paint fans with different/opposing opinions with such a broad brush?
Some people are happy the series has moved to another galaxy and some fans are not.
That hard of a concept to grasp?
Can't we all just get along ?
Are you kidding me? I became a fan to the series like just months ago while blasting through the trilogy non stop.
Welcome 
Always a pleasure to see new fans coming to the series.
Isn't it a bit unfair to paint fans with different/opposing opinions with such a broad brush?
Some people are happy the series has moved to another galaxy and some fans are not.
That hard of a concept to grasp?
Can't we all just get along ?
Welcome
Always a pleasure to see new fans coming to the series.
This is no better. If there are pockets somehow not hit by the RGB then that opens the possibility of active Reapers who haven't gotten with the program/ are slag. This is worse than whether people have green TRON lines or not or whether Reapers wear N7 patches now.
The endings killed the setting. I'm sorry.
There would be little to no reason for any reapers to just "hang out" outside the range of the relays where the known populations exist. Even if a few happened to remain, what's wrong with a handful of straggling reapers in the next game? They could pose a threat equal to Cerberus in ME1 or geth in ME2; they would appear in a few side quests but would no longer be a threat to civilization, especially in the absence of both the Intelligence and Harbinger.
There would be little to no reason for any reapers to just "hang out" outside the range of the relays where the known populations exist. Even if a few happened to remain, what's wrong with a handful of straggling reapers in the next game? They could pose a threat equal to Cerberus in ME1 or geth in ME2; they would appear in a few side quests but would no longer be a threat to civilization, especially in the absence of both the Intelligence and Harbinger.
If that's all you think "a few stragglers" could amount to, you haven't been paying attention.
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