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[Grieving Natashina]

It wasn't so much that Allan was discussing White Privilege.  It was more the fact that he was talking about some very personal and dark times in his life and how he came to the place he is today.  I found it a little heroic, because it takes guts to be that open on a gaming forum.  More so if they are a developer.  I look at that post sometimes, and remember why I'm not afraid to get personal from time to time.  I've talked freely about some of the very dark moments from my past, because I know it can help others sometimes.  I hope that makes sense.  

 

I was heavily into PvP for WoW and I had a lot of friends of mine deep into PvP for Quake, Starcraft and other games.  I know it's not meant to be hostile, but I'm not always that great at games like this.  Not even for the "scrub" level.  The MP community isn't always kind.  For me personally, I never play MP, aside from some friendly matches of SC2 or Civ with my husband.  I might try DAMP, because I'm more into that series and I have some forumites I've known for over a year that have offered to play some matches with me.

 

Ha, well being a PC gamer has it's pros and cons.  I would never cheat in PvP/MP.  Anyone that does should get banned imho.  On the upside, I get some prettier graphics and mods.  On the downside, you have things that can break down unexpectedly.  My video card died about 2 weeks ago.  I'm using on-board graphics until I get a new one.  I can afford it and it's coming tomorrow, but it was about $330 bucks.  Console gamers don't have mods, but I've noticed they tend to usually have more stable games.  Usually.  If something on their Xbone/PS4 breaks, then they spend the money I just did if not less to replace the whole unit.  

 

You can tell that's another divide in the gaming community that I think is asinine.

[My other account is banned]

I think your sig makes your feelings on it clear (i could be mistaken though), but I agree it is a hot button and something I don't want to start.  I was just piggybacking off of that as a point that surprised me just as being how you are I am surprised you are not a huge MP fan.  It was just a correlation of being unexpected from my point of view.

 

ME3MP is about getting paid and getting the W.  It is not really competitive at all.  I guess people could battle for top score, but it is a co op game and you fight AI.  Not really competitive in any way.  This is why it is right for you!  If you do find people like that just laugh at them and find a new room

 

If you do not wish to get into it then more power to you.  I would bet money you would love it if you gave it a fair shot.  You can play power based characters while your weapons are low level and worthless and still do well.  Either way it was just an observation.  As long as you enjoy your gaming time that is all that matters.  I'm jealous of PC players anyways.  I mean yeah they cheat on everything, but when you see one with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge, and Nova...its just like...... I want that Bioware! Give me one!

 

For the record, we laugh at players that get too competitive on ME3MP on the MP forum. You'll actually find most of us nice people and pretty enjoyable to play with if you can get past the fact a lot of people like to "troll" sometimes (because one person's fun is another person's troll. Anything that hasn't been taken seriously doesn't automatically mean troll).

 

The reason a lot of us love MP is because we've made a lot of great friends out of it, friends that we talk to and play with in other games now. If anyone is being genuinely competitive or throwing their epeen in your face and being serious, it's just because they're being stupid and haven't really got any epeen to begin with. This is coming from someone who enjoys competitive multiplayers and PvP. But I love to play ME3 to relax and enjoy talking to friends, most of whom aren't competitive in the least when playing ME3MP. It is co-op after all and the score means very little.

[Paulomedi]

Both SP and MP can coexist in peace. I think the SP team is already focused on making a great (one would hope) campaign, and the MP team - which is presumably separate from the SP team - is going to focus on making MP the best that it can be. 

 

Sometimes I think the more melodramatic people on both sides of the SP/MP fence should just go whip out their omni-blades and duel each other to death - that or they should consider joining together to stage a performance of Hamlet Elcor-style. Either one of those options would be more entertaining than the ongoing silliness in the various SP/MP threads.

 

 Post and sig are accurate.

 

 People do take this too seriously.

[Sartoz]

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There appears to be 200 +/- people working on MA:A development. According to Shinobi602. Also, Chris Wynn has revealed that the single-player component in Mass Effect 4 will be ‘massive’ in scope.

 

Furthermore:

Writing on Twitter, Wynn also confirmed that the main campaign won’t be affected by the online portion .

 

 

If anyone is concerned that online will take away from single player, I assure you that SP will be MASSIVE in the next Mass Effect.

— Chris Wynn (@The1Wynn) February 12, 2015

 

So, posters demanding MP first or support such an idea are just shooting blanks.

 

What is to worry about, though, is how this massive 200 system Helius Cluster will be fun and interesting to play. Boring quests is the result of large size areas in DAI. How can Mako exploration avoid tedious play. Repetitive exploration will likely occur because there are simply a finite number of  different terrain planet types (ie: forests, jungles, polar, deserts, aquatic, balanced, human habitable, heavy G planets).  

 

So, you explored one, then plop down on another similar one. Sounds like those repetitive/reused caverns in DA2. That is what has me worried  because, then. announcing a 200 system cluster is just marketing. And we know all about Mike Laidlaw's marketing about a famous PC game.....

 

The question is can Bio make exploration of said 200 systems diverse enough to avoid boredom?

 

And I bet that many of said 200 are just empty, contain only asteroid belts or have Jupiter/Saturn type planets impossible to explore. But, announcing 200 is "massive".

[LemurFromTheId]

Boring quests is the result of large size areas in DAI.

 

It's the result of poorly chosen priorities and bad design decisions. TW3 is massive, yet there's a noticeable lack of boring quests.

[KotorEffect3]

It's the result of poorly chosen priorities and bad design decisions. TW3 is massive, yet there's a noticeable lack of boring quests.

While I hate to give TW3 any credit due to some of their insufferable fans it should be noted that game has absolutely zero multiplayer and yet it is a coincidence that it has very very strong sidequests?  I think not.  Now I am not saying bioware should axe multiplayer in their games because well EA will make them include MP in their games anyway but the more emphasis you put into SP the more quality content you will get.  People complained about fetch quests in both  ME 3 and DAI.  Now in ME 3's case they didn't bother me because most of the time it just included a bit of planet scanning on the way to a real mission but you know with more SP resources some of those quests probably could have been turned into real full fledged squad on the ground quests.

[JGDD]

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There appears to be 200 +/- peoplde working on MA:A development. According to Shinobi602. Also, Chris Wynn has revealed that the single-player component in Mass Effect 4 will be ‘massive’ in scope.

 

Furthermore:

Writing on Twitter, Wynn also confirmed that the main campaign won’t be affected by the online portion .

 

 

If anyone is concerned that online will take away from single player, I assure you that SP will be MASSIVE in the next Mass Effect.

— Chris Wynn (@The1Wynn) February 12, 2015

 

So, posters demanding MP first or support such an idea are just shooting blanks.

 

What is to worry about, though, is how this massive 200 system Helius Cluster will be fun and interesting to play. Boring quests is the result of large size areas in DAI. How can Mako exploration avoid tedious play. Repetitive exploration will likely occur because there are simply a finite number of  different terrain planet types (ie: forests, jungles, polar, deserts, aquatic, balanced, human habitable, heavy G planets).  

 

So, you explored one, then plop down on another similar one. Sounds like those repetitive/reused caverns in DA2. That is what has me worried  because, then. announcing a 200 system cluster is just marketing. And we know all about Mike Laidlaw's marketing about a famous PC game.....

 

The question is can Bio make exploration of said 200 systems diverse enough to avoid boredom?

 

And I bet that many of said 200 are just empty, contain only asteroid belts or have Jupiter/Saturn type planets impossible to explore. But, announcing 200 is "massive".

How did you get 200 systems from 200 people working on the project?

[Deerber]

One of the most sensible posts I've seen on this new forum. 

 

Since you're being nice, know that I'll probably be "debating" and getting my share of laughs from it, especially since I know people won't learn their lessons for the reasons I stated in my first post on this page, but that I hold no hostility towards the SP community as a whole. I appreciate that ME and ME2 are two of my favourite games of all time thanks to the amazing single player campaigns.

 

I know every community has bad apples (we have them in our community surprise, surprise), so it's only natural that hostility develops. I'm no saint myself. I have a not so guilty pleasure of adding fuel to the fire of stupidity, which is why...

 

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Thank you.  I try hard.  I normally hang out in the DA forums, but if I had to read much more of TW fans and DA fans bickering constantly, I was gonna go nuts.  I know that it's much the same here, if not worse to a degree.  However, at least the debate is about the ME games themselves without continuously dragging another series into it.

 

I feel lucky I got into ME when I did.  I knew about the endings, and yes, I was yelling profanties at my screen during the Starbrat segment.   That aside, I can safely say I enjoyed all three games quite a bit.  I'm glad that my friends on the DA forums encouraged me to give it a try.  It was my first shooter, which is an odd thing to read coming from someone that's played video games for over 30 years.  

 

I have a theory that I think some of the reason why we get so passionate is because...all we have is our words.  We have our words, our opinions.  We use smilies and gifs to try to convey body language and facial expressions.  Sometimes, we cling to those so tightly that I think we lose sight of what we have in common.  I've been very guilty of this too in the past.  Now I at least try to see a middle ground, and learn new opinions.  I've got friends that I debate with a lot on the forums, but we get along.

 

Debating is one thing, but insults?  Well, most of the people that I've gotten the privilege to speak with in private are overall awesome, smart people that are excited about the games.  Even the ones that sometimes get really frustrated and lash out on the forums on occasion.  That's why I know we can do better than that.  

 

@Arishok: I don't talk about "white privilege."  Like, ever.  I don't use the term "straight privilege" or privilege in general.  I think it's too much of a hot-button word, and can be way too misconstrued.  I do find it silly when folks start complaining about real world demographics needing to be applied to fantasy games in oddly specific areas, but I have never, ever talked about "white privilege" nor do I ever tell someone to check theirs.  If others do that, it's one thing, but I personally find it rude. 

 

I'm glad you enjoy my posts, and if I throw you off sometimes....well, I'm not apologizing for it.  It's just who I am.  

 

I'll also be honest: I don't get along with most MP crowds actually.  They are way too competitive for my taste more often than not.  For games with good SP, I prefer to take things at my own pace.

 

 

 

Dammit you guys!! Can we please stop being rational and nice and go along all together and instead keep having fun poking at the hot heads around here? It's fun, I swear! You just have to take things lightly
 

... No?

 

... Okay, then. I'll behave.

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of

[LemurFromTheId]

 

It's the result of poorly chosen priorities and bad design decisions. TW3 is massive, yet there's a noticeable lack of boring quests.

While I hate to give TW3 any credit due to some of their insufferable fans it should be noted that game has absolutely zero multiplayer and yet it is a coincidence that it has very very strong sidequests?  I think not.  Now I am not saying bioware should axe multiplayer in their games because well EA will make them include MP in their games anyway but the more emphasis you put into SP the more quality content you will get.  People complained about fetch quests in both  ME 3 and DAI.  Now in ME 3's case they didn't bother me because most of the time it just included a bit of planet scanning on the way to a real mission but you know with more SP resources some of those quests probably could have been turned into real full fledged squad on the ground quests.

 

What does multiplayer have anything to do it? Are you talking about budget? I'd bet DA:I had a bigger budget than TW3, but even if it was slightly smaller, that doesn't explain the difference.

 

DA:I is full of fetch quests. TW3 has practically none. (And hell, that doesn't even begin to describe the difference in the quality of the quests in those games.) It's not a question of Bioware not having enough money, it's a question of priorities and design decisions, like I said. They could've made a smaller game with decent sidequests. They chose to make a bigger game with crappy sidequets.

[Heathen Oxman]

because when you don't have an actual argument to bring to the table, just use the tired "COD kiddies" trope.

BTW we did an average age thread on the MP forums, and it came out to somewhere in the mid to late thirties. I was among the youngest at 23 years old. Just because we like to poke useless scrubs for hiliariously OOT and overly dramatic shitposts on MP being the downfall of humanity doesn't make us immature, quite the opposite in fact.

 

Actually, yeah it does.

 

And I don't think MP players are "kiddies," I think people who need to hide behind computer screens and start useless arguments are "kiddies," regardless of their actual age.

[L. Han]

I get annoyed by how people constantly claim "the online portion won't affect the main campaign". Of all people to know this, developers should know this the best. There's only a finite amount of resources and time you can put into a project. Having some, or a lot, allocated to adding more content to multiplayer is going to be coming out of their budget.

 

Unless they decide to recycle all the assets from the campaign with little to no unique stuff, then the online portion of the game will be more or less tacked on.

[Deerber]

Actually, yeah it does.

 

And I don't think MP players are "kiddies," I think people who need to hide behind computer screens and start useless arguments are "kiddies," regardless of their actual age.

 

Fite me IRL!!!

 

 

 

 

... Dammit, I did it again!

[Star fury]

Ironically the ME3 singleplayer had an astounding amount of drama and controversy while the ME3 multiplayer was one of it's bright spots.

[LemurFromTheId]

I get annoyed by how people constantly claim "the online portion won't affect the main campaign". Of all people to know this, developers should know this the best. There's only a finite amount of resources and time you can put into a project. Having some, or a lot, allocated to adding more content to multiplayer is going to be coming out of their budget.

 

Unless they decide to recycle all the assets from the campaign with little to no unique stuff, then the online portion of the game will be more or less tacked on.

 

Here's a totally FREE mind-blowing fact for you: the online component also makes the budget bigger.

[Heathen Oxman]

Fite me IRL!!!

 

 

 

 

... Dammit, I did it again!

 

You and me in a swimming pool filled with chocolate pudding.

 

At midnight.

 

BE THERE.

[The Elder King]

Here's a totally FREE mind-blowing fact for you: the online component also makes the budget bigger.

I think some people don't believe MP has a separate budget.

[L. Han]

Here's a totally FREE mind-blowing fact for you: the online component also makes the budget bigger.

 

And here's another mind-blowing fact about making videogames: it's not all about the money!

[L. Han]

I think some people don't believe MP has a separate budget.

 

You have to be ignorant to believe that. There's a finite amount of cash EA can shell out for a project. They are still under the same umbrella and don't have an infinite reserve for everything. Manpower, man-hours, servers, the list goes on.

 

Even if they do make back a buck, they are going to shell themselves with new issues. Such as an anti-cheating system, for example.

[JGDD]

And here's another mind-blowing fact about making videogames: it's not all about the money!

Without that money there wouldn't be much to argue about. Money matters these days.

[Deerber]

You and me in a swimming pool filled with chocolate pudding.

 

At midnight.

 

BE THERE.

 

I'll have you known, I was a competitive swimmer in my youth! Be warned!

 

 

and I'm now a competitive chocolate eater

[The Elder King]

You have to be ignorant to believe that. There's a finite amount of cash EA can shell out for a project. They are still under the same umbrella and don't have an infinite reserve for everything. Manpower, man-hours, servers, the list goes on.
 
Even if they do make back a buck, they are going to shell themselves with new issues. Such as an anti-cheating system, for example.

I know, but I saw people denying this.

[LemurFromTheId]

I think some people don't believe MP has a separate budget.

 

It's not really a question of separate budgets. EA will simply allocate more resources for a game with MP than for a game with SP only.

 

And here's another mind-blowing fact about making videogames: it's not all about the money!

 

Correct, but budget is still enormously important. And it's you who complained about MP eating into the budget, not me.

 

But there's more. While everyone's bitching about MP's negative effect on SP, few people realize that it will have a positive effect too. For example, all the exprience Bioware gathered from experimenting with new powers and weapons and mechanics in ME3MP will definitely pay off in MEA.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

Actually, yeah it does.

 

And I don't think MP players are "kiddies," I think people who need to hide behind computer screens and start useless arguments are "kiddies," regardless of their actual age.

Not really. People who hold irrational opinions deserve to have them challenged publicly. It's good for them.

Uhhhh....this entire thread's premise is trollbait in case you haven't noticed. Yet you only judge the MP posters who recognized this, and have turned it on its head to the point where it is now full of butthurt SP only extremists spewing literal nonsense? Lol@ hiding accusations. It's not my fault that people who shitpost uninformed opinions on an internet forum don't like being called out. You going to ask to 1v1 me IRL next or something?

The CoD comparisons cement it. The series have literally nothing in common with one another conceptually apart from using a gun to shoot things being part of the gameplay and that both have a SP and MP component, vague qualifiers which encompass probably about 75% of the titles released on video game market at this point. False equivalence at its finest. If you want to use such arguments you probably shouldn't make them from complete ignorance of the subjects in question. You could just as easily compare it to Gran Turismo because you drive the Mako and Hammerhead.

If you don't want to be poked and laughed at, you should stop being hilarious [wo]manchildren with kindergarten level critical thinking skills making absurdist arguments as "goback2CoD" aka "you like what I don't, and CoD is something I don't like as well, so you should go away". If you want to insult or troll the tastes of others, you shouldn't cry when they insult and troll right back.

[Heathen Oxman]

I'll have you known, I was a competitive swimmer in my youth! Be warned!

 

 

and I'm now a competitive chocolate eater

 

And I'm a black belt Kung Fu artist trained in the style of the Platypus.

 

YOU WILL FAIL!

[LemurFromTheId]

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I unliked this just so I could like it again!