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[Lynroy: Final Edition]

It's not mandatory to romance anyone in DAI.

Yes, it is!

[AlexiaRevan]

 
It's not belief in the maker, it's how much it seems to be core to their character. Sera doesn't even think you're Andraste's herald and seems to be a deist but not exactly an Andrastian, Blackwall I don't even recall bringing the maker up in any of his dialogue nor do I remember him bringing Andraste up. Josie actually thinks you're Andraste's chosen, which tells me she's quite religious. And Cassandra is definitely hardcore religious (not that I dislike her, she's quite introspective and thoughtful about her beliefs and is a good person in general). Being Andrastian, I don't mind since most characters in DA are. It's just that it leaves my male dwarven or qunari Inquisitors quite lacking in anyone I feel would truly fit them, people who wear Chantry beliefs on their sleeve or think I'm a special chosen by a Chantry holy figure are people that won't fit them.


Why'd you opt out, because he leaves you later?

Fiona sticks around the keep because she is the leader-figure of the mages you either conscripted or recruited. Where else would someone with her importance hang out? Doesn't the Templar leader-figure do the same? I haven't done the Templar path yet to know.

I really don't understand the issue . what I mean is , Faith and religion has always been part of an rpg games . In a shape or another . religion and beliefs become an issue in a relationship when the believer want you to convert or the relationship is off . 

 

In DAI nobody is forcing Andraste on you . Thats why I don't get it . Even from a role playing stand , it seem more the opposite . You want to force the no-religion  on someone . 

 

why not role play someone who doesn't care if you hug a tree or a statue of the Maker and just you know..be with that somebody . since trough the whole game , well beside Mother Giselle and a few others...nobody is asking you to believe . Just Parade a flag for the sake of....not creating chaos and all that . 

 

Of course its up to you , but....say if one npc wasn't andrastien . They could still believe in the Old Gods , or something else . Magic maybe ? dumat ? 

 

Would that still fit the bill or do you want an atheist ?? 

[ReiKokoFuuu]

i can understand wanting characters that have all sorts of viewpoints covered, but as others have pointed out, the vast majority of people in thedas are religious to some degree.  as someone who is atheist irl, i don't see a problem with romancing someone who is religious, as long as they don't try to convert you or their religion doesn't interfere with your relationship - which it doesn't in any of the DA romances except for sera's. 

[AlexiaRevan]

i can understand wanting characters that have all sorts of viewpoints covered, but as others have pointed out, the vast majority of people in thedas are religious to some degree.  as someone who is atheist irl, i don't see a problem with romancing someone who is religious, as long as they don't try to convert you or their religion doesn't interfere with your relationship - which it doesn't in any of the DA romances except for sera's. 

exept sera huh ? sera only do it for an elfish fish....I romanced her as a Qunari and she didnt . So it doesn't mean her charachter would do no matter what specie you pick . 

[Dai Grepher]

Your male dwarf should romance Lace Harding. Your male qunari should flirt with Vivienne and bang that one Orlesian noble in Josephine's personal quest.

 

As for the beliefs of Blackwall and Sera, they too believe in the Maker. They just aren't as vocal about it. Blackwall insists that you let the people believe you are Andraste's herald because they need to believe in something. Sera says the Chantry stuff sounds right, but she's just not sure and doesn't like to think about it much. She just wants to see if it's right or not.

 

Even Solas appreciates the concept of the Maker. It seems he would just need some evidence first in order to have some faith.

 

Vivienne seems like the most wishy-washy to me when it comes to the Chant. She says she believes it, and she'll even become Divine, but does she really adhere to it and honestly believe in it, or is she pretending for personal gain? That's why I think an atheist qunari merc would do well to flirt with her, especially if a mage. Just, don't make her Divine in that case. Create a good business arrangement with her. The Circles get restored, she reclaims her position of power as First Enchanter, and she maintains a close relation with the qunari Inquisitor who can act on her behalf in situations where she cannot. In time, that could grow into something more.

[berelinde]

Sera is most definitely Andrastian. The entire reason that she's upset about the Temple of Mythal is because the Creators can't be real because that would mean that Andraste and the Maker aren't. And Blackwall is even more religious than Sera is. If you bring him to the Arbor Wilds, he disapproves of doing the elven rituals because "good Andrastians" (his words) shouldn't pay homage to the Creators. Dorian, by comparison, has no problem doing the rituals, as he sees no harm in being a respectful guest in someone else's home.

 

Of all the LIs, Dorian and Bull are perhaps the most tolerant when it comes to religion. Dorian considers himself Andrastian, but he respects that other people follow other traditions.

[stop_him]

Pffff, please. Same sex lesbian romances are worse. There's really only one choice, Josie. Sera is a hardcore Andrastrian, and reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church: annoying, stupid, and intolerant of others who hold different beliefs.

[Hadeedak]

Yes, it is!

 

HAH. I'm a rebel! I'm not part of your system!

 

*cough*

 

Anyway, I highly suggest unproductive flirting with Vivienne if nothing else works. For one thing, it's amusing as all getout.

[Fearsome1]

Why'd you opt out, because he leaves you later?

Fiona sticks around the keep because she is the leader-figure of the mages you either conscripted or recruited. Where else would someone with her importance hang out? Doesn't the Templar leader-figure do the same? I haven't done the Templar path yet to know.

 

When I was wooing Solas, things just weren't progressing, so I got bored with him. Fiona just stands around, and she has limited dialogue options. Ser Barris appears in Skyhold if you promote him to Knight Commander of the Templars, but that is the only time and circumstance that he has shown up for me?

[nightscrawl]

You know, they don't insist that -you- share their faith. Basically, you're just too darned picky in who you want to date.

I have to agree with this. This isn't really a game issue, it's a personal one. People of differing faiths (or a faith + no faith) fall in love all the time and they somehow manage to get through it.

Hell, it could be an excellent opportunity for some great RP. I'll give you a personal example from my Inquisitor to illustrate my point. My own Inquisitor is Andrastian, but has some struggles with his faith vis-a-vis being the Herald of Andraste, which he considers improbable (the Maker has abandoned us) and borderline blasphemous. When you have the conversation with Dorian about the Chantry in Tevinter you have the opportunity to ask about his own faith -- in this case he and my Inquisitor are pretty similar; my guy is quite jaded with the Chantry (as an institution) because of internecine politics that he witnessed as part of the Trevelyan clan. When Dorian says that the Inquisitor is "our bulwark against evil" that has a profound(ly negative) effect on the way he sees himself in relation to the current events; in other words, the statement fs with his mind by epitomizing the weight of his responsibility in one simple statement.

In this particular case it's not so much the faith itself, but how the faith has led another person, in this case Dorian, to see the Inquisitor. Dorian truly believes it, just as Cassandra believes it. But that doesn't prevent either of them from seeing the Inquisitor as a person that they fall in love with on his own merits. I think you can have a lot of fun with things like that.

[MoonblaDAI]

<snip> Same sex lesbian romances are worse.<snip>

 

I agree, I am all for heterosexual lesbian romances in DA:I...

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oh wait....nevermind...

[AlexiaRevan]

I agree, I am all for heterosexual lesbian romances in DA:I...

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oh wait....nevermind...

made my day !

[nightscrawl]

Fiona sticks around the keep because she is the leader-figure of the mages you either conscripted or recruited. Where else would someone with her importance hang out? Doesn't the Templar leader-figure do the same? I haven't done the Templar path yet to know.

Ser Barris appears in Skyhold if you promote him to Knight Commander of the Templars, but that is the only time and circumstance that he has shown up for me?

Ser Barris appears for his promotion ceremony but then that's it. Most of the time he's off doing missions and such. You can't really equate the mages and templars in this instance because mages don't really have a function as mages -- it's just who they are -- whereas templars do.

[MoonblaDAI]

made my day !

 

 

Now back to topic! I won't derail it again, I swear!

 

[andy6915]

I have to agree with this. This isn't really a game issue, it's a personal one. People of differing faiths (or a faith + no faith) fall in love all the time and they somehow manage to get through it.

Hell, it could be an excellent opportunity for some great RP. I'll give you a personal example from my Inquisitor to illustrate my point. My own Inquisitor is Andrastian, but has some struggles with his faith vis-a-vis being the Herald of Andraste, which he considers improbable (the Maker has abandoned us) and borderline blasphemous. When you have the conversation with Dorian about the Chantry in Tevinter you have the opportunity to ask about his own faith -- in this case he and my Inquisitor are pretty similar; my guy is quite jaded with the Chantry (as an institution) because of internecine politics that he witnessed as part of the Trevelyan clan. When Dorian says that the Inquisitor is "our bulwark against evil" that has a profound(ly negative) effect on the way he sees himself in relation to the current events; in other words, the statement fs with his mind by epitomizing the weight of his responsibility in one simple statement.

In this particular case it's not so much the faith itself, but how the faith has led another person, in this case Dorian, to see the Inquisitor. Dorian truly believes it, just as Cassandra believes it. But that doesn't prevent either of them from seeing the Inquisitor as a person that they fall in love with on his own merits. I think you can have a lot of fun with things like that.

 

I have an interesting role play for my elf, whom I've started after my first playthrough. I'm only just starting the Hinterlands. Anyway, she believes she's chosen and is the Herald... Of Mythal. She thinks the weird glowing woman in the fade who kinda looked like some holy goddess must have been Mythal, and that Mythal is who blessed her with the mark. As far as she's concerned, a elven goddess reaching out to an elf makes a lot more sense than Andraste doing the same thing. So she's arguing to not be the Herald when people call her such, but only because they're calling her the Herald of the wrong person. Oh, this playthrough is going to screw with her head once she finds out some... Things. Yeah, an elven god did sort of give her the mark in a very roundabout way, and yes Mythal does have a role to play in her story, but neither of those 2 facts are going to line up in the way she's expecting.

 

Roleplaying my character to not know things I know as the player is pretty fun.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

When I was wooing Solas, things just weren't progressing, so I got bored with him. Fiona just stands around, and she has limited dialogue options. Ser Barris appears in Skyhold if you promote him to Knight Commander of the Templars, but that is the only time and circumstance that he has shown up for me?

 

What? Where is he supposed to appear?

[Lynroy: Final Edition]

HAH. I'm a rebel! I'm not part of your system!

 

*cough*

 

Anyway, I highly suggest unproductive flirting with Vivienne if nothing else works. For one thing, it's amusing as all getout.

You will be assimilated!

[Daerog]

Ser Barris is not the leader to the Templars unless you ally with the Templars and then promote him. Until then, he is more a veteran, a lowly officer who was taking orders everytime we met him until the Templars had their own little civil war.

 

While the rebel mages kept their leadership with Fiona, the leadership of the rebel Templars either become Red Templars or are killed.

 

Now to comment on the topic:

 

I think it is fair criticism. The OP has an idea on how the PC's story can play out better, and that is with a more varied cast. The story did seem to be better tailored toward an Andrastian PC, just like DA2 was better tailored for a non-mage PC (this is all my opinion, of course).

 

Still, I'm glad to see the characters actually being characters first and LIs second.

 

Although, now that I think about it, BW could always allow two PCs to be made, kind of like the newest Divinity game, and have them be LIs, so you could create your own LI... which might be fine for a fun RP adventure, but kind of lame for a general video game adventure... meh...

[Mikka-chan]

To be fair to Blackwall (which I rarely am), I got the feeling that his objection to you doing the rituals in the Temple of Mythal was less "Noo elven gods don't give them respect ARGH NOT REAL" and more "Dude, our soldiers are out there dying while you're running around doing rituals that could take we don't know how long just because some witch that I don't like says we should instead of being practical and moving the obvious way" (playing in a party with him, Varric and Solas, he never brought up belief, just the soldiers outside).  Iron Bull has no problem with the elven gods, either, but he objects as well to you doing the rituals, I believe for the same reasons.

 

(Irony being that once you know the puzzles, it is far faster to do them and get led around the temple by the elves then to jump in and fight through all the elves- I easily save a half hour, if not more.  But Blackwall/Bull don't know I've played this game entirely too many times for my own good AND if I really got confused I could google a guide in less then three minutes.)

 

Sera definitely objects on religious grounds (she's at her worst through the Temple and the aftermath, especially if romanced with a Dalish elf), and Cass it's probably a combination of religion and the soldier deal.  Viv, I imagine, chiefly objects because it's Morrigan suggesting you do it, and she really hates Morrigan.

 

Solas obviously approves, and Dorian thinks it's interesting.  Cole and Varric don't seem to care, although Cole wants you to ally with the Sentinels, which requires doing the rituals.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well, technically Sera doesn't care whether you worship the Maker, she only cares that you don't care about the Creators.

[MyKingdomCold]

I said early that I don't really hate Sera but she is a twit. One reason is when talking to her after getting your mage spec, she says you're a scawy mage. Doesn't matter how/if I've used my magic to help people or did things to gain her approval. I'm still scawy.

[Gervaise]

I think a lot of the time, at least early on, Sera is struggling with what she does believe.   As she says, suddenly having Cory turn up makes everything too real for comfort.   I noticed that when I played my elf as accepting the role of Herald (not actually believing but playing along, although the game doesn't make that distinction) It was noticeable that in her journal she had tried reading the Chant but got bored with it.    Whereas for my other elves who were more traditional and thus not accepting of the role or the Maker in a way recognised by the game, Sera didn't seem to be interested in reading the Chant.    So your beliefs can have some influence on certain people, both their own faith and the way they see you but only Sera makes it an issue with regard to continuing the romance.

 

Cassandra has her own faith but she seems quite open minded about other people.   After all she was dubbed by the writers as one of the team "Mutually respectful theological debate."    So I'm pretty sure your dwarf wouldn't find it too much of an issue if you did romance her.    In any case, as a surface dwarf you are far more likely to believe (if only nominally) in the local religion (the Maker) than in the Ancestors since you have effectively been rejected by them in living on the surface.   As Cassandra points out even Varric is Andrastrian, although you wouldn't catch him setting foot inside a Chantry unless forced to.

 

As for Josie, whilst she seems disappointed if you don't claim to believe in the Maker, it's hardly a deal breaker.    I'm still working through my romance with her but thus far faith hasn't played a major part in our conversations, although I suppose it is a given considering he is a full on believer that he is the Herald of Andraste.

[Forsythia77]

Have your inquisitor go gay.  Dorian believes in Andraste, but not organized religion.  He also doesn't force his beliefs on you.  Although he does say he does believe in you, the "Inquisitor" as a saving force.  Iron Bull also believes in the Qun (though if you ask me, not as much as he would like to think he does) but again, doesn't force it on you in any way shape or form. I can't comment on Josie, because she never felt like someone I wanted to have any of my Inquisitors romance - she is the Ser Jorah of the Dragonage universe.  As for Cass, she does seem to into the maker for my tastes.  More so than Cullen because when I play the game as a straight female, Cullen is my go to romance (What?  He is pretty and this broad has a bit of a weakeness for a militarily minded guy [side note he is a classic order muppet and I'm an order muppet - unlike Sera who is a classic chaos muppet]).  He's not as ardent about it as Cass is, IMHO.

[Deztyn]

I thought it had been said by one of the writers that Morrigan believed in the Maker (deep down) but didn't believe in religion.

Given her upbringing, I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. I'm having a hard time imagining when she would have become a believer, I certainly can't imagine Flemeth singing the Chant... unless it was ironically while slaughtering the Templars who came after her.

 

@Darkstar

It's not that she believes in the Maker, which is pretty obvious from her conversations with Leliana in DAO. But the devs have said she believes in something greater. What that is, we don't know.

Ah. That seems more likely.

Do you remember where this was said? Not doubting you. I just would really like to know exactly what was said.
 

Vivienne seems like the most wishy-washy to me when it comes to the Chant. She says she believes it, and she'll even become Divine, but does she really adhere to it and honestly believe in it, or is she pretending for personal gain?

Vivienne isn't just talk, she approves of every faithful option you take, actions to protect the world, rescuing people of Haven, disapproves whenever you deny the Maker or suggest you're acting entirely for selfish reasons.

I don't understand why people have such difficulty believing she's a faithful, well meaning person who believes in the Templar Order and the Circles while ALSO being a stylish, power-hungry B*tch with narcissistic tendencies.

It's what makes her so awesome.
 

When I was wooing Solas, things just weren't progressing, so I got bored with him. Fiona just stands around, and she has limited dialogue options. Ser Barris appears in Skyhold if you promote him to Knight Commander of the Templars, but that is the only time and circumstance that he has shown up for me?

Ser Barris is too busy being a BAMF and showing others what being a Templar is all about.
 

Ser Barris appears for his promotion ceremony but then that's it. Most of the time he's off doing missions and such. You can't really equate the mages and templars in this instance because mages don't really have a function as mages -- it's just who they are -- whereas templars do.

I find that attitude troublesome.

The mage rebellion is based on the notion that "We can train and police ourselves, thank you very much, so stay out of our business" they then proceed to do absolutely nothing of the sort.

[Ariella]

Ah. That seems more likely.

Do you remember where this was said? Not doubting you. I just would really like to know exactly what was said.

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