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[andy6915]

I didn't realize it for my 2 female characters, because... You know, being female. But I eventually want to do a male qunari or male dwarf next, but ran into a problem when I started to think about what kind of playthrough it would be. There's no good romances available. Every male romance, except Bull, is religious. Cassandra? Hardcore religiously indoctrinated. Josie? Not indoctrinated, but still quite religious. Dorian? He flat-out tells you he's an Andrastian. Compare that to female choices. Blackwall never brings up the Maker or religion as far as I've seen, Solas is about as far from a believer as you can be, Sera seems to at least be agnostic and doesn't actually believe you're Andraste's herald based on the conversation you have with her when you first reach Skyhold, and of course there's bull. Cullen is the only one out of five romances who is actually religious. So who the hell is my male dwarf going to go with? A bunch of nutters who believe there's some absentee father figure who made the world instead of rightfully worshiping their ancestors as guiding forces, or Bull who will not really fit his personality at all? What about my male qunari? He's just full on atheist, no ancestor worship. His parents threw out the Qun's beliefs, but they still didn't believe in the Chantry's teaching after living for decades in a society that is about as hardcore secular as you can get that teaches them belief in gods is nonsense. Neither of them have any good options. You want a female who isn't religious, you got 4 choices. You want a male, you got 1 choice and that particular choice needs a rather particular personality for your Inquisitor to make the romance fit them (and never mind the KIND of sex Bull likes that might not match your character).

 

I only just realized this tonight. This might be the first time I am forced to just not romance anyone in a DA game. A male Inquisitor is forced to fall in love with people who have conflicts of religious belief that make romance seem unlikely and not at all fitting (or fall in love with a guy who is a dom and into hardcore BDSM who is at least non-religious thanks to being qunari). I seriously have no good choices for either of those characters, they either need to be female to romance people that would make sense or they need to not be the kind of characters I was going to play them as in terms of beliefs and personality.

 

And you know... It sucks for females too in the opposite way, come to think of it. If your female character is hardcore religious, your one option is Cullen whom you might not even like either because of his personality or the whole ex-templar thing. Males are stuck dating religious people and females are stuck with atheistic or agnostic people. There's no damn middle ground here.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

You know, they don't insist that -you- share their faith.  Basically, you're just too darned picky in who you want to date.

[andy6915]

You know, they don't insist that -you- share their faith.  Basically, you're just too darned picky in who you want to date.

 

It still makes the romance not entirely fitting.

[Iakus]

Played agnostic qunar merc who didn't buy into Chantry doctrine and romanced Josephine.

 

Worked out fine.

[Legion of 1337]

Most humans are Andrastian. What did you expect?

[andy6915]

Most humans are Andrastian. What did you expect?

 

True...

 

*sigh*

 

What I wouldn't do for a female dwarf party member who could be romanced. And I don't mean Harding, she isn't even a full romance.

[Legion of 1337]

True...

 

*sigh*

 

What I wouldn't do for a female dwarf party member who could be romanced. And I don't mean Harding, she isn't even a full romance.

Yeah if you aren't a human (who should be played as Andrastian unless you just want to throw believablility out the window), it doesn't really make sense for you to romance anyone unless you're Qunari, in which case there's Bull.

[Deztyn]

Sera and Blackwall are both Andrastian.

Pretty much everyone in the Inquisition is Andrastian.

 

Even so, the only person who will take issue with the Inquisitor's faith is Sera.

 

Edit: To clarify, Sera is the only one where an issue of faith can be romance breaking. I'm sure it makes Cass a lot harder to win over, but not impossible I believe.

[Orian Tabris]

Your characters can romance someone, even if they don't have religious beliefs. Like, in Origins, you could romance Leliana, but never mention Him, or go so far as to say "Let's not bring the Maker into this." I did that, and one of my Wardens, though he didn't believe in Andraste or the Maker, still accepted Leliana as she is, religious and all.

 

Really, as long as your PC isn't anti-religion, there's no reason why they can't fall in love with a character who is. It fits to have someone who is atheist/agnostic/whatever that is interested in one who is. Like, Cassandra is a devout follower of Andraste, but a non-religious warrior could easily fall for her, purely based on her strength of will or her fighting spirit. Religion shouldn't dictate who you do or do not like/love - it's actually very narrow-minded to think like that, since there are always other traits a person can have.

[Sir Froggie]

Why would Dorian, a character whose entire storyline revolves around rebellion and challenging social norms, try to convert you? In fact given that Dorian has extra dialog about the dwarves of Tevinter and how he finds it funny that a dwarf would be the one to save the Southerners, you can make a case that Dorian is the best option for a dwarf.

[Orian Tabris]

Why would Dorian, a character whose entire storyline revolves around rebellion and challenging social norms, try to convert you? In fact given that Dorian has extra dialog about the dwarves of Tevinter and how he finds it funny that a dwarf would be the one to save the Southerners, you can make a case that Dorian is the best option for a dwarf.

 

He never said that Dorian would try to convert anyone.

[Sir Froggie]

He never said that Dorian would try to convert anyone.

Then I'm clearly more tired than I thought and even more confused as to what the problem is. Dorian is tailor made for dwarves.

[andy6915]

Then I'm clearly more tired than I thought and even more confused as to what the problem is. Dorian is tailor made for dwarves.

I just want an atheistic romance for qunari our dwarven Inquisitors.

[Deztyn]

I just want an atheistic romance for qunari our dwarven Inquisitors.

 

An unrealistic expectation given the setting, I believe the only real atheist in the franchise is Morrigan.

[Darkstarr11]

An unrealistic expectation given the setting, I believe the only real atheist in the franchise is Morrigan.

 

I thought it had been said by one of the writers that Morrigan believed in the Maker (deep down) but didn't believe in religion.  

 

Back to the original topic...

 

In fact, a LOT of characters have said that they don't believe in the Chantry, but they believe in Andraste or the Maker.  One of the major themes of Dragon Age is faith...not that you have to have it, but that have it or not, you believe in SOMETHING...even if it just is yourself.  The Herald can outright say there is no Maker.  That they never believed.  There is a bit of values dissonance.  While Thedas has many things that are similar or parallel to our world, it isn't exact.  History has shown that our values don't fit in other times.  Trust me, if you went back a hundred years ago, and started cracking on everyone for how they treat women, you'd be lynched.  Hundreds of years ago, equal rights DIDN'T exist.  Attempting to bring attention to the issue was grounds for a beheading.  During different times, people have believed different things.  What many people want is for everyone to not come to believe in one thing (one religion, one philosophy), but to be able to sit down with anyone, and have discourse in a calm and rational fashion about most any subject.  

 

Expecting to find someone who shares your belief (whatever that may be) isn't a bad thing, however it IS unrealistic to think that anyone out there shares your exact values upon any subject.  That won't happen.  Even people born and raised in the same town will vary due upbringing and genetics.  If you ARE in a place where everyone shares the same EXACT frame of mind, careful with the Kool-Aid.  Because even within faith based, atheistic, or ideological communities there are still those that while they may share your core beliefs, differ upon the exact nature as to how they should be approached.  

 

In the case of Dragon Age, while you may not agree with a companion or love interest, they seem to go with 'agree to disagree' in most cases, with Sera and the Dalish Elf being the one that doesn't work out unless you agree to give up what you believe.  Cassandra herself seems to go with 'you may not believe, and I'm okay with that as long as you are okay with ME believing for both of us', which is a LOT better than fighting it out later with someone because they may have slightly different ideas about how to approach your point of view.  She's up front about it.  In fact, she pretty much goes with 'I believe in Harvey De...', wait, sorry, wrong thought there, oh yeah...

 

I believe in YOU.  In many cases, even in real life, that one is hard to beat.

[Ieldra]

Oddly enough, my male Inquisitor who is an unbeliever would prefer Cassandra (not sure if he could have her since I haven't tried). Why? I don't think it's necessary that your lover shares your faith, but I would only want one who - regardless of what her faith is - is capable and willing to reflect on it. 

[Paragonslustre]

It's not mandatory to romance anyone in DAI.

[Ariella]

@Darkstar

It's not that she believes in the Maker, which is pretty obvious from her conversations with Leliana in DAO. But the devs have said she believes in something greater. What that is, we don't know.

[AlexiaRevan]

I think BW believe in the Maker , I'm not sure for 100% but I do think he does . Sera believe in Andraste , I know..she is the only romance I did many times . 

 

Honestly , companions faith doesnt bother me . And yes ! I would take Gladly Cass with her faith , since she use it in an awesome way ! aka doesnt shove it in your face even when you say you dont believe . 

 

I played a Qunari Mage who doesnt have faith in anything but coin .What your Li believe in isnt important since it doesnt matter . Well save for Cass since she can be a divine , but really..whats more annoying is the herald title . I can live with my Li believing in the Maker . Sera belive in Andraste..I believe in coin...it worked fine . 

[Andraste_Reborn]

In the entire inner circle, the only characters that aren't Andrastian are Solas, Cole and Bull. The other nine all believe in the Maker one way or another - Blackwall says so at the Temple of Mythal, and Sera talks about it several times.

 

That said, I do think the female love interests could use more variety in their backgrounds - out of the six female love interests available to male PCs across the series, half have been Andrastian humans, and the sole lesbian so far is an Andrastian elf. A dwarf or a qunari would be welcome in future.

 

(Of course, I'm just saying that because of my ongoing campaign for a dwarf romance of any kind.)

[Darkstarr11]

@Darkstar

It's not that she believes in the Maker, which is pretty obvious from her conversations with Leliana in DAO. But the devs have said she believes in something greater. What that is, we don't know.

 

Thanks for the correction.   I was going off memory...which is spotty at best.

[Fearsome1]

At this point I've romanced every possible combination available for Inquisition, except Solas (which I started once and then opted out before completing it). I've done Josephine & Cullen, Cassandra, Iron Bull (as both male and female), Blackwall, Sera, and Dorian. I like Scout Harding, but do not pine for the option to romance her, as many have expressed.

 

For me the Inquisition characters that are intriguing enough to have me regretting the fact that they are not available as love interests are actually Fiona [For whatever strange reason did they have her loitering at Skyhold anyway?], Vivienne, Michel de Chevin, Fairbanks, and I regret that they opted to not include a fun brothel this time out.

[andy6915]

I think BW believe in the Maker , I'm not sure for 100% but I do think he does . Sera believe in Andraste , I know..she is the only romance I did many times . 
 
Honestly , companions faith doesnt bother me . And yes ! I would take Gladly Cass with her faith , since she use it in an awesome way ! aka doesnt shove it in your face even when you say you dont believe . 
 
I played a Qunari Mage who doesnt have faith in anything but coin .What your Li believe in isnt important since it doesnt matter . Well save for Cass since she can be a divine , but really..whats more annoying is the herald title . I can live with my Li believing in the Maker . Sera belive in Andraste..I believe in coin...it worked fine .

 
It's not belief in the maker, it's how much it seems to be core to their character. Sera doesn't even think you're Andraste's herald and seems to be a deist but not exactly an Andrastian, Blackwall I don't even recall bringing the maker up in any of his dialogue nor do I remember him bringing Andraste up. Josie actually thinks you're Andraste's chosen, which tells me she's quite religious. And Cassandra is definitely hardcore religious (not that I dislike her, she's quite introspective and thoughtful about her beliefs and is a good person in general). Being Andrastian, I don't mind since most characters in DA are. It's just that it leaves my male dwarven or qunari Inquisitors quite lacking in anyone I feel would truly fit them, people who wear Chantry beliefs on their sleeve or think I'm a special chosen by a Chantry holy figure are people that won't fit them.

At this point I've romanced every possible combination available for Inquisition, except Solas (which I started once and then opted out before completing it). I've done Josephine & Cullen, Cassandra, Iron Bull (as both male and female), Blackwall, Sera, and Dorian. I like Scout Harding, but do not pine for the option to romance her, as many have expressed.

For me the Inquisition characters that are intriguing enough to have me regretting the fact that they are not available as love interests are actually Fiona [For whatever strange reason did they have her loitering at Skyhold anyway?], Vivienne, Michel de Chevin, Fairbanks, and I regret that they opted to not include a fun brothel this time out.

Why'd you opt out, because he leaves you later?

Fiona sticks around the keep because she is the leader-figure of the mages you either conscripted or recruited. Where else would someone with her importance hang out? Doesn't the Templar leader-figure do the same? I haven't done the Templar path yet to know.

[Mikka-chan]

I really don't see a 'person I date has to follow the same faith as me' thing as being a big deal, honestly (and I think it's worth noting that many surface dwarves do believe in the Maker as the Orzammar religion basically is 'surface dwarves don't get to go to the stone and get happiness BLARGH' which isn't very inspiring).

 

In Origins, Lei very much believed, Alistair was quieter about it but also did, Zev was blaise about it but seemed to have some belief (he'd go back and forth about it, as in his reaction to the ashes being "OMG REAL" to "Ooo, nice vase!"), and Morrigan apparently secretly believed but doesn't want anyone to know, darn it.  In DA2, Fenris believed (and even started going to the Chantry after a bit of nudging from Seb), Anders believed but was bitter about the whole thing, Merill strongly believed in her own gods (which Hawke is extremely unlikely to follow), which just leaves Isabella (I don't think she ever mentions anything one way or another, besides her refusual to convert to the Qun, which one can't blame her for).  Oh, and then there's Seb (despite mentioning him a sentence ago, I still almost forgot him), who obviously believed.

 

And then in Inquisition, there's... Bull and Solas, basically, and Bull believes in the Qun (unless you take him from it) and Solas can be patronizing to the Inquisitor who likely does believe in the Dalish gods.  Cullen and Cassandra are strong in their beliefs, Sera is so strong in hers that she'll break up with the Dalish elf over religion (as well as telling them their gods are just demons), and then, yeah, Josie and Dorian and Blackwall all profess belief.

 

Having said that, with the last three, none of them are very outspoken about it.  I certainly don't think romancing someone who didn't believe would bother any of those three, and it doesn't seem to bother Cullen or Cass all that much, either.

 

...And it's worth noting that Bull and Solas are the first male romances in DAII who didn't believe in the Maker.  Origins, Morrigan never really mentioned her quiet belief so one could go on believing she didn't, and Isabella and Merill didn't believe while all the DAII guys did (heck, even Carver and Varric did as well!).  So having male romances that don't believe in the Maker is actually something new... and Bull is open for both genders.

 

(And yet again, it's still worth noting: it's very unlikely that Inquisitor follows the Qun, which Bull does when the romance starts, and Solas certainly doesn't believe in the Dalish Gods the way a Dalish Inquisitor probably does.  So unless your character follows the Maker, they won't find a romantic interest that believes the same no matter what.)