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[FemShem]

My biggest issue with the Chantry is in the very Beg of DA:O when Duncan takes you to perform the ritual, before you head out in the Wilds if you run across the Chantry Sister and tell her your not into the Maker, she yells at you, calls you a heathen and is generally unpleasant.

My Warden was an Atheist and I'm afraid that's carried through all my games.

[nightscrawl]

I find that attitude troublesome.

The mage rebellion is based on the notion that "We can train and police ourselves, thank you very much, so stay out of our business" they then proceed to do absolutely nothing of the sort.

Sorry, I don't understand this statement at all. Attitude about what?

 

Mages are born as mages. Other people voluntarily (more or less) join the templars and train to serve a specific function. Nowhere did I say that Fiona, or any mage leader, doesn't have any role to play. My statement was to suggest that the leader of the mages, no matter who that leader is, has a different role from the leader of the templars. A templar Knight-Commander is foremost a military leader. A mage Grand Enchanter is the guardian of their mages, a caretaker, ensuring their welfare and everything that entails. That is the reason Fiona hangs around Skyhold while Barris does not.

[Super Drone]

Is a... is a girl complaining about he Romances for male PCs??

 

Do we.... do we take a shot...?

[Cobra's_back]

Your male dwarf should romance Lace Harding. Your male qunari should flirt with Vivienne and bang that one Orlesian noble in Josephine's personal quest.

 

As for the beliefs of Blackwall and Sera, they too believe in the Maker. They just aren't as vocal about it. Blackwall insists that you let the people believe you are Andraste's herald because they need to believe in something. Sera says the Chantry stuff sounds right, but she's just not sure and doesn't like to think about it much. She just wants to see if it's right or not.

 

Even Solas appreciates the concept of the Maker. It seems he would just need some evidence first in order to have some faith.

 

Vivienne seems like the most wishy-washy to me when it comes to the Chant. She says she believes it, and she'll even become Divine, but does she really adhere to it and honestly believe in it, or is she pretending for personal gain? That's why I think an atheist qunari merc would do well to flirt with her, especially if a mage. Just, don't make her Divine in that case. Create a good business arrangement with her. The Circles get restored, she reclaims her position of power as First Enchanter, and she maintains a close relation with the qunari Inquisitor who can act on her behalf in situations where she cannot. In time, that could grow into something more.

 

 

No. She does believe and so did Wynne. If you talk to her enough you will understand where she is coming from.

 

Question for you :

 

We can see that Templars were under the control of red lyrium.

 

The Warden mages were doing the blood magic and completely under control of Cory. Not all the wardens were. The warriors had stronger control of themselves. They were still corruptible, but it wasn't as easy. Remember in DA2 Cory had stronger mind control of the mages. 

 

Mages are plainly more susceptible to corruption and Viv knows it.  

 

 

Well that is enough on Viv.

[Deztyn]

Sorry, I don't understand this statement at all. Attitude about what?

 

Mages are born as mages. Other people voluntarily (more or less) join the templars and train to serve a specific function. Nowhere did I say that Fiona, or any mage leader, doesn't have any role to play. My statement was to suggest that the leader of the mages, no matter who that leader is, has a different role from the leader of the templars. A templar Knight-Commander is foremost a military leader. A mage Grand Enchanter is the guardian of their mages, a caretaker, ensuring their welfare and everything that entails. That is the reason Fiona hangs around Skyhold while Barris does not.

 

Your comment suggested to me that the free mages have no obligation to do anything but stand around Skyhold and exist.

 

That is troublesome because as I said, Fiona's rebellion claims that they don't need Templars or the Chantry to keep people safe from magic, they can self-regulate. Yet have never been shown to do anything to fill the hole created by the loss of the Templar Order. The allied Templar war table missions all involve solving magical problems, which in the absence of the Templars I feel should be the Mages responsibility. Mages have a mission to foot the bill for their mistakes. Allied mages have no equivalent missions, just one to collect the rebellions stragglers and bring them to Skyhold (where they do... ?) Conscripted mages only have missions related to the Inquisition being attacked from within.

 

There are NO Mage missions that involve them contributing in any productive way to society, not even mage society. I'm not necessarily claiming they needed to be part of the Inquisitions military forces. But there are no missions where they for instance, reclaim the White Spire to become their new free mage college either.

 

Anyway, before I derail this any further, I apologize if I misread you.

[Potato Cat]

When it comes to Vivienne, it is at least implied she's not that religious. A Chantry sister in Haven can be overheard saying she thinks Vivienne simply just pays lip service. My interpretation is that although she believes in the core teachings of the Chantry and the Maker and clearly has a lot of respect for Andraste and Divine Justinia, I don't believe her actual faith is that strong. I think for her, religion serves a purpose. It's probably the only organisation that can afford to run the Circles after all. Not that I really think it matters at the end of the day. I still think it's really telling that it's only Varric and Vivienne who approve of you saving everyone in Haven.

 

(Sorry to bring it back to Viv, but she is my favourite and I think it's yet another interesting aspect to her character, especially considering her potential fate)

[PapaCharlie9]

 

What I wouldn't do for a female dwarf party member who could be romanced. And I don't mean Harding, she isn't even a full romance.

I'd romance Dagna faster than you could say "Enchantment!" Gonna be a top ten mod, you watch.

[MrMrPendragon]

Yeah well, whataya gonna do?

 

I didn't like them either and I only play as a male character (except for FemShep).

[zambingo]

I'd argue that Cass isn't Hardcore Religiously Indoctrinated, which is using three words to say zealot. Cass is a believer, but she's a truth seeker and she turns away from every opportunity that would make her a zealot. Cass is full of confidence, she's a doer because of this, but she is hesitant to say she knows best instead she questions that there must be a better way... and that's a very important distinction.

With that said, I agree with the general point of the OP. If someone is looking for a non-Andrastian to romance you're basically left with Iron Bull.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

This is a new one.

[Toasted Llama]

"Oh ****! Characters have opinions and possibly religious beliefs that don't align with mine 100%?! OH NO! CHARACTERS AREN'T CARBON COPY YES-SAYERS OF MY INQUISITOR?!"

 

 

 

Seriously, I never understood this issue. I'm an atheist IRL, but Cass and Cullen are among my favourite romances/characters, cause I'm totally fine with them believing in whatever the **** so long as they're nice and not bigoted because of what they believe in.

[Darkstarr11]

My biggest issue with the Chantry is in the very Beg of DA:O when Duncan takes you to perform the ritual, before you head out in the Wilds if you run across the Chantry Sister and tell her your not into the Maker, she yells at you, calls you a heathen and is generally unpleasant.

My Warden was an Atheist and I'm afraid that's carried through all my games.

 

I rarely spoke to her unless I was an Elf.  The response to her was gold.  Something like, 'if I don't agree, will you raze my homeland to the ground?'  She flipped out after that...hehehehe...

[c0bra951]

What did happen to Lace Harding's romance?  I kept thinking I was doing something wrong after she tells me to look her up in the tavern.  It just gets truncated there, doesn't it?  /heartbreak

[Darkstarr11]

What did happen to Lace Harding's romance?  I kept thinking I was doing something wrong after she tells me to look her up in the tavern.  It just gets truncated there, doesn't it?  /heartbreak

 

Either cut or unfinished.  Pretty sad too.  I mean, they said something about one of the writers having a negative reaction to a dwarf romance, yet they let you romance as a dwarf.  I wish I could remember the exact statement, but it did suck that they let you flirt, even had Harding say that you could talk after...and then...

 

...nothing.  

[9TailsFox]

When it comes to Vivienne, it is at least implied she's not that religious. A Chantry sister in Haven can be overheard saying she thinks Vivienne simply just pays lip service. My interpretation is that although she believes in the core teachings of the Chantry and the Maker and clearly has a lot of respect for Andraste and Divine Justinia, I don't believe her actual faith is that strong. I think for her, religion serves a purpose. It's probably the only organisation that can afford to run the Circles after all. Not that I really think it matters at the end of the day. I still think it's really telling that it's only Varric and Vivienne who approve of you saving everyone in Haven.

 

(Sorry to bring it back to Viv, but she is my favourite and I think it's yet another interesting aspect to her character, especially considering her potential fate)

Vivienne believe only in one think Vivienne.

[9TailsFox]

Either cut or unfinished.  Pretty sad too.  I mean, they said something about one of the writers having a negative reaction to a dwarf romance, yet they let you romance as a dwarf.  I wish I could remember the exact statement, but it did suck that they let you flirt, even had Harding say that you could talk after...and then...

 

...nothing.  

So respectable. gay bisexual transcharacters, we can romance giant minotaur but dwarfs no.

[Darkstarr11]

So respectable. gay bisexual transcharacters, we can romance giant minotaur but dwarfs no.

 

Thank you for finding that.  Really?  I thought they looked like a shorter Kardashian.  

 

Yeah, doesn't make sense.  You see, again, they ALREADY gave us a dwarf romance.  Male and Female dwarves can romance most any of the LI's.  So if we can have a female dwarf and Sera, or a male dwarf and Dorian, or even a m/f dwarf and Iron Bull...why can't they make Harding a romance?  

[zambingo]

Look at Harding as a classic unrequited love story. You can actually flirt with her, but it never develops. She is like Aveline in that way. My Hawkes were so into Aveline, but decisions plus self respect or perhaps lack thereof ;-) and Isabela gets the champion.

[9TailsFox]

Look at Harding as a classic unrequited love story. You can actually flirt with her, but it never develops. She is like Aveline in that way. My Hawkes were so into Aveline, but decisions plus self respect or perhaps lack thereof ;-) and Isabela gets the champion.

Avelina is like Vivienne. you can flirt but nothing happens. Harding actually have romance arc but it just stops.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

exept sera huh ? sera only do it for an elfish fish....I romanced her as a Qunari and she didnt . So it doesn't mean her charachter would do no matter what specie you pick . 

 

my point was that she's the only LI who would break up with you over a matter of faith and her inability to accept that the creators were real. 

[Iakus]

Look at Harding as a classic unrequited love story. You can actually flirt with her, but it never develops. She is like Aveline in that way. My Hawkes were so into Aveline, but decisions plus self respect or perhaps lack thereof ;-) and Isabela gets the champion.

Harding  reciprocates.  It just never goes beyond "Let's go out for drinks sometime"

[Darkstarr11]

Harding  reciprocates.  It just never goes beyond "Let's go out for drinks sometime"

 

At least she doesn't say 'You're like a brother/sister to me.'

 

[andy6915]

At least she doesn't say 'You're like a brother/sister to me.'

 

 

And my counter-argument is "and yet that doesn't stop incest, so why should it stop us?".

[PogueMT]

It still makes the romance not entirely fitting.

My big buff, totally atheist Qunari romanced Cass quite happily, despite their differences, it's even addressed directly a couple of times and felt quite fitting to me, if that helps!

[9TailsFox]

my point was that she's the only LI who would break up with you over a matter of faith and her inability to accept that the creators were real. 

Cass break up then she become divine.