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[AlanC9]

Totally agree with this. In recent times Bioware's been writing the sexual orientation of the characters for politically correct reasons rather than because it fits the story they're trying to tell. In an attempt to please everyone they end up pleasing no one. It has to stop.

Really? I've seen a few Gamergate types freak out, but they're the only ones getting their panties in a twist. Are you sure this is actually a problem?

I guess it'd help if you could point out which characters' orientations are actually causing a problem, and why it's a problem

[In Exile]

Really? I've seen a few Gamergate types freak out, but they're the only ones getting their panties in a twist. Are you sure this is actually a problem?

It's not. But to some recognitions that other groups exist is shoe-horning.

[Rannik]

Having gay/lesbian/bi/trans/whatever characters is not shoehorning and no one but the most crazies will bat an eye at it because it does not negatively affect the quality of the writing (quite the opposite imo), there are lots of examples of this.

 

But going through a list crossing as many as them as possible during the design process is indeed shoehorning and the only thing you could end up with is a cast of freaks or walking stereotypes, as seen in DAI.

 

I fail to see how the thread got here though...

[KaiserShep]

What do you mean? We had three games with a fixed protagonist, or am I misinterpreting you?

When I say fixed, I mean a character that is not customizable in appearance and has a set personality as well as gender. I didn't want to say "Like Geralt" as an example because the TW3 vs Inquisition threads are kind of annoying, but pretty much like that. 

[KaiserShep]

Totally agree with this. In recent times Bioware's been writing the sexual orientation of the characters for politically correct reasons rather than because it fits the story they're trying to tell. In an attempt to please everyone they end up pleasing no one. It has to stop.

 

I'm curious if there's a specific example you have in mind here. Like, how does the character's sexual orientation affect the story the writers are trying to tell, and what situation would make an alternative more appropriate? 

 

The irony here is that in Bio's latest entry, the character with the most relevance to the story is straight, and gated to one race no less. 

[Hellamarian]

• Microtransactions/Day-one DLC.
• Too much focus on multiplayer.
• Another 3 ending.
• Bad/rushed writing.
• Bad optimization/too much console-only focus.

[FemShem]

Honestly, if Bioware ditched the romances and plot.  iI's what they do!

[The Twilight God]

What kind of announcement or feature would make you go "nope, I'm not buying this, then!"?

1. Mac Walters. Great character writer, but the guy couldn't write his way out of a wet tissue when it comes to a decent coherent plot/story.


2. Also day 1 DLC for preorders. I would never preorder a Bioware game again and I will not pay extra for cut material after release.

Although, to be honest, there is a good chance I simply won't invest my time into any new Bioware IP. Not until the entire trilogy is done and it's all known to be good. I simply don't trust Bioware.

[hostaman]

If cd projeckt red create a Space opera before MEA come's out.

[Felya87]

Is the hypothetical male romance option being bi really so terrible?

Is in the sense of males romancable by a woman. (I should have sayd "straight relationship" but english is not my native language. Sometimes I can be not as clear as I want).

Since in ME3 only the romances for straight female end badly (and is a trend in DA Too. Most males, if are romancable by women, have easily doomed relationship. Only anders is the exeption that is tragic for both male and female player. And I have this nagging feeling this is the motive he have been given a chance...).

So maybe a BI male would be somehow safe from the tragic trend, but BioWare is so attached to the trend I would not be surprised if the romance with a BI man end happily for a s/s couple, but bad for the straight one.

And even if I have no problem if the LI is interesting enought to play different gender and sexuality, My preferred combo is still straight female. Not having a chance to play it, or having only tragic ending romances of this kind, would quite frankly put me off the game, even if I may appreciate others combo.

[slaythatdragon]

I don't mind a set protagonist anymore.
Having a canonised protagonist did amazing things for The Witcher 3 and turned me around on it.

For me the only deal breaker would be that it's a standalone game and not a trilogy.

[tehturian]

MMO.

Instant fan boner killer. 

[SpunkyMonkey]

MMO's about the only one tbh.

 

So long as it's good I don't really care how they get there.

[DuskWanderer]

Really? I've seen a few Gamergate types freak out, but they're the only ones getting their panties in a twist. Are you sure this is actually a problem?

I guess it'd help if you could point out which characters' orientations are actually causing a problem, and why it's a problem

 

Dorian was an incredibly poorly written character, and talked far too much about sexuality. 

 

The fact that Weekes seems to think Krem is "inspiring" is also a problem. He's a generic boring mercenary with a sexual gimmick. 

[TruthSerum]

Point and click old school rpg controls. 

[RatThing]

Even more preachiness than in the last games, especially more AI singularity and transhumanism propaganda. Sometimes the games felt like they were done by some strange "Jim Jones" like cult with AI technology as the basis for their beliefs.

[Linkenski]

MMO's about the only one tbh.

 

So long as it's good I don't really care how they get there.

 

FPS.

MMO.

Set protagonist.

We're still good so long as those are out of the equation.

 

MMO.

 

Now, why the hell would they even do that, lol?

 

Okay, I think according to our common criteria ME:A is probably not gonna end up being skipped by any of us.

 

Here's a few of mine:

 

I wouldn't buy the game if...:

- too much dabbling around in how it connects to the events of the trilogy i.e. continuing to retroactively try and justify the ME3 ending or Crucible or Leviathans. That ship has sailed.

- If the plot actually ends up ME1 in new clothes.

- If all pre-release teasers and footage sledgehammer the point of the game as if it's all about humanity and appeal to us as if that's what we think is cool about Mass Effect

- Massive amounts of autodialogue, lack of cinematic conversations.

- Main story that takes up 15-20 hours while you end up spending 50 hours on grinding and clearing objectives that don't leave an impact on you.

- If the game has as many glitches as DA:I on launch I will avoid it for a month or two

- no classes.

- environments that are as video-gamey as DA:I's (e.g. The Spooky Area, The Snow World, The Forest World(s), The Desert World)

- MMO level-design (meaning, if the objectives in the world in conjunction with the world-design is based around time-sinks rather than good contextualized world-building and NPC characters that leave a mark on you)

 

I don't remember characters like Mouse from Mass Effect 2, but at least I remember that his name was Mouse and that he was the guy I was looking for with Thane. I doubt I would've remembered any of that if it wasn't all cinematic or the camera angles put emphasis on sort of an empathy for Thane and what he was thinking. I actually think the lack of cinematography in DA:I was my biggest dislike along with the lack of good quests and the whole design around questing.

[My other account is banned]

Quite simply...

 

No multiplayer.

 

I have no hope of them making a good SP campaign after ME3...

[Dubozz]

mass effect 3 shitty ending.

 

Wait a minute...

[Panda]

It's ME of cource I will buy it. Unless they change it to only multiplayer game.. or don't make it available on PS4

[The Elder King]

1. Mac Walters. Great character writer, but the guy couldn't write his way out of a wet tissue when it comes to a decent coherent plot/story.2. Also day 1 DLC for preorders. I would never preorder a Bioware game again and I will not pay extra for cut material after release.Although, to be honest, there is a good chance I simply won't invest my time into any new Bioware IP. Not until the entire trilogy is done and it's all known to be good. I simply don't trust Bioware.

Mac Walters is the Creative Director for MEA.

[Linkenski]

MP being connected to single-player in any way whether its ME3 style or anything else that would mean 1 player can't 100% complete SP with SP alone. Dragon Age: Inquisition kept them completely separate so Mass Effect: Andromeda should as well. 

Microtransactions in single-player. Microtransactions in F2P games are one thing but they shouldn't find their way into non-F2P games. 

This just reminded me how painful it would've been if DA:I's MP was actually required for 100% single player completion. Oh god. Another minute of those repetitive and soulless characters bantering back and forth in MP would've killed me. How anyone could have fun with that MP mode is just beyond me /offtopic.

[TeffexPope]

Probably nothing. Though, if Keth turn out to just be 'Geth of Andromeda' that would be kind of lame, mainly due to the fact that they are only one letter away from being the same word...