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[Grieving Natashina]

 

Can we knock it off?  I mean, who gives a flying pig if someone prefers MP or SP?  The two budgets are separate, and I think that we're lucky to have a couple of different modes of gameplay.  We can all hope that we get the best experience for our buck, and isn't that what should matter?

 

Rather than sitting on the BSN talking smack, why not try to be enthusiastic, or at least happy for others?  I don't give a toss about MP, but I'm happy that folks have another game experience to try.  I'm not worried about MP being the focus for the ME:A.  If they ever did a MP-only Mass Effect game, I wouldn't be here crying and gnashing my teeth.  I just wouldn't buy it.

[KaiserShep]

Being happy…for others? We don't have the technology to achieve such a feat. 

[q5tyhj]

Yeah, his overall statement was pretty ludicrous. I mean, what huge group of people would buy ME only for multiplayer?

Yeah, what huge group of people indeed.. Oh wait.

 

Herp/derp. 

[KotorEffect3]

 

Can we knock it off?  I mean, who gives a flying pig if someone prefers MP or SP?  The two budgets are separate, and I think that we're lucky to have a couple of different modes of gameplay.  We can all hope that we get the best experience for our buck, and isn't that what should matter?

 

Rather than sitting on the BSN talking smack, why not try to be enthusiastic, or at least happy for others?  I don't give a toss about MP, but I'm happy that folks have another game experience to try.  I'm not worried about MP being the focus for the ME:A.  If they ever did a MP-only Mass Effect game, I wouldn't be here crying and gnashing my teeth.  I just wouldn't buy it.

I don't have a problem with multiplayer being in the game but it should generally stay as is and not be the priority.  At it's heart ME is a single player franchise.  I didn't go out and wait in line at the midnight release of ME 3 in 2012 to to play as some random turian or salarian in MP.  I stood in line to get the game so I could finish up Shepard's story.  It was the journey of Commander Shepard and the Normandy crew that invested me in Mass Effect.  Mass Effects 1 and 2 didn't have nor did they need multiplayer to make them great games, they were great games because of the adventures they took us on as Commander Shepard.  There is absolutely nothing in multiplayer that can compare to the moments we experienced in Shepard's story.  So yeah I get a little pissed when these MP trolls who are usually just flavor of the month gamers anyway come in here with ritalin addled 5 minute attention span brains and start spewing that MP should be a priority over SP.  That crap might fly with other franchises who's games consist of short 7 to 10 hour campaigns but not Mass Effect.

[Paulomedi]

I don't have a problem with multiplayer being in the game but it should generally stay as is and not be the priority.  At it's heart ME is a single player franchise.  I didn't go out and wait in line at the midnight release of ME 3 in 2012 to to play as some random turian or salarian in MP.  I stood in line to get the game so I could finish up Shepard's story.  It was the journey of Commander Shepard and the Normandy crew that invested me in Mass Effect.  Mass Effects 1 and 2 didn't have nor did they need multiplayer to make them great games, they were great games because of the adventures they took us on as Commander Shepard.  There is absolutely nothing in multiplayer that can compare to the moments we experienced in Shepard's story.  So yeah I get a little pissed when these MP trolls who are usually just flavor of the month gamers anyway come in here with ritalin addled 5 minute attention span brains and start spewing that MP should be a priority over SP.  That crap might fly with other franchises who's games consist of short 7 to 10 hour campaigns but not Mass Effect.

 

Finally, after all these years, we know why you are such a rabid drone.

[KotorEffect3]

Finally, after all these years, we know why you are such a rabid drone.

So you just come on here to start crap up?  Yes I love the series, if you are going to start calling me a "drone" then it just shows what a spiteful hater that you are.  People should be allowed to love something without taking crap for it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Sylvius you're gonna have to expand out of that because games nowadays are moving beyond this

Games are moving beyond being accessible and well-documented?

Adequate documentation should be demanded by consumers of all products, not just software.

[Geth Supremacy]

What!? They don't agree with us? GRRRR!!!! Well lets ignore all of that and sit in our corner together and all rant about something we all already agree on! LMAO!  Am I the only one that sees this and finds it hilarious?

[Sylvius the Mad]

But if they dispensed with the SP team, they could divert the money into developing an even better MP experience. How is this not obvious?

What's obvious is that you don't understand how budgets work.

[Grieving Natashina]

What!? They don't agree with us? GRRRR!!!! Well lets ignore all of that and sit in our corner together and all rant about something we all already agree on! LMAO!  Am I the only one that sees this and finds it hilarious?

Nope, not the only one.  I see the humor, but I'm also a sap.  I wish folks would quit wasting their time insulting each other about things like this.  

[AtreiyaN7]

Both SP and MP can coexist in peace. I think the SP team is already focused on making a great (one would hope) campaign, and the MP team - which is presumably separate from the SP team - is going to focus on making MP the best that it can be. 

 

Sometimes I think the more melodramatic people on both sides of the SP/MP fence should just go whip out their omni-blades and duel each other to death - that or they should consider joining together to stage a performance of Hamlet Elcor-style. Either one of those options would be more entertaining than the ongoing silliness in the various SP/MP threads.

[Grieving Natashina]

Both SP and MP can coexist in peace. I think the SP team is already focused on making a great (one would hope) campaign, and the MP team - which is presumably separate from the SP team - is going to focus on making MP the best that it can be. 

 

Sometimes I think the more melodramatic people on both sides of the SP/MP fence should just go whip out their omni-blades and duel each other to death - that or they should consider joining together to stage a performance of Hamlet Elcor-style. Either one of those options would be more entertaining than the ongoing silliness in the various SP/MP threads.

I'm out of likes, but I wanted to say:

 

Spoiler

 

A poster after my own heart.  

[The Elder King]

I don't have a problem with multiplayer being in the game but it should generally stay as is and not be the priority.  At it's heart ME is a single player franchise.  I didn't go out and wait in line at the midnight release of ME 3 in 2012 to to play as some random turian or salarian in MP.  I stood in line to get the game so I could finish up Shepard's story.  It was the journey of Commander Shepard and the Normandy crew that invested me in Mass Effect.  Mass Effects 1 and 2 didn't have nor did they need multiplayer to make them great games, they were great games because of the adventures they took us on as Commander Shepard.  There is absolutely nothing in multiplayer that can compare to the moments we experienced in Shepard's story.  So yeah I get a little pissed when these MP trolls who are usually just flavor of the month gamers anyway come in here with ritalin addled 5 minute attention span brains and start spewing that MP should be a priority over SP.  That crap might fly with other franchises who's games consist of short 7 to 10 hour campaigns but not Mass Effect.

The fact that You feel that way doesn't mean everyone feel the same.
Also, most, If Not all, Are doing this on purpose to see people's reactions.

[My other account is banned]

Is this crap still going on? Have people at least stopped crying now? The SP will take care of itself IF this is a genuine attempt to make a good game from Bioware and not just a cash grab. I think the MP will arguably be the most important part of this new game because judging by the fact of how bad ME3's SP was compared to ME and ME2, not to mention that most of the people with the creative talent who made those two great games are no longer in Bioware, it's a safe assumption to say this new SP campaign will suck, especially when we're dealing with the blank canvas that is Andromeda. Going to a new galaxy allows the devs to choose which lore to keep and which to scrap and feels like a cheap and easy way to explain away the abortion of an ending that was ME3.

 

Hopefully, some people with creative talent step up and make lore that is just as interesting as in Milky Way (lore that could and should have been fully explored, but probably never will be), but I'm not holding my breath. MP was close to perfect and only requires a few additions and improvements to continue being great, so therefore, it would take a lot of work to screw it up. That's why MP is the safer bet of the two right now and that's why it should be given just as much importance as SP. Which is all just as irrelevant as this thread is because two different studios will be giving 100% attention to both components.

 

As for the frankly pathetic reaction by some to having MP (and MP people) around, I'll only say this once, then it's back to trolling because I know this won't get through some of your thick skulls. You are a discredit to the SP forum community. By taking everything way too seriously and looking down on other forum users, you're basically making yourselves look like clowns in the eyes of anyone with the least bit of common sense. You're also stirring up genuine hatred between SP forum users and MP forum users and how the mods haven't clamped down on that is just another failing on their part. Lighten up, pull those giant iron rods from out your a** and realise this forum is to discuss ALL aspects of ME:A. There is nothing no more intellectual in the lore or romance discussions than there is in the MP discussions. If you want real intellectual discussions, go to one of the many scientific forums out there and discuss things that really matter. This is science fiction and the basis of being here is not "I'm more intellectual than you because I discuss lore", it's basically everyone who's enjoyed this series getting excited about the new game discussing the things that will interest them the most. There's nothing stupid or intellectual about this. There is nothing based off of intelligence in these conversations, simply we're all just appreciating the games. By commenting on people being kiddies or morons or whatever, you're basically just showing your lack of maturity for all the world to see. If you don't like something, don't read it and don't respond to it. You'll find we'll all get on a little bit better because of it.

[LemurFromTheId]

I don't have a problem with multiplayer being in the game but it should generally stay as is and not be the priority.  At it's heart ME is a single player franchise.  I didn't go out and wait in line at the midnight release of ME 3 in 2012 to to play as some random turian or salarian in MP.  I stood in line to get the game so I could finish up Shepard's story.  It was the journey of Commander Shepard and the Normandy crew that invested me in Mass Effect.  Mass Effects 1 and 2 didn't have nor did they need multiplayer to make them great games, they were great games because of the adventures they took us on as Commander Shepard.  There is absolutely nothing in multiplayer that can compare to the moments we experienced in Shepard's story.  So yeah I get a little pissed when these MP trolls who are usually just flavor of the month gamers anyway come in here with ritalin addled 5 minute attention span brains and start spewing that MP should be a priority over SP.  That crap might fly with other franchises who's games consist of short 7 to 10 hour campaigns but not Mass Effect.

 

Such arrogance.

 

You don't get to decide what the "heart" of the series is. ME3 was a single-player franchise - until ME3. As it happens, ME3 failed as a single-player game, so if that's truly the heart of the game, then the heart is rotten. Good thing then, that its soul - the multiplayer component - is intact.

 

The multiplayer has it's own highlight moments that not only compare to single-player experiences, but often surpass it too. I have waded through hordes of ravagers on the surface of Tuchanka, only to butt heads with my fellow krogans after a glorious victory. I've stood with my sisters to defend Thessia with our combined biotic might. I've taken part in covert N7 missions to deal devastating strikes against Cerberus all over the galaxy. I've stood alone against waves after waves of Collectors with nothing but my trusty Claymore at my side - and lived to tell the tale. I've fought, I've won, I've bled, I've suffered... all as part of a movement bigger than any of us, to keep our galaxy safe and to take the fight to the reapers.

 

You also don't get to call us "flavor of the month gamers". ME3MP fans are the biggest fans of the the franchise. How many times have you played through the campaign? What about the other hardcore SP campaign players? Because the time I've spend on multiplayer is equal to roughly 30-40 campaign playthroughs, and there are many, many players who have played more than I have, even several times more.

[The Elder King]

Nobody can decide what's the core of MEA except Bioware.
I guess that when the time comes we'll see complaints either way.

[Grieving Natashina]

If someone isn't allowed to tell others what the "heart" of this series is, why does someone get to say what the "soul" of this series is?  Also, does amount of time make someone truly more or less of a fan?  What about people that are new to the series?  I heard the outrage over ME3 for years before I even touched the series.  I played the series for the first time last year.  I've played it through almost 4xs since then (my vid card died recently.)  I don't have the time to do multiple playthroughs in a row, nor do I have the time for MP.  I remember when I used to have that time.  I used to do world and battleground PvP in WoW quite a bit, and it was great fun.  I don't have that kind of time anymore.

 

The ending to ME3 was fairly weak, especially once the Starkid hit the screen, but otherwise, the SP campaign didn't "fail" for everyone.  I quite enjoyed it.  I'm not saying my opinion is more valid than anyone elses, but I don't think it's fair to say objectively the SP in ME3 failed.  Then there is the amount of hours played.  Are you discounting people that haven't owned it as long?  What about people with families, full time jobs?  Folks that might not be able to have done the same amount of time you have, because they don't have time to?

 

I'm glad folks have had hundreds of hours since 2012 to play ME3MP.  I'm happy they enjoyed it, because I think both types of players are helping keep the company going.  I wouldn't call anyone a "Flavor of the Month Gamer" just because they had more fun with MP.  Their experience and dollar is every bit as valid as the people who either exclusively play single player, or for those that like both.  I don't understand anyone should be insulting about it.  

 

Many of us have spent hundreds of hours throughout the years playing BioWare games, but some only discovered some entries more recently.  It doesn't make someone more or less of a fan because of the time they played.  If they enjoyed it, and want more to come, I don't care if it's someone that likes MP or SP or both.  

[LemurFromTheId]

If someone isn't allowed to tell others what the "heart" of this series is, why does someone get to say what the "soul" of this series is?  Also, does amount of time make someone truly more or less of a fan?  What about people that are new to the series?  I heard the "outrage" over ME3 for years before I even touched the series.  I played the series for the first time last year.  I've played it through almost 4xs since then (my vid card died recently.)  I don't have the time to do multiple playthroughs in a row, nor do I have the time for MP.  I remember when I used to, and it was great fun.   The ending to ME3 was fairly weak, especially once the Starkid hit the screen, but otherwise, are you discounting people that haven't owned it as long?  What about people with families, full time jobs?  Folks that might not be able to have done the same amount of time you have, because they don't have time to?

 

I'm glad folks have had hundreds of hours since 2012 to play ME3MP.  I'm happy they enjoyed it, because I think both types of players are helping keep the company going.  I wouldn't call anyone a "Flavor of the Month Gamer" just because they had more fun with MP.  Their experience and dollar is every bit as valid as the people who either exclusively play single player, or for those that like both.  I don't understand anyone should be insulting about it.   Many of us have spent hundreds of hours throughout the years playing BioWare games, but some only discovered some entires more recently.  It doesn't make someone more or less of a fan because of the time they played.  

 

No, I don't get to say what the soul is. That was very much the point. I was underlining the issue, there.

 

And no, how big of a fan you are doesn't really depend on the hours you've spent with the game, but one sure as hell doesn't get to belittle people who've spent 500+ hours with the game.

[My other account is banned]

If someone isn't allowed to tell others what the "heart" of this series is, why does someone get to say what the "soul" of this series is?  Also, does amount of time make someone truly more or less of a fan?  What about people that are new to the series?  I heard the outrage over ME3 for years before I even touched the series.  I played the series for the first time last year.  I've played it through almost 4xs since then (my vid card died recently.)  I don't have the time to do multiple playthroughs in a row, nor do I have the time for MP.  I remember when I used to have that time.  I used to do world and battleground PvP in WoW quite a bit, and it was great fun.  I don't have that kind of time anymore.

 

The ending to ME3 was fairly weak, especially once the Starkid hit the screen, but otherwise, the SP campaign didn't "fail" for everyone.  I quite enjoyed it.  I'm not saying my opinion is more valid than anyone elses, but I don't think it's fair to say objectively the SP in ME3 failed.  Then there is the amount of hours played.  Are you discounting people that haven't owned it as long?  What about people with families, full time jobs?  Folks that might not be able to have done the same amount of time you have, because they don't have time to?

 

I'm glad folks have had hundreds of hours since 2012 to play ME3MP.  I'm happy they enjoyed it, because I think both types of players are helping keep the company going.  I wouldn't call anyone a "Flavor of the Month Gamer" just because they had more fun with MP.  Their experience and dollar is every bit as valid as the people who either exclusively play single player, or for those that like both.  I don't understand anyone should be insulting about it.  

 

Many of us have spent hundreds of hours throughout the years playing BioWare games, but some only discovered some entries more recently.  It doesn't make someone more or less of a fan because of the time they played.  If they enjoyed it, and want more to come, I don't care if it's someone that likes MP or SP or both.  

 

Tbh, the reason you don't understand is because, speaking on my behalf, what I said wasn't aimed at you. You're obviously one of the more level headed posters on the SP forum, who appreciates that there is an MP element in ME3 and respect the fact that said element has a large fan base. I don't think Aedolon was saying people who play less are less of a fan, he was merely stating this to the more immature members of the SP community that people who sink as much time into MP has just as much right to be called hardcore ME3 fans as SP players.

 

You have to realise that not many SP posters would agree with you and some have turned to downright hostility against MP players simply for being... MP players... 

[Vapaa]

That's going to be a long year and a half...

[Grieving Natashina]

No, I don't get to say what the soul is. That was very much the point. I was underlining the issue, there.

 

And no, how big of a fan you are doesn't really depend on the hours you've spent with the game, but one sure as hell doesn't get to belittle people who've spent 500+ hours with the game.

No arguments from me.  I think we'll all fans of the same world/galaxy, at the very least.  SP or MP, it's obvious that this world and story engaged us all in some way.  Impacted us to one degree or another.  I don't understand the hostility is all.  I get why it happens.  It's just like PvP vs PvE, or any number of similar arguments over the years.  I'm not naive, and I apologize if my post sounded like a lecture.  It was meant with the best of intentions.

 

I know a lot of the SP and MP crowd might not agree with me.  Some folks are going to continue this debate, get ugly at times, and I know I can't change that.  It's just who I am, someone that tries to get others to see a possible middle ground.  I'd still rather see fans celebrating our similarities rather than rip one another apart for something like this.   I know it's like sticking my finger into a dam to a degree, but I know gamers in general are better than we act sometimes. 

[My other account is banned]

No arguments from me.  I think we'll all fans of the same world/galaxy, at the very least.  SP or MP, it's obvious that this world and story engaged us all in some way.  Impacted us to one degree or another.  I don't understand the hostility is all.  I get why it happens.  It's just like PvP vs PvE, or any number of similar arguments over the years.  I'm not naive, and I apologize if my post sounded like a lecture.  It was meant with the best of intentions.

 

I know a lot of the SP and MP crowd might not agree with me.  Some folks are going to continue this debate, get ugly at times, and I know I can't change that.  It's just who I am, someone that tries to get others to see a possible middle ground.  I'd still rather see fans celebrating our similarities rather than rip one another apart for something like this.   I know it's like sticking my finger into a dam to a degree, but I know gamers in general are better than we act sometimes. 

 

One of the most sensible posts I've seen on this new forum. 

 

Since you're being nice, know that I'll probably be "debating" and getting my share of laughs from it, especially since I know people won't learn their lessons for the reasons I stated in my first post on this page, but that I hold no hostility towards the SP community as a whole. I appreciate that ME and ME2 are two of my favourite games of all time thanks to the amazing single player campaigns.

 

I know every community has bad apples (we have them in our community surprise, surprise), so it's only natural that hostility develops. I'm no saint myself. I have a not so guilty pleasure of adding fuel to the fire of stupidity, which is why...

 

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[Geth Supremacy]

No arguments from me.  I think we'll all fans of the same world/galaxy, at the very least.  SP or MP, it's obvious that this world and story engaged us all in some way.  Impacted us to one degree or another.  I don't understand the hostility is all.  I get why it happens.  It's just like PvP vs PvE, or any number of similar arguments over the years.  I'm not naive, and I apologize if my post sounded like a lecture.  It was meant with the best of intentions.

 

I know a lot of the SP and MP crowd might not agree with me.  Some folks are going to continue this debate, get ugly at times, and I know I can't change that.  It's just who I am, someone that tries to get others to see a possible middle ground.  I'd still rather see fans celebrating our similarities rather than rip one another apart for something like this.   I know it's like sticking my finger into a dam to a degree, but I know gamers in general are better than we act sometimes. 

 

You are the hardest person on this forum for me to "get".  I'm not saying I expect everyone to conform in a pattern or anything, but there are so many times where you are so logical to me and I can get where you come from 100%  Like right now.  Then there are other times its like a 180 like your view on "White Privilege"  I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just making a point that I am on the same page with you a lot of the time and then bam I see something I don't expect from you.

 

As a whole I see you as a very down to earth and very logical person.  Aside from when they are trolling that is what a lot of the MEMP community is like.  I don't feel like you should take a side or anything I agree with SP and MP both being viable, but you just seem like the personality that would be gravitated towards the MP and its community in a large way.

 

I'm not a member of it, but I understand the PC crowd is still going extremely strong.  I hope you've given the MP a fair shake.  I enjoy the depth the MP has.....especially compared to all the crap games they release these days.  I could see you being a big MP fan.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

One of the most sensible posts I've seen on this new forum.  

 

Since you're being nice, know that I'll probably be "debating" and getting my share of laughs from it, especially since I know people won't learn their lessons for the reasons I stated in my first post on this page, but that I hold no hostility towards the SP community as a whole. I appreciate that ME and ME2 are two of my favourite games of all time thanks to the amazing single player campaigns.

 

I know every community has bad apples (we have them in our community surprise, surprise), so it's only natural that hostility develops. I'm no saint myself. I have a not so guilty pleasure of adding fuel to the fire of stupidity, which is why...

 

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Thank you.  I try hard.  I normally hang out in the DA forums, but if I had to read much more of TW fans and DA fans bickering constantly, I was gonna go nuts.  I know that it's much the same here, if not worse to a degree.  However, at least the debate is about the ME games themselves without continuously dragging another series into it.

 

I feel lucky I got into ME when I did.  I knew about the endings, and yes, I was yelling profanties at my screen during the Starbrat segment.   That aside, I can safely say I enjoyed all three games quite a bit.  I'm glad that my friends on the DA forums encouraged me to give it a try.  It was my first shooter, which is an odd thing to read coming from someone that's played video games for over 30 years.  

 

I have a theory that I think some of the reason why we get so passionate is because...all we have is our words.  We have our words, our opinions.  We use smilies and gifs to try to convey body language and facial expressions.  Sometimes, we cling to those so tightly that I think we lose sight of what we have in common.  I've been very guilty of this too in the past.  Now I at least try to see a middle ground, and learn new opinions.  I've got friends that I debate with a lot on the forums, but we get along.

 

Debating is one thing, but insults?  Well, most of the people that I've gotten the privilege to speak with in private are overall awesome, smart people that are excited about the games.  Even the ones that sometimes get really frustrated and lash out on the forums on occasion.  That's why I know we can do better than that.  

 

@Arishok: I don't talk about "white privilege."  Like, ever.  I don't use the term "straight privilege" or privilege in general.  I think it's too much of a hot-button word, and can be way too misconstrued.  I do find it silly when folks start complaining about real world demographics needing to be applied to fantasy games in oddly specific areas, but I have never, ever talked about "white privilege" nor do I ever tell someone to check theirs.  If others do that, it's one thing, but I personally find it rude. 

 

I'm glad you enjoy my posts, and if I throw you off sometimes....well, I'm not apologizing for it.  It's just who I am.  

 

I'll also be honest: I don't get along with most MP crowds actually.  They are way too competitive for my taste more often than not.  For games with good SP, I prefer to take things at my own pace.

[Geth Supremacy]

@Arishok: I don't talk about "white privilege."  Like, ever.  I don't use the term "straight privilege" or privilege in general.  I think it's too much of a hot-button word, and can be way too misconstrued.  I do find it silly when folks start complaining about real world demographics being applied to fantasy games in oddly specific areas, but I have never, ever talked about "white privilege" nor do I ever tell someone to check theirs.  If others do that, it's one thing, but I personally find it rude. 

 

I'll also be honest: I don't get along with most MP crowds actually.  They are way too competitive for my taste more often than not.  For games with good SP, I prefer to take things at my own pace.

 

I think your sig makes your feelings on it clear (i could be mistaken though), but I agree it is a hot button and something I don't want to start.  I was just piggybacking off of that as a point that surprised me just as being how you are I am surprised you are not a huge MP fan.  It was just a correlation of being unexpected from my point of view.

 

ME3MP is about getting paid and getting the W.  It is not really competitive at all.  I guess people could battle for top score, but it is a co op game and you fight AI.  Not really competitive in any way.  This is why it is right for you!  If you do find people like that just laugh at them and find a new room

 

If you do not wish to get into it then more power to you.  I would bet money you would love it if you gave it a fair shot.  You can play power based characters while your weapons are low level and worthless and still do well.  Either way it was just an observation.  As long as you enjoy your gaming time that is all that matters.  I'm jealous of PC players anyways.  I mean yeah they cheat on everything, but when you see one with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge, and Nova...its just like...... I want that Bioware! Give me one!