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#51
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I wouldn't mind seeing Reaper remnants and ship corpses in space/on planets, I'd actually welcome that but I wouldn't want them to be the main plot.


This would actually be a good idea. I've pointed out before that Andromeda would have had to have some sort of galactic extinction cycle at one point. Why? Because if they didn't, the Fermi paradox would ensure that a single, hyper advanced ancient species would have dominated the galaxy long, long ago. In the MW it was the Leviathans. After they were wiped out, no other species was allowed to reach the same pinnacle of technology.

If that didn't occur in Andromeda, it would make essentially zero sense. So, what if the Reapers HAVE been to Andromeda, but they were defeated there by a native species of Andromeda long ago? It would neatly explain the absence of a single hyper advanced dominant race in Andromeda. Unless these "Remnants" are exactly that...

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I'd be surprised if the Reapers were the main enemy, given how tightly tied in they are with Shepard's story (and especially the ending).

 

Part of the whole point of going to another galaxy is to escape the corner they painted themselves into with the Multicoloured Lights/Starchild ending and consequences thereof.  There is no way Bioware is going to design a game where all the consequences of that will be played out, nor will they choose a canon ending, so the best bet is they're going to ignore it altogether.

 

I could see there being perhaps elements of a former Reaper presence in Andromeda.  Outposts, crashed Reaper scout ships, that kind of thing.  Perhaps it could even tie into the plot, with some big bad using the (now dormant) Reaper tech, reverse-engineering it and putting their advanced technology in service to their cause.  But Reapers themselves bring things back to the trilogy storyline, which Bioware seem keen to avoid.

 

Well I don't think anyone wants to see Reapers as the main bad guys, just see dead ones of sorts. A showcase that the Reapers were trying to expand their farms to make more Reapers. It is completely illogical that the Reapers would limit themselves to just the Milky Way Galaxy and this would be the best connection that Bioware can do to link ME:A to ME: Trilogy. 


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This would actually be a good idea. I've pointed out before that Andromeda would have had to have some sort of galactic extinction cycle at one point. Why? Because if they didn't, the Fermi paradox would ensure that a single, hyper advanced ancient species would have dominated the galaxy long, long ago. In the MW it was the Leviathans. After they were wiped out, no other species was allowed to reach the same pinnacle of technology.

If that didn't occur in Andromeda, it would make essentially zero sense. So, what if the Reapers HAVE been to Andromeda, but they were defeated there by a native species of Andromeda long ago? It would neatly explain the absence of a single hyper advanced dominant race in Andromeda. Unless these "Remnants" are exactly that...

 

I'm wondering if Shepard might be the reason why the Reapers lose in Andromeda, assuming the Reapers went there. The leak mentions a species native to Andromeda that once had a great civilization, but had partly fallen at some point prior to the arrival of the Milky Way colonists.

 

Perhaps the Reapers were also in the process of simultaneously annihilating the species known as the Remnant (before they were the Remnant) when Shepard makes the Crucible decision. If the Reapers had the element of surprise, they may have also needed far fewer ships to accomplish the annihilation of that species than they needed in the Milky Way. After Shepard makes the end game choice, the Control or Synthesis Reapers then retreat on command from either version of the Catalyst, while the Reapers in Destroy either retreat or cease functioning in the wake of the Catalyst being destroyed.

 

It would be a way to address Shepard's ending choice in ME3 without the writers needing to worry about the other effects of the ending choices, such as whether everyone in the Milky Way is now a cyborg.


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Given their level of advancement, I'm certain the reapers were physically capable of reaching Andromeda at some point in the past. I'm not sure if they would have had any desire to do so, however. The Catalyst's programming, according to Leviathan, was designated with preserving galactic life, not universal life. Unless there was a previous incursion from Andromeda to the Milky Way, I don't see the reapers' interest being drawn.

 

I also think that on a thematic level it's probably a bad idea. It's been observed that by controlling the extinction cycles and tailoring them for efficiency's sake, the Catalyst had turned the "create synthetics, synthetics rebel" cycle into a self fulfilling prophecy by limiting the expansion of technology to predictable patterns. If there is one good thing about moving to Andromeda it's getting to see life that evolved without Reaper influence, thus got to spread out in new, diverse ways, unpredictable by the Catalyst. 

 

And if the draw for Andromeda is seeing whether or not Bioware can repeat the creativity they demonstrated with alien life thus far in the series, I'd like to see that extend to demonstrating some creativity with a new antagonist. 


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That's definitely not the same sound sample used for the reapers.  Generic futuristic machine noise.  Nothing more.

Well, they pretty much are the same sound sample.



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Wait, what reaper sound are you talking about? Because the only gurgling sound that even remotely sounds like a reaper is seemingly coming from that flying alien life form.

Hmm well you're either deaf or have never heard any sounds the geth or the Reapers made in Mass Effect 3.

 

https://youtu.be/uG8V9dRqSsw?t=1m18s


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This would actually be a good idea. I've pointed out before that Andromeda would have had to have some sort of galactic extinction cycle at one point. Why? Because if they didn't, the Fermi paradox would ensure that a single, hyper advanced ancient species would have dominated the galaxy long, long ago. In the MW it was the Leviathans. After they were wiped out, no other species was allowed to reach the same pinnacle of technology.


Note that there are other possible answers to the Fermi paradox. In Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth books, sufficiently advanced aliens typically develop to a point where the physical universe isn't of very great concern to them. The central plot of Pandora's Star/Judas Unchained is humans having to clean up a mess that a previous race thought had been permanently solved, but had not. That previous race still exists, but one faction has deliberately regressed to a pretechnological stage, while the other is so advanced that humans can't even communicate with them. The plot of those books actually maps fairly well onto ME1, come to think of it.

See also 2001, although that's a different model since those hyper-advanced aliens are still around and very much in charge.
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I'm kind of hoping the main character's ship is a Reaper (or Reaper-derived) ship, and that "indoctrination" is completely demystified and part and parcel of how the crew and ship interact.

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Well I don't think anyone wants to see Reapers as the main bad guys, just see dead ones of sorts. A showcase that the Reapers were trying to expand their farms to make more Reapers. It is completely illogical that the Reapers would limit themselves to just the Milky Way Galaxy and this would be the best connection that Bioware can do to link ME:A to ME: Trilogy. 

Yeah, between keeping the species of Andromeda at our tier civilization-wise and having things like Mass Relays be in Andromeda, it would be a great connection. 



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Yeah, between keeping the species of Andromeda at our tier civilization-wise and having things like Mass Relays be in Andromeda, it would be a great connection. 

 

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Personally I don't think life in Andromeda being on our tier, technology wise, requires an explanation. Reapers or no reapers, extinction events do happen fairly frequently, and life doesn't necessarily develop and advance at the same rates. 

 

Now, the specific existence of Mass Relays may require a bit of explaining, however.



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Not only the sound is a reaper one, but the enemies in the trailer look like marauders. Perhaps in the trailer we are still in the miky way.

But do not have doubt about the reaper sounds. Bioware is very carefull with them: if you play ME3 without music, you still hear them (they are effects AND music, they are always there), and you hear them because they are iconic. One of the strongest point of IT was the fact that you heard that sounds even when there weren't reapers nearby. On a normal playthrough, you would mistake those for soundtrack, but they are not.



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The further removed this story is from the reapers, the better.



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The further removed this story is from the reapers, the better.

Like I said, the Reapers don't have to have anything to do with the story to make some kind of appearance in the game



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People can hate on the idea of reapers in andromeda all they want, but you can't seriously think that, whether the reapers are controlled and docile or destroyed, that the races of the galaxy had no interest in uncovering the technology and limitless amounts of scientific data that they possess, what with being billions of years old and containing the knowledge of entire civilizations. Perhaps turians, for example, decided to re-fit their dreadnought fleet with reaper-style capital ships. I always thought that the next mass effect would feature at least some kind of side mission that involved a rogue band of crazy outlaws or a shootoff of one of the governments in trying to harness the power of a reaper or reapers for themselves. Something that powerful would not just go ignored for centuries on end.

 

What I'm trying to say is, you might just be crazy to think that there won't be any involvement of reapers or some kind of reaper derivative in Andromeda. But, of course, it's just wild speculation.



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Well, they pretty much are the same sound sample.

No, they're not.  It only sounds the same if you're using low quality equipment.  Listening through my Beyer T1's, I can clearly tell that it isn't the same sound sample.  



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Note that there are other possible answers to the Fermi paradox. In Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth books, sufficiently advanced aliens typically develop to a point where the physical universe isn't of very great concern to them. The central plot of Pandora's Star/Judas Unchained is humans having to clean up a mess that a previous race thought had been permanently solved, but had not. That previous race still exists, but one faction has deliberately regressed to a pretechnological stage, while the other is so advanced that humans can't even communicate with them. The plot of those books actually maps fairly well onto ME1, come to think of it.

See also 2001, although that's a different model since those hyper-advanced aliens are still around and very much in charge.

Actually, I made another post about exactly this in which I thought that they should take a different approach with the Remnant - namely, an advanced species that attained transcendence, and benevolently guided other advanced species to do the same. This would be different, indeed opposite to the Reapers, and would neatly account for the Fermi paradox. So in that sense I agree with you.

Another poster raised extinction level events as an answer as well - the thing is, this is a common objection but it isn't a very good one. Could the vast majority of intelligent species nuke themselves to extinction before spreading out of their solar system?

Sure. Absolutely. I mean, lets be honest - we will probably do exactly that to ourselves. If not, we will succumb to overpopulation, pandemics, environmental disasters and resource wars without a nuclear holocaust just as easily.

But, what is most impressive about the Fermi Paradox is that it only takes ONE civilization to not do that. Given the size and age of a galaxy, do you know how long it would take a single civilization, lets say the human species, to colonize every single feasible star system in the galaxy if they do it at a constant rate and sublight velocities?

About 50-100 million years. That's it. Earth is 4 billion years old and it is a young planet compared to many others, especially those around red dwarfs. If other intelligent life is common, the galaxy should be covered multiple times over by now.

That's the impressiveness of the paradox by anyone that understands the math and scales involved. It makes assumptions, yes, but pretty reasonable ones in that it is extremely anti-success for intelligent life and advanced civilizations. But it just takes one success story.

Mass Effect addresses this beautifully, I might add. The cycles explain the paradox, and every species in a given cycle flourishes whereas many probably would have perished of their own devices (like the Krogan or Drell) due to the easy access of the relay network and FTL travel.

So, if Andromeda has no relay network, more species would certainly go extinct prior to colonizing any other star systems. The majority probably would. But given Andromeda's age, it should be covered by at least one advanced civilization by now. Hopefully Bioware puts some intelligent thought into that, and it at least seems like they are attempting to with the Remnant.
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Hmm well you're either deaf or have never heard any sounds the geth or the Reapers made in Mass Effect 3.

https://youtu.be/uG8V9dRqSsw?t=1m18s


No need to be a dick, bro.

That's barely noticeable though. I mean, maybe it is easier to hear it on a monitor because I've only watched the trailer from my phone, but it sounds like any generic scifi sound as others have pointed out. And honestly, it sounds closer to the Geth than the Reapers. Almost identical to the Geth, actually. My guess is, since they probably wont be including the Geth in Andromeda, another synthetic species will take their place

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No need to be a dick, bro.

That's barely noticeable though. I mean, maybe it is easier to hear it on a monitor because I've only watched the trailer from my phone, but it sounds like any generic scifi sound as others have pointed out. And honestly, it sounds closer to the Geth than the Reapers. Almost identical to the Geth, actually. My guess is, since they probably wont be including the Geth in Andromeda, another synthetic species will take their place

This guy's completely wrong anyway.  Any halfway decent audio setup and it's obvious that it isn't the reaper sound sample.  



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well with any of the endings you still have the council races still having access to reaper tech. if you chose destruction you have dead reapers you can now reverse engineer to make the new inter galactic drives. with control you have the new Shepard AI that would have reapers sharing the vast amount of knowledge from the reapers  leading to the council races to learning more advanced technology that would lead to the new galactic drives. with synergy you get the same thing. this would make sense as to how the council races and more importantly the protagonist get the means to reach Andromeda. so yeah I think we are very likely to see some reapers in one way or another.



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Having a dead Reaper like in ME2 should be fun, I liked the line about "dead God dreaming". But making invincible, unstoppable Reapers was a huge mistake in the first trilogy and I'm sure bio ware will not repeat it.
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The reaper sound originated from a garbage can lid being opened and closed.  

 

How appropriate for something that trash-tier.



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As I've said in another thread, the possibility of intergalactic travel being within reach of humanity makes it possible, and in fact quite likely that the Reapers had it too.  And as such Reaper colonies in other galaxies are also likely.

 

Unless of course it just gets handwaved away.  But what are the odds of that happening?   <_<

The hand started waving as soon as we moved to Andromeda.  They are not going to treat the Reapers like the chains of Jacob Marley and drag them around forever.



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Maybe...just maybe, the reapers did go to Andromeda to harvest the lifeforms. But the reapers were defeated by the natives of Andromeda (maybe due to a small force of reapers) and only broken down remains are what's left of the reapers. And the organics/synthetics are in a recovery phase of rebuilding and claiming new planets as their own worlds had been destroyed in their invasion by the reapers. Then we come into conflict with the new species over colonising new worlds.



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Maybe they aren't there because it would be really boring if they were part of the plot in any way? I'm going with that one.


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