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[The Baconer]

Just use Cheat Engine.

[AlanC9]

Because I want to be as strong as I can be, as well as my party. That and it's nice knowing that once I'm finally done... I'm done. No more worrying about equipment again. No more needing to worry about crafting anything else, or picking up any equipment found in the field, or needing to worry if my equipment isn't good enough for whatever area I'm in. Once I get it over with, I don't have to think about my equipment ever again because I already know I've pretty much got the best of the best already. It's to last me from then until end-game, and possibly longer if I save Jaws of Hakkon for after the main game.

...Well, that's not entirely true. I didn't have enough dragonbone, only had about 12 of them. Later, after I've killed even more of them, I'll remake my character's equipment with dragon materials. But that won't be stressful since I'll already have everything needed and dragon material will only be for my character, so I won't have to worry about grinding or farming or about the rest of the party's equipment.

Just so I understand the game design issue, what you're looking for is a game where you get the best possible equipment well before the end of the game? And don't have to go very far out of your way to get it?

[Scofield]

I find if i naturally progress through the game i end up with enough gold to buy the schematics from frostback basin as soon as i enter that place, before that tbh t2 is good enough for any zone in vanilla experience

 

At this point im hoping for some armor schematic dlc which offer full customization, for me there aint enough of it an certainly not enough which is diverse 

[Forsythia77]

That's the level that tier 3 materials and final tier 3 schematics open up in the black emporium. Which means that's the time when you have to spend an hour farming money with the item dupe to reach about 500,000 gold, then go buy all the tier 3 materials and schematics, and then you have to spend another hour or 2 making armor and helmets and weapons and weapon and armor upgrades and then getting everyone's armor colored well. Duping helps since I can take an awesome rogue armor (for example) with good upgrades and duplicate it to give to all the rogues in the party, but it only helps so much. Especially since I like some armor's looks on some characters instead of others, so duping a coat when one of the rogues looks best in mail doesn't help much. First playthrough took 4 hours, this second one only took 3. But 3 hours of just dealing with buying materials and crafting is so bloody boring and annoying. Level 16 is definitely a level to dread on future playthroughs.

 

I've.... never done this in any video game. I don't have that kind of energy.  I cobble together the best stuff I can with the money and materials I have and do it to it.  That's not to say I don't go the the Hissing Wastes to get the Nevarrite and Gurn hide so I can have purple armor for my team, but I get enough to make them armor and that's that.  I typically scrape together enough money to get one really awesome tier three armor/weapon style for each class.  I've only ever bought one staff schematic from the black emporium - the one with the three dragons on it because it looks cool (it wasn't the best staff I crafted though.. go figure) I've got dragons to kill and Cullen to romance. 

[Aerebos]

Just use Cheat Engine.

 

I did a few times. It's fun a at first, but there is a level of 'funness' taken out of the game, for me in the least. 

For me crafting when new tiers are discovered or open up is fun. Farming is fun while frequently going into battles and running into quest items and such. 
But this is an aspect of the game, especially if you're the OCD gamer when it comes to having the best stuff. 

Having awesome gear is fun. Working for it may not be. But we work to earn the reward. 

Shrug that's what makes a game fun lol

[Dieb]

Uh... Yeah? What gamer doesn't try to get the best gear they can if they have a choice? Besides challenge runners, I mean?

 

I have Tier 1 & 2 armor pieces on my Inquisitor, no helmets on some group members (cause I still want them to be visible for Cole and my Inquisitor) // I gave Blackwall a way weaker weapon than availible because he should carry a sword // I never use Focus skills cause I dislike this kind of mechanic in all games // I have a steady party of three rogue and a warrior // ... [...]

 

Blah blah blah etc, still finished my first (and only thus far) playthrough on Nightmare, including JoW.

 

"Best" is a matter of taste. Just use the stuff you have the most fun and feel cool/confident with and be smart about your battles. Don't beat yourself up over numbers. Sure they will help you, but when you crash & burn, it's mostly because of a conscious decision or oversight, not coming up a few digits too short.

[Sylvius the Mad]

That's the level that tier 3 materials and final tier 3 schematics open up in the black emporium. Which means that's the time when you have to spend an hour farming money with the item dupe to reach about 500,000 gold, then go buy all the tier 3 materials and...

Why are you buying materials?

I never bought materials, and I easily had all the materials I needed.

This was even true before JoH came out and made tier 3 minerals trivially easy to get.

And on PC, there's always cheat engine.

[c0bra951]

If you're going to go the exploit route, the green blobs that rifts drop behave just like chests.  Combine that tidbit with JoH.  Endless veil quartz, pure elemental-rune essences and important fade-touched items for everyone, plus big-buck "unique" weapons to sell off.

[Cobra's_back]

Uh... Yeah? What gamer doesn't try to get the best gear they can if they have a choice? Besides challenge runners, I mean?

Someone who wants a challenge. I went with loot drop up until the end. The tombs in hissing waste drops pretty good schematics. Black Emporium is too expensive. You really notice the difference playing with items dropped vs Black Emporium goods.

 

I used Hissing Waste merchant, Suledin Keep and "The Cradle of Sulevin" drops. The masterpiece Spike Bow tier three schematic is free and very powerful found in the Hissing waste tomb quest.

[Cobra's_back]

I have Tier 1 & 2 armor pieces on my Inquisitor, no helmets on some group members (cause I still want them to be visible for Cole and my Inquisitor) // I gave Blackwall a way weaker weapon than availible because he should carry a sword // I never use Focus skills cause I dislike this kind of mechanic in all games // I have a steady party of three rogue and a warrior // ... [...]

 

Blah blah blah etc, still finished my first (and only thus far) playthrough on Nightmare, including JoW.

 

"Best" is a matter of taste. Just use the stuff you have the most fun and feel cool/confident with and be smart about your battles. Don't beat yourself up over numbers. Sure they will help you, but when you crash & burn, it's mostly because of a conscious decision or oversight, not coming up a few digits too short.

 

 

True. Sadly, it is easy to over do it with crafting. Having said that by the end of the game the player should have enough schematics, raw materials and money to build what they needed without farming. Black Emporium was overpriced. Hissing Waste and Suledin Keep vendors were a better pick. If the player saves their cash they would have enough for the end game gear they wanted. Let's not forget "The Cradle of Sulevin" which is noted for tier 3 schematic drops.

[Cobra's_back]

Just so I understand the game design issue, what you're looking for is a game where you get the best possible equipment well before the end of the game? And don't have to go very far out of your way to get it?

 

That opens the other complaint where people think the game is too easy after they made god wear. I saw the same thing in Skyrim. People built god wear and then wondered why they didn't have a challenge. The game is all about choices. 

[Dieb]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Emporium.

 

However, I use it to obtain schematics I missed, or to buy materials of which I'm short by 2-3 units, to save myself some time. Alas, I don't view it as something that "accompanies" me throughout the game as a steady resource. It's sort of like an economical debug/dev console mode to me, and which I make use of as sparingly.

 

All I was saying is that I value style/form over function entirely, as well as selecting my party by personality & with a complete disregard for their strategic value, and it still works fine. I don't mind people (not that anybody needed my humble blessings) wanting to optimize things for the pleasure of it, which I fully understand, but claiming something is limiting or restrictive because of that, is just untrue.

[andy6915]

True. Sadly, it is easy to over do it with crafting. Having said that by the end of the game the player should have enough schematics, raw materials and money to build what they needed without farming. Black Emporium was overpriced. Hissing Waste and Suledin Keep vendors were a better pick. If the player saves their cash they would have enough for the end game gear they wanted. Let's not forget "The Cradle of Sulevin" which is noted for tier 3 schematic drops.

 

Materials are overpriced and so are the legendary schematics, but their basic schematics store next to the materials store is actually the cheapest store in the game for what it sells. Hissing wastes merchant sells the sturdy and superior "armor" type, and the emporium sells the sturdy and superior "coat" and "mail" types... And the emporium sells those for about half to a quarter the price the hissing wastes merchant sells its armor at. The armor type is supposed to be the same price as coat and mail variants, which means it comes down to the store. Another example: I found the magister staff schematic early in the game in Val Royeaux for a significant price for that point in the game, then went to the emporium and found the exact same schematic for roughly half the price. The non-legendary schematic shop in the emporium is actually the cheapest place in the game to buy armor schematics, it's nothing but discounts.

[Dabrikishaw]

When I get to level 16, I can finally get the Tier 3 mats needed to flesh out my characters power before getting more levels. Nowadays I'm usually level 20+ before hitting the Arbor Wilds. I really like the BE.

[sim-ran]

What a weirdo.

[Lee80]

Tier 4 materials and schematics (Jaws of Hakkon) are wear it's at.    Also, yeah I never really have to grind for materials.  I make custom gear for my main character and my second (or love interest if he's in party) and the rest deal with hand me downs or the best gear I can find.  Usually the found gear is more then adequate anyway.  Lets face it the Inquisitor is the one having to do the bulk of the work anyway, he/she's the only one who needs the best gear possible. 

[Cobra's_back]

Materials are overpriced and so are the legendary schematics, but their basic schematics store next to the materials store is actually the cheapest store in the game for what it sells. Hissing wastes merchant sells the sturdy and superior "armor" type, and the emporium sells the sturdy and superior "coat" and "mail" types... And the emporium sells those for about half to a quarter the price the hissing wastes merchant sells its armor at. The armor type is supposed to be the same price as coat and mail variants, which means it comes down to the store. Another example: I found the magister staff schematic early in the game in Val Royeaux for a significant price for that point in the game, then went to the emporium and found the exact same schematic for roughly half the price. The non-legendary schematic shop in the emporium is actually the cheapest place in the game to buy armor schematics, it's nothing but discounts.

 

Wow! Thanks. I didn't notice that. Good point.

[Elhanan]

Crafted my first set of armor for a Follower today, as Dorian's unique set of robes were not going too well in the Frostback Basin. All the other better sets had been sold or had vanished (looking at you, Solas), so rather than spend the gold, Dorian got some tailored Tier 3 Battlemage robes with Guard capabilities. Even tinted them a little to better match the Mage's sense of fashion (or as best as I am able due to my own lack of skill). No farming required.

[DreamSever]

that's always my feeling when I get to skyhold, its like wow, 300 war table missions which take 100 hours to complete and I know ill be there for 4 hours talking to companions

[andy6915]

This topic just keeps on getting back up when I think it's dead. Anyway, I was wrong. The boring crap level is 18, not 16.

[Forsythia77]

that's always my feeling when I get to skyhold, its like wow, 300 war table missions which take 100 hours to complete and I know ill be there for 4 hours talking to companions

 

If you want to cheat the system you can start some of the longer ones, quit the game, then set the clock ahead by a day on your PS4/XBox/Computer, then log back on and they will be done.  Or so I've heard - I've not actually done this but read about people doing it.  I do those 12 hour ones before I quit for the night then by the time I get back on the next evening they are done.  Or sometimes I don't do them at all.. *eyeballs Soals's measuring the veil war table mission* 

[The Baconer]

This topic just keeps on getting back up when I think it's dead. Anyway, I was wrong. The boring crap level is 18, not 16.

 

Remember, Cheat Engine.

[andy6915]

Remember, Cheat Engine.

Remember, PS3 version.

[The Baconer]

Remember, PS3 version.

 

Ooooooh that's rough.

[Sunnie]

I love 16, means I can go to Frostback Basin and emerge 6-7 hours of play later at 24!