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[AlanC9]

Fair enough, but it wasn't another catastrophe, but the Reaper Invasion I was suggesting the events be explained by. The whole idea that Bioware painted themselves into corner, the most boring meme used by the unimaginative, is ridiculous. Leaving after the war can be easily explained, more so than inventing they knew about the Reapers but kept it a secret from everyone involved and sent a survival mission off and weren't on it. There are enough reasons why the events after the reaper war might not be fully known. Species could die out wholesale, tales could be blurred by the chinese whispers of events.

Which brings me back to my question: if they're not ducking the unmanageably divergent end-states of ME3, what's the point of moving the setting to Andromeda?

[Heimdall]

@Saul Iscariot

 

I know, but the EC endings describe a galaxy well on the road to recovery (And unprecedented technological advancement in the case of Synthesis).  Your scenario works fine for Destroy, but it leaves much to be desired for Control and Synthesis galaxies.  Not to mention, it still doesn't make for a strong rational for dedicating the resources necessary to start intergalactic colonization.  There has to be a much stronger reason and circumstances that would allow for that many diverse species to take part in the mission.  The Reaper War provides both.  It isn't even a stretch for nobody to tell Shepard about it.  It's a backup plan, an act of last resort designed to save a sliver of the galactic population to continue their civilization in case the Reapers win.  Shepard's job is to save the rest of the galaxy.

 

Its not a failure of imagination to say Bioware painted themselves into a corner if their only way out is to say "And the specifics have been lost through time".  I just don't find that option at all satisfying.  What's the point of setting it after the Reaper War is you're just going to handwave away the wildly divergent galaxies these colonists should be coming from?

[Saul Iscariot]

All I was suggesting that there is scope to fudge an explanation that covers all bases. The scope of the Reaper invasion means you can talk easily about common events we would have all experienced, whilst being ambiguous and vague about events we may have taken one choice or another. Considering I've spent less than ten minutes about this, and am quite drunk, it isn't that hard a premise to accept the Milky Way can be explained, unless you want to concentrate on particular events. Then the focus makes it problematic. But purposely vague makes sense.

[AlanC9]

Thing is, I've thought about this sober. This idea only works while drunk, I guess

[Saul Iscariot]

You would be surprised what works whilst drunk, and conversely what doesn't. I am just saying it doesn't take too much flim flam to stick to what we all know whilst being ambiguous, whilst recognizing the critical matters, as events, and skirting over them.

[Drone223]

This.

 

I think they'd tie it in with the Asari Councilor's speech, and have the ship leave just after Thessia.

That tells players nothing about an ark ship and its vague at best, its bad writing to rely on a single vague line and call it foreshadowing. The whole concept of a secret ark ship leaving during the reaper war is just contrived since the whole project is going to huge in terms of logistic not to mention practically every beginner builder, scientist etc. in the galaxy is working on the crucible. The scale of such a project would also mean that like the crucible people will eventually learn of its existence, there is no way it can stay secret for very long.

[AlanC9]

You would be surprised what works whilst drunk, and conversely what doesn't. I am just saying it doesn't take too much flim flam to stick to what we all know whilst being ambiguous, whilst recognizing the critical matters, as events, and skirting over them.

I should have been more explicit about the problem. Essentially, you're combining the faults of a KotOR 2-style grind-all-choices-into-indistinguishable-mush start with the faults of a relocation-reboot and the faults of a straight continuation. Meanwhile, you don't have the strengths of any of the different approaches. It's the worst possible approach to solving the choice problem. (Not that it's impossible for Bio to stumble into the worst possible approach, but I'd need more evidence to believe that they'll do this badly with the problem.)

Should I walk you through the specifics?

[The Night Haunter]

Personally I don't think it was an Ark at all, but a small fleet that was the remnant of a battle with the Reapers that picks up survivors as they flee and make their way outside the galaxy.

[shodiswe]

It hasn't been confirmed that there's an Ark ship, right?  This is all speculation still?

Apparently there is at least 1 Krogan collonyship, which you have to save for your Krogan squadmate.
 

I think they left during the reaper invasion. Just after the fall of Thessia. Continuity of Civilization.
 
That would be about one month before the ending. Using reverse engineered reaper hyper-FTL they'd be well out of range of the blast.

Interesting possibility, thoguh they likely needed some time for that work.
Also, if you save that indoctrinated Asari from Saren and let here live in ME2 she ends up working on secret asari Reaper Projects between ME2 and 3 until the reapers return in ME3 and "assume direct Control" of her and start killing people and let loose a bomb.
That Project might have had something to do with it. They might have been workign on it for a while and that coudl have been the launch date, when the Asari councilor thoguht galactic civilisation was lost. Also, it makes sense that the Asari would take such an initiative sicne they value the companionship of other species for the sake of their own reproduction and for companionship. They care for diversity and that would speak for the ARK Project being Asari if it isn't Council backed.

 

It's N7 Moses.

Interesting suggestion as an alternative to Noah. Personaly I Think Noah fits better if you brought people from every species, rather than just one Group of people on an exile.



 

Personally I don't think it was an Ark at all, but a small fleet that was the remnant of a battle with the Reapers that picks up survivors as they flee and make their way outside the galaxy.

A possibility, but it seems the sucessrate would be a lot lower and it seems such a ragtag fleet would be lacking in Resources and preparation for such a journey which might take centuries or millenia and possibly requier quite a few stasispods and energy and supplies to supply it all for such a lengthy exodus.


Lots of interesting theorycrafting and speculation people