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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't. Their programming limited them to the Milky Way. Bringing the reapers, a reaper, or anything to do with the reapers to Andromeda would be a terrible idea. Anyone who hasn't played Mass Effect before can buy and play the old trilogy if they're curious. The old trilogy had a terrible ending and I want to leave it behind. A fresh start is exactly what is needed, and nothing to do with reapers is part of that.

 

Mass Effect Andromeda is the best place to start. I want to forget the reapers and that red, green and blue ending. I want nothing about them and nothing related to their "legacy."

Not bringing anything to do with the Reapers would involve abandoning all Mass Effect technology, since that was their "gift" to us.

[Paridave]

Again, this is what I'm talking about in the OP. It doesn't have to be a Reaper, just something related to them, their legacy. I find it very hard to believe a force as massive as the Reapers never thought about other galaxies.

You need to read the interview in Arstechnica and pay close attention to the section called 'Reaper Sleeper.'   

 

http://arstechnica.c...fect-andromeda/

 

No Reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You need to read the interview in Arstechnica and pay close attention to the section called 'Reaper Sleeper.'   

 

http://arstechnica.c...fect-andromeda/

 

No Reapers.

It never mentions Reapers in that section. The closest they get to mentioning Reapers is the interviewer asking about if there will be Mass Relays in the game and used to get to Andromeda, and Aaryn Flynn states, "I don’t think we can get into that.".

[CrutchCricket]

Not bringing anything to do with the Reapers would involve abandoning all Mass Effect technology, since that was their "gift" to us.

The first part of that statement needs to be clarified.

 

Though all ME tech is a derivative of Reaper tech in some form or other, most people both in universe and IRL distinguish between the derivative technology we "develop" and the primary tech developed by the Reapers themselves (Citadel, relays etc). And it's only the latter that gets the name Reaper tech.

 

So when people say "no Reaper tech" it's analogous to saying "no Reapers" and they mean no primary technology developed by the Reapers directly since that tends to lead to shenanigans and we've all had quite enough of that. I don't think anyone expects a hard "no ME tech" turn since that couldn't possibly work within the constraints of both the universe and this move to Andromeda.

 

The second part of the statement, the "gift" idea however is utter crap and I wish it was not around anymore. ME tech, whether directly Reaper built or not is ours. We fought for it, we bled for it we won it, whatever color you ended up picking. It was a trap, now it's spoils of war, but it was never a gift and ownership of it has forever changed. There is no obligation to anything Reaper based. It's ours to do with as we see fit, by right of conquest.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The first part of that statement needs to be clarified.

 

Though all ME tech is a derivative of Reaper tech in some form or other, most people both in universe and IRL distinguish between the derivative technology we "develop" and the primary tech developed by the Reapers themselves (Citadel, relays etc). And it's only the latter that gets the name Reaper tech.

 

So when people say "no Reaper tech" it's analogous to saying "no Reapers" and they mean no primary technology developed by the Reapers directly since that tends to lead to shenanigans and we've all had quite enough of that. I don't think anyone expects a hard "no ME tech" turn since that couldn't possibly work within the constraints of both the universe and this move to Andromeda.

I am referring to things based off the technology. The people in the game acknowledge that it was the Protheans and later when they were identified the Reapers whose technology ours is based on. So while developed and built by us, it is based off the technology the Reapers left behind so still having something to do with them. 

But it's a case of people meaning different things but using the same broad term. 

 

The second part of the statement, the "gift" idea however is utter crap and I wish it was not around anymore. ME tech, whether directly Reaper built or not is ours. We fought for it, we bled for it we won it, whatever color you ended up picking. It was a trap, now it's spoils of war, but it was never a gift and ownership of it has forever changed. There is no obligation to anything Reaper based. It's ours to do with as we see fit, by right of conquest.

That is what it is though. The Reapers left it purposefully behind so the species of this cycle would benefit from it and follow on the paths the Reapers desired. Hence the quotation marks around the term. At the time of discovery we saw it as a gift but in reality it was a trap. The fact we took it and it is ours now to do whatever we please with it doesn't mean it wasn't still gifted to us. Just because a toy belongs to a child and they can do whatever they want with it doesn't mean it isn't a gift from somebody else anymore. 

[DextroDNA]

You need to read the interview in Arstechnica and pay close attention to the section called 'Reaper Sleeper.'   

 

http://arstechnica.c...fect-andromeda/

 

No Reapers.

"We asked whether there were the series’ signature mass relays in the new galaxy—after all, how else would players cross the millions of light years between the Milky Way and Andromeda? "I don’t think we can get into that,""

 

No mention of Reapers anywhere there. They just say they can't talk about the Relays.

[dreamgazer]

"We asked whether there were the series’ signature mass relays in the new galaxy—after all, how else would players cross the millions of light years between the Milky Way and Andromeda? "I don’t think we can get into that,""

No mention of Reapers anywhere there. They just say they can't talk about the Relays.

Maybe they don't even know themselves yet.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"We asked whether there were the series’ signature mass relays in the new galaxy—after all, how else would players cross the millions of light years between the Milky Way and Andromeda? "I don’t think we can get into that,""

 

No mention of Reapers anywhere there. They just say they can't talk about the Relays.

Which is weird, right? 

I mean, if the Mass Relays are simply not involved in any way, why can't they just say so? 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

While I hope we are done for good with the reaper story, it would be funny to me if we discovered a race of aliens worshipping a 2 K long squid shaped 'god'

[AresKeith]

"We asked whether there were the series’ signature mass relays in the new galaxy—after all, how else would players cross the millions of light years between the Milky Way and Andromeda? "I don’t think we can get into that,""

 

No mention of Reapers anywhere there. They just say they can't talk about the Relays.

 

Maybe they're still working on the travel

[dreamgazer]

Maybe they're still working on the travel

Honestly, I bet they probably banged that out in the early stages so they could figure out some cutscene logistics and galaxy-map navigation.

[AresKeith]

Honestly, I bet they probably banged that out in the early stages so they could figure out some cutscene logistics and galaxy-map navigation.

 

True, they probably just don't want to say anything because the game is still a year away to spoil anything 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True, they probably just don't want to say anything because the game is still a year away to spoil anything 

What would saying there are no Relays spoil?

Most people already think there aren't, and all it would reveal is that we are getting there in some way so nothing new. 

[AresKeith]

What would saying there are no Relays spoil?

Most people already think there aren't, and all it would reveal is that we are getting there in some way so nothing new. 

 

Well it's not the first time Bioware didn't outright say no to something

[Kunari801]

Dunno.  It may be an eternal mystery.

 

But shortly after EC was released, all IT threads were locked, and mentioning it anywhere else invited thread locks too.

 

The ending fiasco was still very fresh, nerves were still very frayed and fans feeling betrayed. Many ideas on what they'd do with the EC circulated the forums with different camps. Some IT fans were very upset that Bioware didn't take that tactic for the endings. Others were upset they left in the RBG and didn't canon destroy, others still upset that Shepard had to basically die no-matter-what, etc.  Not just IT threads were locked, the entire Character Discussion & Romance section was locked down. 

 

In some ways I liked the IT, it'd open up for a ME4 to really resolve the war. In others, I'd already made up my own post-war headcanon in a facfic and was somewhat content. Still hurt but content. 

[KaiserShep]

What would saying there are no Relays spoil?

Most people already think there aren't, and all it would reveal is that we are getting there in some way so nothing new. 

 

Well, that depends. There might actually be something akin to relays.

[Former_Fiend]

So, here's a thought; assuming our expedition leaves before the Crucible is fired, and assuming that there are, in fact, reapers in Andromeda, what if they're there because they were chasing us/cutting us off. One indoctrinated member of the ARK project who couldn't otherwise sabatoge it leaks it's existence to the Reapers and they decide to go after us.

 

Their primary objective is harvest and preserve life, but they're also interested in taking out potential threats to themselves to preserve the cycles. An unchecked population in Andromeda with sufficient knowledge of the Reapers, the threat they pose, their tech and vulnerabilities, could pose a significant threat down the line. Might even be that the purpose of the ARK mission isn't even entirely escape and self preservation; might be the idea is to use Andromeda as a staging point to take back the Milky Way thousands of years down the line, in the event that we loose.

 

I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.  

[NextGenCowboy]

I just wanna say, I'd really like the chance to shoot a Leviathan. There's some logistical problems involved in that whole situation, but it'd be cathartic.

[Paridave]

It never mentions Reapers in that section. The closest they get to mentioning Reapers is the interviewer asking about if there will be Mass Relays in the game and used to get to Andromeda, and Aaryn Flynn states, "I don’t think we can get into that.".

 

Reapers are a galactic enemy, they clean house on a galactic scale and "With Andromeda," said Walters, "our goal is to start that at a much smaller scale—though the scales are still massive—and give you a sense that there is much more to explore, rather than saying ‘here’s the whole galaxy.’"

 

Of course maybe there are little Reapers, you know, Reaperettes who only clean out clusters. 

[CrutchCricket]

That is what it is though. The Reapers left it purposefully behind so the species of this cycle would benefit from it and follow on the paths the Reapers desired. Hence the quotation marks around the term. At the time of discovery we saw it as a gift but in reality it was a trap. The fact we took it and it is ours now to do whatever we please with it doesn't mean it wasn't still gifted to us. Just because a toy belongs to a child and they can do whatever they want with it doesn't mean it isn't a gift from somebody else anymore. 

If the child murdered someone for it, then of course it's not a gift.

 

The child was given the toy to lead him to the creepy van. Instead of the unspeakable, the child used said toy to murder the pedophile and now it's his to keep. At no point was it a true gift.

 

I acknowledge the sarcastic use of quotation marks. My (allergic) reaction is to people who take that notion literally and feel like the Reapers still somehow own the tech and are inseparable from it.

[ghost6454]

What if milky wayers encounter reapers in the middle of their doomsday construction in andromeda and we get to experience it and get all our unanswered questions answered ?...the plot centering around understanding their motives with prior knowledge of their end game....and deciding the best course of action...blah blah

 

That would be a clever way to revisit the early reaper days whilest being set in a far future from the ME trilogy...Mass effect : presequel

[Spacepunk01]

I think BioWare might have learned something:

 

When you're creating the main enemy/threat of the game, you can't make it so massive that there are no plausible solutions to the problem. The Reaper concept was very massive and BioWare has paid for it, because when there are no plausible solutions, we get a deus ex machina. Now they are forced to take us away from the Milky Way, and as a result we lose a sense of continuity and/or familiarity with the Universe. The Star Wars trilogy had just that, the continuity and familiarity, which is so important when you're trying to create a memorable Universe.

 

The Reapers are still actually a problem for them, because some people on these forums has realized that it makes no sense that a hyper-advanced machine race wouldn't travel to Andromeda, when intergalactic travel is possible (I've talked about this several times, and I'm not going to list all of the arguments here). I think BioWare should focus on creating enemies that we can relate to, rather than creating another threat that requires another miracle for us to solve.

 

I hope we get a good explanation for why the Reapers aren't in Andromeda.

[Iakus]

 

I hope we get a good explanation for why the Reapers aren't in Andromeda.

We can hope, but we should also be prepared for disappointment.

 

On the other had, we will probably get a refreshing breeze from all the handwaving.

[AresKeith]

I hope we get a good explanation for why the Reapers aren't in Andromeda.

 

Why should there be an explanation for Reapers staying in the Milky Way?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, that depends. There might actually be something akin to relays.

But that wouldn't be spoiled by saying there aren't Mass Relays. 

 

Why should there be an explanation for Reapers staying in the Milky Way?

Because the idea of a group of races that have been spacefaring for only a few millennia having intergalactic capabilities yet a race that has been around for over a billion years doesn't brings up questions.