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[Danny Boy 7]

I have said this exact same thing.  If this is some sort of ark to save these species from extinction by sending them to Andromeda somehow, then even if they are in stasis the whole trip, after they land, there will not be enough of the other races to survive asarination.  They will all be assimilated!  All will be Asari.  But hey, it's Bioware, we have to expect bad writing.

Not to be crass, but you're assuming that everyone would actively want to **** Asari simply because they are there. I mean I'm not exactly aware of the numbers of each race or how they're intermingling, but I would think the shorter lived races would have more children and grow faster since it takes a hundred years before an Asari is even in the Spring Break er I mean the uh baby making phase of their lives. Samara is almost a thousand years old (if I remember right) and she only had three daughters. 

[Xetykins]

I've only just recently started playing the trilogy and Im a little attached to my Shepard, so I hate it for now. But I'm sure I'll be singing a different song before MEA comes out in a yrs time :-)

[Fast Jimmy]

Not to be crass, but you're assuming that everyone would actively want to **** Asari simply because they are there. I mean I'm not exactly aware of the numbers of each race or how they're intermingling, but I would think the shorter lived races would have more children and grow faster since it takes a hundred years before an Asari is even in the Spring Break er I mean the uh baby making phase of their lives. Samara is almost a thousand years old (if I remember right) and she only had three daughters.

Samara is a bad example. She had a clear genetic disease that created mutant murder babies. She was so horrified at her own reproductive results she became a monk that shunned all romance and dedicated her life to hunting down any of her children who stepped out of line.

I'd say the chances of that being typical for Asari is slim. I'm betting the size of Thanksgiving Dinner at the average Asari Matriarch house is like Lilith Fair with blue body paint.

[Danny Boy 7]

Regardless, why wouldn't the Milky Way send a "hey guys, war's over" notice out?

They probably wouldn't have the resources to chase them after Destroy, but Control and Synthesis would both have the full might, knowledge and longevity of the Reapers to catch up and bring them back home. Or, if not, then support them somehow.

I think people are seriously underestimating what "the Reapers are now good guys" would do in terms of the course of the future and the ability of the Galaxy after the war is over. It's stupid over-powered.

They had to rebuild? Who says they didn't afterwards? Maybe they just couldn't reach the fleet or ship or whatever. Maybe everyone involved with the mission who stayed behind died when the Crucible was activated? Hell maybe the Reapers "knowledge" said....yeah they probably won't make it. The numbers of reasons are endless.

[Cyonan]

A very long time? A couple centuries, MAYBE a millenia, max. That still gives them tens of thousands of years before the next Realing cycle. Yes, most hibernate, but if organics can cobble together an ark ship in a few years to escape before the end of ME3, then ancient, powerful and immortal Reapers can explore the closest Galaxy, at least once or twice, in their hundreds of millions of years of existence.

The amount of time when discussing beings that live for millions of years is extremely relative.

 

The point about the time is that they're not just steamrolling us with no effort. If they were actually wiping out advanced life in Andromeda too, then they'd need to effectively cut their fleet strength in half, because you'd need a full blown invasion fleet.

 

Plus they're ultimately still just run by an AI. It's kind of like asking why my anti-virus doesn't start scanning other computers on my network.

[Artemis_Entrari]

I neither love it or hate it at this point.  There's just so little information available for me to form a definite opinion, one way or the other.

 

There may be *aspects* of the game that's been revealed that I may not entirely like, but to overall hate the game already?  Silly, IMO.

[Maniccc]

Wouldn't they still be looking then? The universe as far as I'm aware still goes on and on, so if they went to another galaxy (which would bring a whole host of questions like, isn't it possible they all got wiped out by some other super race?) why the hell do they keep coming back to the Milky Way every 50,000 years? I personally think there are a thousand reasons why the Reapers wouldn't go to Andromeda as opposed why they would stay.

Huh?  Looking for what?  More life in more galaxies?  Guess what...

 

In ME1,2, I speculated that maybe the Reapers were doing this not just in the Milky Way, but in many galaxies, spreading like some sort of mad machine plague across the universe.  If you create a race so ancient, so advanced, constantly growing itself by constructing new Reapers based on new DNA supplied by thousands, millions, billions of planets for a billion years...you have one heck of a race.  They live outside of any galaxy, which already makes them an external force.  It makes no sense (despite your thousand reasons claim) to not go beyond one little galaxy in this vast universe.  

 

Think about it..they are a Billion years old!  That is just astonishingly ancient.  I think you underestimate that age, and all that could be done in that enormous space of time.

[Otter-under-the-mountain]

Bioware has yet to make something that left me dissatisfied since Baldur's Gate. And even that was mostly because I was about six (looking back, I think my father may have made a serious misjudgment in telling me to play it) and had no idea what I was doing and always died about five minutes after the tutorial.

 

I'm trying to avoid letting myself get too excited because it's going to be 16-18 months even assuming it's not delayed and I don't want my brain to explode, but it's safe to say I'm going to preorder as soon as the option comes up on origin.

[Danny Boy 7]

Samara is a bad example. She had a clear genetic disease that created mutant murder babies. She was so horrified at her own reproductive results she became a monk that shunned all romance and dedicated her life to hunting down any of her children who stepped out of line.

I'd say the chances of that being typical for Asari is slim. I'm betting the size of Thanksgiving Dinner at the average Asari Matriarch house is like Lilith Fair with blue body paint.

While that last bit made me smile Benezia only had Liara as far as we know. Liara's father, who's name escapes me, doesn't mention having many siblings either or a lot of children. I mean there is no evidence that they would have a lot of children and considering they lived on a single planet for generations and didn't overpopulate that mother we can imagine that while long lived they likely weren't banging every second of everyday...I die a little inside when I think that...anyway I don't doubt Asari families are big, but because they live long not because each mother has eight kids every ten years.

[Arcian]

So I've noticed a lot of people already criticizing the game before we have any kind of details of this game.  Aside from the leak, which the only thing to be factual as of yet is that it takes place in the Andromeda galaxy and that we will have a Krogan squadmate (possibly female).
 
But why do you already dislike the game?

You just said why.

it takes place in the Andromeda galaxy

[Paridave]

Why wouldn't they?  They live in darkspace, between galaxies.  They are vast, and ridiculously ancient.  What are they going to for a billion years?  They could easily go to another galaxy, searching for organics to save from synthetics.

Because the Reapers are part of the problem with the Trilogy, and invincible galactic enemy.  They are the reason for that terrible ending of ME3 and the reason the Milky Way was changed forever.  It is because of them the next game is going to take place in Andromeda.  They are the reason ME:A is taking place far into the future.  In other words, the Reapers are baggage, and as such, are going to be left behind.  You will never hear from the Reapers again.  Very, very little from the Trilogy will travel to ME:A. 

[Maniccc]

Because the Reapers are part of the problem with the Trilogy, and invincible galactic enemy.  They are the reason for that terrible ending of ME3 and the reason the Milky Way was changed forever.  It is because of them the next game is going to take place in Andromeda.  They are the reason ME:A is taking place far into the future.  In other words, the Reapers are baggage, and as such, are going to be left behind.  You will never hear from the Reapers again.  Very, very little from the Trilogy will travel to ME:A. 

We all know that....  But thinking logically from the ME trilogy, it makes no sense that Andromeda would be Reaper free.  My point is just this, as i have stated several times in different topics:  the Andromeda escape is nonsense.  And what they should have done to escape the lousy writing in the ME trilogy is to create from scratch a whole new sci-fi IP.  Using nonsense to escape nonsense only creates more nonsense.

[Sion1138]

Because the Reapers are part of the problem with the Trilogy, and invincible galactic enemy.  They are the reason for that terrible ending of ME3 and the reason the Milky Way was changed forever.  It is because of them the next game is going to take place in Andromeda.  They are the reason ME:A is taking place far into the future.  In other words, the Reapers are baggage, and as such, are going to be left behind.  You will never hear from the Reapers again.  Very, very little from the Trilogy will travel to ME:A. 

 

That may be but I wouldn't be so sure.

 

Judging from the leak, we will again be encountering the remnants of an ancient, possibly extinct civilization.

 

Sounds familiar, no?

[Switish]

Hyped that its finally announced, reserved as to the actual game. Will decide when I actually see more facts and game play footage. I do hate it when companies shoot their trailers in supposedly "In game" engine, when we all know its running on a steroid PC with liquid coolers, includes 200 fans as backup and a graphics card that costs too much to even be worth placing in a PC. Kinda want them to do an actual CGI trailer (which we know the start of it was) then show gamplay in the engine or cutscenes.

[Kingthlayer]

I'm nowhere near love or hate, but I am leaning more towards a negative approach at the moment.  The Mass Effect 3 endings were so bad that BioWare felt the need to throw us into a different galaxy, but instead of taking a creative approach to it, they decided they're just going to give us the exact same species we already had, with the same military system in place(n7, I would be shocked if we the player didn't become the first spectre in the new galaxy)

 

Plus if I'm not mistaken this is the first game release by BioWare Montreal, I've not followed if they're keeping the same writers and just moved them cross country, or if it's a virgin writing team.  Because that right there is a huge factor, bringing a different team in charge of combat or level design, that's one thing, but the writing is key to the success of every single BioWare game, and I really hope they have writers who can carry the weight that is on their shoulders right now.

[Danny Boy 7]

Huh?  Looking for what?  More life in more galaxies?  Guess what...

 

In ME1,2, I speculated that maybe the Reapers were doing this not just in the Milky Way, but in many galaxies, spreading like some sort of mad machine plague across the universe.  If you create a race so ancient, so advanced, constantly growing itself by constructing new Reapers based on new DNA supplied by thousands, millions, billions of planets for a billion years...you have one heck of a race.  They live outside of any galaxy, which already makes them an external force.  It makes no sense (despite your thousand reasons claim) to not go beyond one little galaxy in this vast universe.  

 

Think about it..they are a Billion years old!  That is just astonishingly ancient.  I think you underestimate that age, and all that could be done in that enormous space of time.

They make one Reaper per conquered race right? As others have mentioned they would need to fully invade a new galaxy not run into a race that could whip their ass or is already fully synthetic. They would also not have to run into a civilization that somehow overcame the synthetic-organic struggle peacefully which would completely overwrite their programming since the creation of the Crucible gave the Catalyst "new options", they would for efficiency sake have to not only clear out every single race in that galaxy capable of spaceflight (without the benefit of the Citadel/Leviathan records), but also prevent those races who had developed without Leviathan input from somehow fleeing. Barring all that they would have to keep doing that for a billion years in multiple galaxies, each time giving each galaxy a chance to do the exact same thing ours did. Following each reaping they would have to hunt down each galaxy's version of "Mass Relays" and destroy them/commandeer them to

 

*sorry my dogs hit my keyboard*

 

...replicate the Milky Way extermination, move on to the next galaxy and then somehow get back to the Milky Way in time for dinner....which is much more macabre when I think about it.

 

I don't doubt that they have had a lot of time to do a lot of things I just think its even sillier to think that in the Billion years you pointed out that nothing stopped them...at all and I mean new races in galaxies thousands of years away who might have been freaking Superman lol. Kidding aside the Reapers could have run into the Borg merged with the Death Star at any point in time. Just WAY too many ways that the Reapers could have deemed going out into the unknown pointless or inefficient.

[Paridave]

A very long time? A couple centuries, MAYBE a millenia, max. That still gives them tens of thousands of years before the next Realing cycle. Yes, most hibernate, but if organics can cobble together an ark ship in a few years to escape before the end of ME3, then ancient, powerful and immortal Reapers can explore the closest Galaxy, at least once or twice, in their hundreds of millions of years of existence.

The amount of time when discussing beings that live for millions of years is extremely relative.

This is a soft reboot and that means no Reapers.  Undoubtedly there will be Mass Effect Relays but in Andromeda they will have been built by "The Remnants," or what ever they decide to call them.  References to anything in the Trilogy will be fleeting at best.

[Danny Boy 7]

We all know that....  But thinking logically from the ME trilogy, it makes no sense that Andromeda would be Reaper free.  My point is just this, as i have stated several times in different topics:  the Andromeda escape is nonsense.  And what they should have done to escape the lousy writing in the ME trilogy is to create from scratch a whole new sci-fi IP.  Using nonsense to escape nonsense only creates more nonsense.

ACTUALLY...the trilogy said that the Reapers return to Dark Space and I believe it's mentioned that they hibernate which would explain why they're so focused on the Milky Way. Maybe they can't exist outside the Catalyst's sphere of influence? SOO there ya go.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

I'm personally glad they're distancing ME:A away from the train wreck ME3 SP ended in.

[Linkenski]

"Does it have to be one or the other? Love or Hate?" - Naked Snake

[Paridave]

That may be but I wouldn't be so sure.

 

Judging from the leak, we will again be encountering the remnants of an ancient, possibly extinct civilization.

 

Sounds familiar, no?

It sounds familiar because it's a soft reboot.  They're bringing along what worked and leaving behind what didn't.  There's a new villain called the Khet, that too sounds familiar.  Besides, there's no reason to bring an invincible enemy to Andromeda unless you want to change that galaxy forever as well.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I'm not going to make any assumptions before the game is released (I made that mistake with DAI and was both extremely disappointed and short eighty bucks), but I am still super hyped about MEA. If they can do better than the ME trilogy itself and not go the DAI route (I know it's a separate division, but I'm sure they learn from each other), I think it'll turn out well. Even better if they bring back universal squad mate helmets and leave the catsuits and sexbots behind forever, for cryin' out loud.

 

I'm also super hyped for Dark Souls 3 and Fallout 4!  The hype train has never been scheduled to make so many stops in one go before!

[Excella Gionne]

Don't hate.

 

Love.

 

pece

[Maniccc]

They make one Reaper per conquered race right? As others have mentioned they would need to fully invade a new galaxy not run into a race that could whip their ass or is already fully synthetic. They would also not have to run into a civilization that somehow overcame the synthetic-organic struggle peacefully which would completely overwrite their programming since the creation of the Crucible gave the Catalyst "new options", they would for efficiency sake have to not only clear out every single race in that galaxy capable of spaceflight (without the benefit of the Citadel/Leviathan records), but also prevent those races who had developed without Leviathan input from somehow fleeing. Barring all that they would have to keep doing that for a billion years in multiple galaxies, each time giving each galaxy a chance to do the exact same thing ours did. Following each reaping they would have to hunt down each galaxy's version of "Mass Relays" and destroy them/commandeer them to

 

*sorry my dogs hit my keyboard*

 

...replicate the Milky Way extermination, move on to the next galaxy and then somehow get back to the Milky Way in time for dinner....which is much more macabre when I think about it.

 

I don't doubt that they have had a lot of time to do a lot of things I just think its even sillier to think that in the Billion years you pointed out that nothing stopped them...at all and I mean new races in galaxies thousands of years away who might have been freaking Superman lol. Kidding aside the Reapers could have run into the Borg merged with the Death Star at any point in time. Just WAY too many ways that the Reapers could have deemed going out into the unknown pointless or inefficient.

How many races or galaxies would they go through before getting their asxes kicked?

 

Look, it's all speculation, but the universe just too big, and the Reapers too old to simply hand wave away any expansion of their activities to other galaxies.  It just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

ACTUALLY...the trilogy said that the Reapers return to Dark Space and I believe it's mentioned that they hibernate which would explain why they're so focused on the Milky Way. Maybe they can't exist outside the Catalyst's sphere of influence? SOO there ya go.

Or maybe they can.  And maybe they scout other galaxies, and maybe they can create dark space relays to communicate and travel to other galaxies and maybe this and the other thing.  But so what?  The simple fact that the Reapers are ancient, and that they never went anywhere while massively tech primitive species in the Milky Way (relative to the Reapers) are going to Andromeda just makes no sense.  If we can somehow in the midst of our own annihilation put together some sort of inter galactic fact finding mission or whatever, then the Reapers must have purposefully gone to Andromeda during their billion year existence.

 

Yes yes, i know that they probably have no in the ME story that is getting created.  Bad writing is bad writing, but what else is new?  Bad writing is old hat to this franchise.

[KaiserShep]

I can't really say. I can say however that it already has my money. My checking account just doesn't know it yet.