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[Medhia_Nox]

I'm sorry guys, but I really think there's going to be an Ark ship from which all colony ships will hail from.

[The Elder King]

Long, long after the Reaper War - long enough for the various endings to be acknowledged, but not make the huge difference that ME3's immediate aftermath would have had. And long enough for us to have the technology to launch such an exploration mission.

Being centuries later won't fix some of the differences in the endings.

I think Bioware is going to parallel what happened here on Earth when the Americas were discovered:  English, Dutch and German in North America, France in the Gulf of Mexico, Spain in Central America and Portugal down in South America.  Instead of the Americas we're talking about Andromeda and instead of counties we're talking about species.  I think the 3 mentioned were the Humans, the Krogans and the Salarians.

Asari were mentioned too, I think.

[Heimdall]

The Krogan having a colony ship doesn't mean they didn't originally arrive in Andromeda on an Ark vessel.  I'm pretty sure we'll be starting our story quite awhile after initially reaching Andromeda and we'll be searching for a new homeworld because the expedition has yet to find a garden world suitable to support more than a small population.

 

Groups have splintered off and tried settling on some of these less ideal worlds, so there will be some minimal infrastructure in place for the Milky Way species.

[Ahriman]

The leak mentioned

Spoiler

a krogan colony ship

I Guess every race have their own colonization project, Though they're all coordinated by a central organization (If the AT is true, I think it'd be stationed there).

Yeah, saw it, but I don't take it too seriously. I just don't think krogans were capable of building intergalactic colony ships during ME. I don't recall them building any large ship at all since genophage. That doesn't mean that they can't be on separate ships though.

[The Elder King]

Yeah, saw it, but I don't take it too seriously. I just don't think krogans were capable of building intergalactic colony ships during ME. I don't recall them building any large ship at all since genophage. That doesn't mean that they can't be on separate ships though.

I didn't mean intergalactic colony ship. I meant a ship to travel in the cluster.

[JasonShepard]

Being centuries later won't fix some of the differences in the endings.

 

No, but it makes it easier to handle, and doesn't make it so that can we never hear about the post-ME3-verse ever again:

 

Destroy? After much research, we figured out how to rebuild the Mass Relays. Maybe the Geth got rebuilt, maybe they didn't.

 

Control? Perhaps the Reapers just left after a while, or they're still policing the Milky Way and we can hear about that.

 

Synthesis? The green glow faded with time, and there are some in-game references to the new abilities we gained from it. Again, either the Reapers are still back at the Milky Way, or they left mysteriously after a while.

[The Elder King]

No, but it makes it easier to handle, and doesn't make it so that can we never hear about the post-ME3-verse ever again:
 
Destroy? After much research, we figured out how to rebuild the Mass Relays. Maybe the Geth got rebuilt, maybe they didn't.
 
Control? Perhaps the Reapers just left after a while, or they're still policing the Milky Way and we can hear about that.
 
Synthesis? The green glow faded with time, and there are some in-game references to the new abilities we gained from it. Again, either the Reapers are still back at the Milky Way, or they left mysteriously after a while.

No, I don't Think it makes It easier. And I don't think those examples Are enough. Handwaving the differjeces in the endings to reach a similar state isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. If they have to address the endings, They have to do It properly.

[SolNebula]

IMO they left before the main assault on Earth, just after Thessia. Remember the Asari Councilor telling you about plans for the preservation of the race. Well that explain pretty much everything. Everyone left before the final mission so none in the Ark know how it ended. A very convenient way of avoiding the ending consequences.

[JasonShepard]

No, I don't Think it makes It easier. And I don't think those examples Are enough. Handwaving the differjeces in the endings to reach a similar state isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion. If they have to address the endings, They have to do It properly.

 

Okay - in that case, what would you consider to be 'doing it properly'?

[DarthSliver]

I would like to think they were fleeing to an unexplored part of the Milky Way to hide from Reapers and stumbled on a Wormhole that in turn lead to Andromeda galaxy. With the tech we know ME Trilogy had there is no way they were aiming for the new Galaxy and more likely they were aiming for a part of the Milky Way the Reapers didn't control or know of. 

[The Elder King]

Okay - in that case, what would you consider 'doing If properly'?

I don't know. The problem is exactly this: I think it'd be difficult for Bioware to handle the differences in the endings in a way that it won't reduce them to the same situation. They can't add the Reapers in Synthesis and Control because It would change completely the plot of the game, or the the fact that in Destroy recovering should be slower, Which might affect the technological progress.
Even If in Synthesis the skin isn't glowy anymore (Why would it though?) the differences in organica and synthetics compared to Destory and Control Are different.

I realize Though that I deleted a part of my post: while I don't think it'd be the right choice to handwave the differences in the endings, it is the most possible way Bioware would proceed If the voyage started post endings.

[JasonShepard]

I don't know. The problem is exactly this: I think it'd be difficult for Bioware to handle the differences in the endings in a way that it won't reduce them to the same situation. They can't add the Reapers in Synthesis and Control because It would change completely the plot of the game, or the the fact that in Destroy recovering should be slower, Which might affect the technological progress.
Even If in Synthesis the skin isn't glowy anymore (Why would it though?) the differences in organica and synthetics compared to Destory and Control Are different.

I realize Though that I deleted a part of my post: while I don't think it'd be the right choice to handwave the differences in the endings, it is the most possible way Bioware would proceed If the voyage started post endings.

 

Fair enough.

 

For the record, I don't think of it as handwaving the differences away. (Well, getting rid of the Synthesis-green-glow would be a handwave, but I doubt many people would be sorry to see that go.)

 

It's more... focusing on how to handle the differences whilst telling a consistent story. Setting the game in Andromeda is a big step towards that, since most of differences are constrained to the Milky Way. The Reapers are either dead, or they're back home, but either way they're not going to be involved in the ME:A's main plot. Synthesis is more awkward, but ME3 was also far more vague about what Synthesis involved, which gives Bioware some wriggle room.

 

At the end of the day, having the post-ME3-world continue to exist in-game is important to me. It's actually more important to me than I expected it to be, since until ME:A was announced, I thought I'd be content with a prequel. *shrugs*

[The Elder King]

Fair enough.

For the record, I don't think of it as handwaving the differences away. (Well, getting rid of the Synthesis-green-glow would be a handwave, but I doubt many people would be sorry to see that go.)

It's more... focusing on how to handle the differences whilst telling a consistent story. Setting the game in Andromeda is a big step towards that, since most of differences are constrained to the Milky Way. The Reapers are either dead, or they're back home, but either way they're not going to be involved in the ME:A's main plot. Synthesis is more awkward, but ME3 was also far more vague about what Synthesis involved, which gives Bioware some wriggle room.

At the end of the day, having the post-ME3-world continue to exist in-game is important to me. It's actually more important to me than I expected it to be, since until ME:A was announced, I thought I'd be content with a prequel. *shrugs*

I understand your point. I don't care much If the voyage started before or after the endings ad long we the explanation for the voyage is decent enough. I understand Why some people want the voyage to start after Though (ad well as people that want it To be set before the endings. Someone will end up disappointed).

[Saul Iscariot]

I want a decent enough explanation for the voyage as long as it matters to the bigger story. I can live with ignoring the voyage if it contributes little to the tale. It is the sense of importance to this story that matters most to me.

[Heimdall]

@JasonShepard

 

Awhile ago I talked about an idea regarding a QEC connection back to the old galaxy.  If they left before the ending and the QEC terminal in the Milky Way was abandoned, what if it was rediscovered centuries later, say in the time of the new PC.  Say Liara (Since she's the one least likely to be dead and survive centuries after the trilogy) rediscovers the QEC and we get to talk to her about what the Milky Way has become post ending.  They could even reflect Refuse if they did that.

 

Would that be enough for it to "continue to exist in game" for you?

[AlanC9]

If they're going to do that, what's the point of moving the setting?

[JasonShepard]

@Heimdall:

 

Not really. I see why you suggested it, but a QEC message of "Hey, we still exist!" would feel... token at best to me.

 

I want our characters to be from the post-ME3 world. An ark leaving before the end of ME3 just feels unrealistic to me (though that would ultimately depend on how Bioware wrote it). But a plotline set after ME3 - we survived, we rebuilt, and now we're once more questing out to explore the universe - feels like an affirmation of the fact that we won the Reaper War. It makes ME3 feel worth something, rather than dodging the ending and making ME3 feel worthless. (This is all entirely subjective to me, however. Your own mileage may vary )

[Wulfram]

If they tied it into the Asari Councillor, it'd be tough to justify having everything be very human.

[Saul Iscariot]

For an explanation as to why we are in Andromeda just have Liara say that there was a catastrophe. Have her explain billions died during the war, many more died after it was settled. Some from things we took for granted when the Relays worked, such as starvation or disease. Contact was lost with many systems, and when it was reconnected what they found was so abhorrent that they were abandoned. Some races were simply lost. What happened to them was nothing more than speculation. 

 

Have her talk about events that were common to all players of the trilogy, where she was present. And how they rebuilt, and how they realised that if the reapers had limited development in the Milky Way it was a worry that there might be more advanced races with other agendas in other galaxies that hadn't had their development stymied. She opposed the idea, but it was decided that the advanced races should look for threats or a safe haven in the event that a threat arose.

[Heimdall]

Honestly that all feels a lot messier than leaving during the war to me.

 

The idea of the writers manufacturing another catastrophe to justify leaving the galaxy while having to explain why technology and whatnot are all the same regardless of ending seems like more trouble than its worth when the Reaper threat probably provides the most convincing argument to do so.  As others have said ad nauseum, the current species in ME have only explored a fraction of the relay system (Let alone worlds outside the relay system), in their own galaxy.  We need greater justification than exploration to see if a threat might be there to justify this kind of trip.

[The Elder King]

If they tied it into the Asari Councillor, it'd be tough to justify having everything be very human.

Why? Out PC would work for the human colonization project, as every race has their own. And everything is coordinated by a central multispecie organization.
Even with the assumption that every race would colonize the same planet, they'e still need Two different projects/ships Since Turians and/or quarian couldn't go to the same planet as the rest.

[Saul Iscariot]

Honestly that all feels a lot messier than leaving during the war to me.

 

The idea of the writers manufacturing another catastrophe to justify leaving the galaxy while having to explain why technology and whatnot are all the same regardless of ending seems like more trouble than its worth when the Reaper threat probably provides the most convincing argument to do so.  As others have said ad nauseum, the current species in ME have only explored a fraction of the relay system (Let alone worlds outside the relay system), in their own galaxy.  We need greater justification than exploration to see if a threat might be there to justify this kind of trip.

Fair enough, but it wasn't another catastrophe, but the Reaper Invasion I was suggesting the events be explained by. The whole idea that Bioware painted themselves into corner, the most boring meme used by the unimaginative, is ridiculous. Leaving after the war can be easily explained, more so than inventing they knew about the Reapers but kept it a secret from everyone involved and sent a survival mission off and weren't on it. There are enough reasons why the events after the reaper war might not be fully known. Species could die out wholesale, tales could be blurred by the chinese whispers of events.

[Hazegurl]

I think it happened when Shepard lost to Cerberus and the Asari Councilor mentions species/civilization continuity.   Going after the Reapers are defeated is just insane unless they have a way to return to the Milky Way.  But then the devs would have to fit in the ending choices which defeats the point of going to a new galaxy. 

[laudable11]

Maybe they're doing it for the purpose of exploration.

[Sion1138]

It's N7 Moses.