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[katamuro]

Well you can want it but you wont get it. 

[The Elder King]

so...the OP doesn't want romances because is just butthurt for Sera? 

The OP didn't talk about Sera.

[KR96]

so...the OP doesn't want romances because is just butthurt for Sera?

That's not what he said in my opinion. He's disappointed about the huge uproar which occurs whenever characters are gay/bi/straight and he's pretty disillusioned by the romance in general.

I don't share his opinion, but I can understand some people may feel this way.

[Rannik]

You're the kind of person they warn me about at my university...

You go to university to get warned about people pointing out facts on a internet forum?

That seems like a waste of both time and money.
 

This link shows both user and critic scores, the critics (actual meta score) awarded a stunning score of 89 to ME3. Buttsore users gave it a 58.

1 - The image is from DA:I's score, which is the latest Bioware title.

2 - The "critics" are know for being ridiculously biased toward extremely high scores, case in point being those ridiculous 9,5s that DA2 recieved, the "actual metascore" is just as flawled as the user one (if not more).
 

Buttsore users gave it a 58.

Nah, buttsore user gave it 0s.
Dick-eating users gave it 10s.
And then you have the actual reviews that will position the game in relation to the others, which is the only relevant metric, in this case being 5,8

[KR96]

You go to university to get warned about people pointing out facts on a internet forum?

That seems like a waste of both time and money.

No, they warn me about people twisting sources to enhance the strength of their argument.

1 - The image is from DA:I's score, which is the latest Bioware title.

Fair enough, but that was not legible in your picture. Coincidence then that they match.

2 - The "critics" are know for being ridiculously biased toward extremely high scores, case in point being those ridiculous 9,5s that DA2 recieved, the "actual metascore" is just as flawled as the user one (if not more).

We'll have to agree to disagree there, but if critics are consistently over appreciative of games, then ME is still doing well relatively.

And I really can't do anything with that last point.

Also, the Maester is the traitor for sure.

[anillee]

I could not disagree with you more--I really enjoy the romances. They add a sense of realism to the game, because I am of the belief that many (not all) people put in a "Save the World!" situation where their life is constantly at risk would make those sort of connections (or at the least have someone want to make that sort of connection with them--I'm pretty sure there's a correlation between adrenaline and libido as well), but I think I see where you're coming from. It seems like in an effort to cater to everyone's tastes, Bioware is taking away from other aspects of the game. I don't know that I'd blame the "shift" BioWare games has taken solely on trying to write "Romance For Everybody!" but I will agree with the crowd who say pick one or two romance options and focus on them instead of making the game a hookup buffet where you get a large quantity of potential partners but less than stellar story as a result.

[Khrystyn]

The romance options shoud be enabled or disabled in the in-game customization screens. On or Off.  Tnen, if the romance option is selected 'On', have a list of potential partners that you can choose or deselect. This set-up control option can safely remove the risk of accidently romancing the wrong squadmate. If I wanted to romance Tali from the start, then have an option to deselect all other squadmates from romance conversation choices. I was pissed off when my MaleShep didn't realize until the trip to Ilos that Liara was my main squeeze and not my Ashley. It only took one unfortunate dialog choice to end a romance - and you couldn't get her back. Or else have a screen notification on the left side of the dialog wheel that you have to make a critical romance decision during a crewmate conversation. Give the player the pre-game option to select one or more romance interests of either sex - so you can play one off of the other for some juicy fun and get into awkward scenes, and whether you want to be hetero, bi, or gay - so long as Caitlyn Jenner does not have a reality show in the cargo deck.

[Grieving Natashina]

Elcor did this thread better.  He isn't using his reasoning as a thinly veiled excuse to complain about LGBT+ content, and LGB+ romances.  Give me a break.  

 

To the OP: You have plenty of company that feel that BioWare should no longer do romances.  Fine, whatever.  I've seen a lot of posters that offered good reasons, like those arcs instead adding into the friendship content.  I don't agree with that, but I do completely see the PoV.  I would rather they keep it for their existing IPs.  If the new IP David Gaider is helping write doesn't have romances, it's no skin off of me.  I post in a lot of LGBT and romance threads, and I still wouldn't care.  

 

However, I find it almost amusing that you're so thin skinned about posters that request an equal amount of LGB+ romances that you're swearing the whole thing off.  I mean...really?  That's pretty sad, and a rather poor reason to decide that romances must be gone.  

 

Finally, the part that I think is missed in a lot of these threads, is that a lack of LGB+ romances doesn't mean that gay and/or otherwise non-heterosexual characters will suddenly disappear.  You could still end up with a gay or bisexual squadmate, that might talk about a past relationship with someone of the same sex.  We might have a transgendered squatmate, who knows?  The content will remain, so removing all romances won't change that.

 

If someone can't even handle the thought of gay/bi people having a romance in a game, or even a presence in a game, there is a lot of games that don't have any gay characters whatsoever.  Some of these games I like and really enjoy.  I'd be happy to recommend some of them, but if someone thinks that demanding BioWare remove romances because of the LGBT+ community's requests for the same number as everyone else is a productive thing to do, they should stop now and save themselves the stress.  

 

These aren't the games nor the company you want it to be in this case.  Either accept it, or go find some games you like and stop worrying what other people like to romance and shag in their games.

[Sanunes]

You go to university to get warned about people pointing out facts on a internet forum?

That seems like a waste of both time and money.
 

1 - The image is from DA:I's score, which is the latest Bioware title.

2 - The "critics" are know for being ridiculously biased toward extremely high scores, case in point being those ridiculous 9,5s that DA2 recieved, the "actual metascore" is just as flawled as the user one (if not more).
 

Nah, buttsore user gave it 0s.
Dick-eating users gave it 10s.
And then you have the actual reviews that will position the game in relation to the others, which is the only relevant metric, in this case being 5,8

 

To me if you can't trust a reviewer from a website, it seems silly to trust someone who is anonymous on Metacritic for their reviews.  I know I only trust my own personal opinion on the game after watching a Let's Play or with EA using their refund policy.

[Eelectrica]

It seems unlikely that Bioware will ditch romances.

You can choose refuse though and choose not to bother with them which is what I'll be doing.

[aoibhealfae]

you can play the games without being in romance you know. As long as you don't talk to Liara in ME1 and everything is going to be alright.

[BioWareAre****s]

Hmph....

The OP gives an overwhelming sense of "I don't want this because I don't like this", so hey, why don't we ditch ammo? Why don't we simultaneously ditch aiming and auto-aiming because there are plenty of people who don't like one of those two? Why don't we just let everyone build their own game so they can each get exactly what they - and only they - want?! Genius idea!

I'm gonna be the 3,027th person on this thread to state the obvious and say that Elcor said it better, but even if you want to take the argument that ditching romances is a better use of resources then, again, there's a f_kton of stuff that should be changed; let's ditch customised appearances, multiple weapons, easter eggs...the list goes on. 

Yeah, I'm getting a bit extreme here, but I think it's still a somewhat valid point.

 

There's no way they're going to ditch the romances anyway. It's incredibly popular for one, but it's also something that adds to the entire game experience - it provides more immersion, but it also provides more replay value. I, and plenty of other people, have started whole new playthroughs just to romance someone different. The more people play, the more they (hopefully and theoretically) enjoy and come to love the series, and so the more likely they become to buy DLCs, sequels and memorabilia. So it could be argued that the romances are actually going towards making more money for the franchise - and more sales and profits mean potentially a bigger investment from EA.

So romances are a good thing.

[SofaJockey]

Zero romances OP?

Don't flirt with anyone then.

/solved.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It won't happen. Bioware has cultivated an audience that is largely in favor of romances in video games.

 

From a business perspective, it would be ridiculous to remove this large portion of the fanbase.

 

They make lots of money from selling games as well as merchandise to these people.

 

At the end of the day, romances are optional, just like in real life.

 

You don't have to engage your character in one if you do not want to. 

[rupok93]

You're the kind of person they warn me about at my university...

http://t.co/WEayhhLEzB

This link shows both user and critic scores, the critics (actual meta score) awarded a stunning score of 89 to ME3. Buttsore users gave it a 58.

 

Ya critics score matter more than actual players am i right?

The same critics calling gamers entitiled and other nonsense, getting bribes from devs, etc

[rupok93]

Elcor did this thread better.  He isn't using his reasoning as a thinly veiled excuse to complain about LGBT+ content, and LGB+ romances.  Give me a break.  

 

To the OP: You have plenty of company that feel that BioWare should no longer do romances.  Fine, whatever.  I've seen a lot of posters that offered good reasons, like those arcs instead adding into the friendship content.  I don't agree with that, but I do completely see the PoV.  I would rather they keep it for their existing IPs.  If the new IP David Gaider is helping write doesn't have romances, it's no skin off of me.  I post in a lot of LGBT and romance threads, and I still wouldn't care.  

 

However, I find it almost amusing that you're so thin skinned about posters that request an equal amount of LGB+ romances that you're swearing the whole thing off.  I mean...really?  That's pretty sad, and a rather poor reason to decide that romances must be gone.  

 

Finally, the part that I think is missed in a lot of these threads, is that a lack of LGB+ romances doesn't mean that gay and/or otherwise non-heterosexual characters will suddenly disappear.  You could still end up with a gay or bisexual squadmate, that might talk about a past relationship with someone of the same sex.  We might have a transgendered squatmate, who knows?  The content will remain, so removing all romances won't change that.

 

If someone can't even handle the thought of gay/bi people having a romance in a game, or even a presence in a game, there is a lot of games that don't have any gay characters whatsoever.  Some of these games I like and really enjoy.  I'd be happy to recommend some of them, but if someone thinks that demanding BioWare remove romances because of the LGBT+ community's requests for the same number as everyone else is a productive thing to do, they should stop now and save themselves the stress.  

 

These aren't the games nor the company you want it to be in this case.  Either accept it, or go find some games you like and stop worrying what other people like to romance and shag in their games.

 

Lol when you can't make in counter arguments you gotta go and make a long post about how people are homophobes and such.

 

Even david gaider is tired of ticking off romance option checklists for everyone instead of making romance natural. I am not gonna defend myself to you cause judging your post you would call me racist/sexist/homophobic anyways if I disagree

[Icauna]

If you want zero romance option don't play bioware game, go --> Skyrim, Red Dead redemption, Call of duty, gears of wars, ..... and leave us alone !

[pdusen]

FFS, there's already a thread about this. 

[Geth Supremacy]

If you want zero romance option don't play bioware game, go --> Skyrim, Red Dead redemption, Call of duty, ..... and leave us alone !

 

Are you saying Aela doesn't really love me!?

 

She gives me pies....20% more XP!...even runs a store and gives me a cut!

[Grieving Natashina]

@rupok Please, tell me where in my post I used the word homophobe.  I wasn't saying that they were homophobic.  I did say that if someone seemed that uncomfortable, then this probably is not the game series for them.  In fact, I don't call anyone homophobic, or sexist, or racist online.  I don't know them personally, but I am allowed to judge their posts on a forum.  When they flat out state that LGB+ people asking for equal numbers of romances is why they want all romances removed, I'm going to speak up against that.  

 

Yes, I know how David Gaider feels.  He's also no longer working on Dragon Age.  He's helping write a new IP.  I've already said several times that I would happily respect his decision if he (and the team he'll be working with) decides not to do romances. Patrick Weekes is the lead writer for DA now, and he's even mentioned that he's interested in writing an asexual romance.  He's excited about writing more romances, and learning more from the LGBT+ community.  I can post you a video where he, along with David Gaider and Karen Weekes (Editor-in-Chief for Dragon Age) where they talk about that from last summer.  

 

For the ME team, well, Manveer Heir is still apart of the team, and he's talked about LGBT+ representation as well as more representation for non-white people as well.  So there's a good chance that there will be romances for LGB+ people, and gay/bi characters as well.

 

Interesting how you automatically assume I jump to name calling.  I don't think you're any of those things if you disagree with me.  You think you're the first or the last to disagree with me about this?  I have debated with folks on this subject before.  We've agreed to disagree, without them trying to put words into my posts.  I don't automatically assume that you're going to call me any names, so why in blazes do you think I would do that to you?  

[themikefest]

If I don't want to romance anyone, I don't.  I've done it in all the Bioware games I've played

[daveliam]

I think the giant flaw in this theory is the fact that instead of having a dozen threads about what the romances should entail, you'll have a dozen threads about why romances need to or shouldn't come back.  And probably nearly the same amount of threads about what possible romances should entail.  The box has already been opened.  There's no going back. 

 

It really comes down to this:  If you don't want to romance a character, don't do it.  If you don't want to read or participate in threads on romances, don't do it.  But there is literally no way to avoid just seeing thread titles about romance.  Because even if they get rid of romances, the conversations will continue to happen. 

 

And, like it or not, there is a giant fanbase for the romance content for these games.  And they aren't going anywhere.  And they vote with their dollars.

[rupok93]

@rupok Please, tell me where in my post I used the word homophobe.  I wasn't saying that they were homophobic.  I did say that if someone seemed that uncomfortable, then this probably is not the game series for them.  In fact, I don't call anyone homophobic, or sexist, or racist online.  I don't know them personally, but I am allowed to judge their posts on a forum.  When they flat out state that LGB+ people asking for equal numbers of romances is why they want all romances removed, I'm going to speak up against that.  

 

Yes, I know how David Gaider feels.  He's also no longer working on Dragon Age.  He's helping write a new IP.  I've already said several times that I would happily respect his decision if he (and the team he'll be working with) decides not to do romances. Patrick Weekes is the lead writer for DA now, and he's even mentioned that he's interested in writing an asexual romance.  He's excited about writing more romances, and learning more from the LGBT+ community.  I can post you a video where he, along with David Gaider and Karen Weekes (Editor-in-Chief for Dragon Age) where they talk about that from last summer.  

 

For the ME team, well, Manveer Heir is still apart of the team, and he's talked about LGBT+ representation as well as more representation for non-white people as well.  So there's a good chance that there will be romances for LGB+ people, and gay/bi characters as well.

 

Interesting how you automatically assume I jump to name calling.  I don't think you're any of those things if you disagree with me.  You think you're the first or the last to disagree with me about this?  I have debated with folks on this subject before.  We've agreed to disagree, without them trying to put words into my posts.  I don't automatically assume that you're going to call me any names, so why in blazes do you think I would do that to you?  

 

The moment you try to tell me I am thin skinned about LGBT romances is the moment I assumed you are one of those people.

 

In fact the post I am referring to specifically says that there is a lack of straight female romances or something along those lines. I am not denying people romances cause they want LGBT ones. What I have been trying to say is that all this checklist and quota filling is making me feel sick that this is what counts as "diversity" when it comes to romance instead of making romances fluid and normal. In real life things don't match up to a certain quota.

 

People see romance as in a quantifiable number, o have this may gay romances, have this many straight, etc. Its not about what type of romance it is.

 

Thats why honestly I think bioware should just stop with romances entirely, because seriously they are not that great of a character interaction moment either. They are cringeworthy crappy dating sim level romances, you flirt and then shag thats about it. Theres small chapters with little content with romances.

 

So if they aren't gonna bother doing them right don't detract from the game and spend time at all doing them. Take that time that romance took to improve character friendships and interactions in the game instead. Tales of friendships are just as bonding as romances if not more so.

[Icauna]

Are you saying Aela doesn't really love me!?

 

She gives me pies....20% more XP!...even runs a store and gives me a cut!