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[FKA_Servo]

Lol when you can't make in counter arguments you gotta go and make a long post about how people are homophobes and such.

 

Even david gaider is tired of ticking off romance option checklists for everyone instead of making romance natural. I am not gonna defend myself to you cause judging your post you would call me racist/sexist/homophobic anyways if I disagree

 

The above unreasonable response to an eminently reasonable post suggests that you're just grandstanding. I'd love for you to prove me correct by expounding on what would constitute a "natural" romance.

 

Again, Bioware includes romance content, including inclusive romance content, because they want to. They've been doing so since 200-goddamn-3. It's their vision for their games. It's also proven very, very popular.

 

If it doesn't gel with what you want to play, there's no shortage of games that don't include it. As Natashina and countless others have pointed out.

 

So if they aren't gonna bother doing them right don't detract from the game and spend time at all doing them. Take that time that romance took to improve character friendships and interactions in the game instead. Tales of friendships are just as bonding as romances if not more so.

 

Or we can encourage them to do it better rather than scrap the whole thing.

[Arppis]

I wouldn't mind it to be fair.

[L. Han]

You're the kind of person they warn me about at my university...

http://t.co/WEayhhLEzB

This link shows both user and critic scores, the critics (actual meta score) awarded a stunning score of 89 to ME3. Buttsore users gave it a 58.

 

And critics gave Evolve very high scores, despite it dying off in a month because of all it's short comings. Both ends are unreliable.

[Grieving Natashina]

You think because folks in real life are asking for some representation in a fantasy game, it's too much and they should call the whole thing off.  Yeah, I consider thin-skinned.  You see it as a checklist, and David Gaider has expressed some weariness on the subject.  However, I can back up the times where David Gaider has talked about being happy to try out this content.  

 

It's optional content, that some folks really like.  If you think BioWare is going to discard romances in their existing IPs because some think it's a "disgusting checklist," then I strongly suggest saving yourself the time and energy.  They stood their ground, against organizations like Fox News and Focus on the Family.  If optional content, something that is not and has never been the focus of a BioWare game, bothers you that much, then stop worrying about the romances and go play something else.  Real easy.  

 

I hope you have fun with your games, and I hope you learn to not worry about things like this so much.  I mean it, with no sarcasm or snark.  Rather than focus on something that is obviously frustrating and irritating you, find something else you like.  Life's too short to be this angry over content in a video game series.   May your adventures be grand, may your kills be plenty and may the RNG always favor you for loot drops.  

 

Good luck, and I hope you find a way to have fun.

[rupok93]

The above unreasonable response to an eminently reasonable post suggests that you're just grandstanding. I'd love for you to prove me correct by expounding on what would constitute a "natural" romance.

 

Again, Bioware includes romance content, including inclusive romance content, because they want to. They've been doing so since 200-goddamn-3. It's their vision for their games. It's also proven very, very popular.

 

If it doesn't gel with what you want to play, there's no shortage of games that don't include it. As Natashina and countless others have pointed out.

 

 

Or we can encourage them to do it better rather than scrap the whole thing.

 

Bioware have been given multiple chances and they have proven time and time again they can't do romances right. At this far of a stage I don't think its unreasonable to suggest to scrap it entirely.

 

I mean romances that expand the whole game instead of "hey do a few specific missions and you get **** this guy/girl and thats the last you will hear of them besides a few little dialogue here and there until it starts repeating itself."

[FluffyCannibal]

Critics and fans are both wrong. Critics have a tendency to be biased, over-opinionated assholes, and fans flip out over the slightest little detail and ignore everything else that's going on. I still see butthurt comments from butthurt players who are butthurt over the ME3 ending (I just want to say butthurt one more time in this sentence). They're ignoring ~30+ hours of gameplay and concentrating on the last 30 minutes. Because, y'know, that's what really matters. How many people do you think gave ME3 an unfairly low score just because of those 30 minutes? I'm not saying that they don't have a right to get upset or whatever, just that it's unfair to give a s***y review based on 3% of the game.

[L. Han]

I do get tired of this fanbase constantly rave on about the romances only. The world and setting is so much more interesting and has far more to offer than some awkward puppet smooching that resembles procreation. What's even more funny is how some people claim that this is 'mature' and 'tasteful' when they treat it like some kind of reward.

[daveliam]

I'd also like to point out that pretty much every 'group' has complained about romances, so it's not just LGBT people.  Although, to be fair, the OP didn't start with that.  Although he did specifically single out LGBT romances in his second post.

 

I mean, look at the shitstorm that arose following DA: I and that was primarily driven by self-identifying straight guys who felt that Bioware was specifically singling them out by giving them less romances (well, less than straight gals, at least) and worse romances (worse as in, not traditionally feminine).

 

The point is that romances are clearly enjoyed by all demographics of players and each demographic will make it known if they feel that the romances aren't up to snuff.  Frankly, there's no issue with that in my book.  After all, we're on their official forums, so it's the right place to discuss features you want to/don't want to see.  It's one of the reasons why I smh at people complaining about giving feedback.  That's kind of what the whole purpose of the forums is, no?

[rupok93]

You think because folks in real life are asking for some representation in a fantasy game, it's too much and they should call the whole thing off.  Yeah, I consider thin-skinned.  You see it as a checklist, and David Gaider has expressed some weariness on the subject.  However, I can back up the times where David Gaider has talked about being happy to try out this content.  

 

It's optional content, that some folks really like.  If you think BioWare is going to discard romances in their existing IPs because some think it's a "disgusting checklist," then I strongly suggest saving yourself the time and energy.  They stood their ground, against organizations like Fox News and Focus on the Family.  If optional content, something that is not and has never been the focus of a BioWare game, bothers you that much, then stop worrying about the romances and go play something else.  Real easy.  

 

I hope you have fun with your games, and I hope you learn to not worry about things like this so much.  I mean it, with no sarcasm or snark.  Rather than focus on something that is obviously frustrating and irritating you, find something else you like.  Life's too short to be this angry over content in a video game series.   May your adventures be grand, may your kills be plenty and may the RNG always favor you for loot drops.  

 

Good luck, and I hope you find a way to have fun.

 

Never been the focus? Yes it has been the focus thats the ****** problem. If it wasn't the focus even expressing the opinion that I want them removed (many other expressing similar opinions) wouldn't cause such a huge backlash.

 

Its been so much of the focus that people don't care if the actual story is good, or the actual plotholes are filled up and if the actual gameplay is good. They care about who is represented. Hey guess what I am an brown guy and I KNOW i won't be represented in most games yet I don't go around complaining about how a FANTASY world isn't submitting to my every desires. Romances is all some people care about. And you tell me to leave? They should be the one to leave and go play dating sims, those are much better options for them. I and others care about the actual state of the game instead of who is being pandered to and who is not but na lets worry about who the main character is gonna have sex with while he is trying to find a new home for the human race on a completely new galaxy. Because Mass effect is a space RPG/shooter first and foremost and not a dating sim first and foremost.

 

You people keep reverting to that "o you don't respect diversity" nonsense borderline calling me homophobe and then expect me to take your argument as RESONABLE.

 

Lifes too short and here you are and here we all are. What you really want is me to not talk. Love your passive aggressiveness buddy

[rupok93]

I'd also like to point out that pretty much every 'group' has complained about romances, so it's not just LGBT people.  Although, to be fair, the OP didn't start with that.  Although he did specifically single out LGBT romances in his second post.

 

I mean, look at the shitstorm that arose following DA: I and that was primarily driven by self-identifying straight guys who felt that Bioware was specifically singling them out by giving them less romances (well, less than straight gals, at least) and worse romances (worse as in, not traditionally feminine).

 

The point is that romances are clearly enjoyed by all demographics of players and each demographic will make it known if they feel that the romances aren't up to snuff.  Frankly, there's no issue with that in my book.  After all, we're on their official forums, so it's the right place to discuss features you want to/don't want to see.  It's one of the reasons why I smh at people complaining about giving feedback.  That's kind of what the whole purpose of the forums is, no?

 

I never singled out LGBT people in my second post. I said both STRAIGHT and LGBT people. The mere mention of LGBT people doesn't mean i singled them out. And yes the situation you are referring to with DAI about how people were complaining there were less straight romances is a perfect example of why I want romances to be gone entirely.

[FKA_Servo]

It's not remotely the main focus. It's a small aspect of the game.

 

What IS true is that Bioware is almost the only developer who does it at all. That makes it very meaningful to players who enjoy it (and who are subsequently very vocal about their enjoyment). Doesn't mean it looms any larger in the game design and development process.

[daveliam]

And you tell me to leave? They should be the one to leave and go play dating sims, those are much better options for them. I and others care about the actual state of the game instead of who is being pandered to and who is not but na lets worry about who the main character is gonna have sex with while he is trying to find a new home for the human race on a completely new galaxy.

 

Here's really the problem.  Neither group "should be the one to leave".  That's an absolutely ridiculous statement.  Bioware has been doing romance content in their games for 12 years.  They have developed a fanbase around that content during that time.  Because they have made inclusive romantic content, they've developed a fanbase that really has no (or very, very little) other outlet for this content, so this fanbase is fiercely loyal to Bioware and very protective of that content.  I can see how it's offputting if you personally don't value that content.  But the idea that those fans aren't the real fans like you and should go play dating sims (which are nothing like a Bioware game) is either foolishly naive or purposefully insulting.  You are no more of a real fan than people who enjoy romance content. 

[rupok93]

Here's really the problem.  Neither group "should be the one to leave".  That's an absolutely ridiculous statement.  Bioware has been doing romance content in their games for 12 years.  They have developed a fanbase around that content during that time.  Because they have made inclusive romantic content, they've developed a fanbase that really has no (or very, very little) other outlet for this content, so this fanbase is fiercely loyal to Bioware and very protective of that content.  I can see how it's offputting if you personally don't value that content.  But the idea that those fans aren't the real fans like you and should go play dating sims (which are nothing like a Bioware game) is either foolishly naive or purposefully insulting.  You are no more of a real fan than people who enjoy romance content. 

 

Ya dating sims are nothing like bioware games they do romances infinitely better.

[daveliam]

Ya dating sims are nothing like bioware games they do romances infinitely better.

 

Right.  So, by logic, people who are only interested in romance are probably not playing Bioware games.  The people playing Bioware games and are in favor of romance content are probably interested in an RPG experience that allows them to explore romantic relationships and, in some cases, explicitly be an LGBT character, which pretty much only comes about in romance content. 

 

Of course it's not the only way to do it.  FO: NV comes to mind.  The "Confirmed Bachelor" perk allowed my character to be gay without having to have romance content attached.  Of course, the new Fallout game seems to force you to be a straight person in an o/s relationship and have a child.  So, so much for that.......

[FKA_Servo]

Ya dating sims are nothing like bioware games they do romances infinitely better.

 

Condescendingly telling people to go play dating sims is a great way to sound like a giant ass.

 

What I want to play is a fun RPG with a good story, characters I care about, and a dash of romance running through it all. I don't want to play a dating sim, because it has nothing to offer to me. Interestingly, Bioware has spent the past two decades carving a spot in this very niche.

[The Elder King]

Never been the focus? Yes it has been the focus thats the ****** problem. If it wasn't the focus even expressing the opinion that I want them removed (many other expressing similar opinions) wouldn't cause such a huge backlash.

Its been so much of the focus that people don't care if the actual story is good, or the actual plotholes are filled up and if the actual gameplay is good. They care about who is represented. Hey guess what I am an brown guy and I KNOW i won't be represented in most games yet I don't go around complaining about how a FANTASY world isn't submitting to my every desires. Romances is all some people care about. And you tell me to leave? They should be the one to leave and go play dating sims, those are much better options for them. I and others care about the actual state of the game instead of who is being pandered to and who is not but na lets worry about who the main character is gonna have sex with while he is trying to find a new home for the human race on a completely new galaxy. Because Mass effect is a space RPG/shooter first and foremost and not a dating sim first and foremost.

You people keep reverting to that "o you don't respect diversity" nonsense borderline calling me homophobe and then expect me to take your argument as RESONABLE.

Lifes too short and here you are and here we all are. What you really want is me to not talk. Love your passive aggressiveness buddy

If what you're saying is right, then Why for every Bioware games there Are hundreds of threads where people express what They didn't like about the plot, side quests, gameplay, environments? Why this discussions happen in the characters threads as well, Which Are often accused of caring only About the romances?

I'm sure there Are people Who care more About the romances then the rest of the game. But They aren't the majority.

Beside, the fact that the fanbase might focus on romances doesn't mean Bioware does. If they would, the romance content would take A far bigger part of the games.

[Capt_Kangaroo]

If I can't bang everyone and everything on the ship, I'm going to be pissed.

My thoughts exactly...., stuff the romance..., I'm in it for the sex.

 

Cheers

[In Exile]

Ya dating sims are nothing like bioware games they do romances infinitely better.

I've never played a dating sim. I've seen some games that market themselves as dating sims (from Japan) and they are, honestly, kind of disturbing looking. I don't know how one can honestly say they do romantic content "better" but perhaps you have an example?

[sandalisthemaker]

 

Honestly wouldn't care if the whole room was full of lesbians and gay men if it fit the character instead of artificially numbered sexual preferences which make no sense.

 

There's your first mistake. 

[Steelcan]

I've never played a dating sim. I've seen some games that market themselves as dating sims (from Japan) and they are, honestly, kind of disturbing looking. I don't know how one can honestly say they do romantic content "better" but perhaps you have an example?

there's your problem

[In Exile]

there's your problem

There are non-Japanese dating sims?

[Steelcan]

There are non-Japanese dating sims?

hell if I know, but Japan isn't known for exporting sane and rational material these days, so it might be solely their domain

[The Elder King]

I've never played a dating sim. I've seen some games that market themselves as dating sims (from Japan) and they are, honestly, kind of disturbing looking. I don't know how one can honestly say they do romantic content "better" but perhaps you have an example?

Do you mean Japanese visual novels?

[AresKeith]

There are non-Japanese dating sims?

 

I'm pretty sure Japan owns that entire market

[Battlebloodmage]

There are mountains of games without romance options, why rain on the parade of the few games that do have it? If you don't like it, avoid it or play hundreds of games out there that don't.