What the Prothean scientists on Ilos did was a miracle. What Javik was a part of was not. Impressive yes, but it's not a miracle.
Miracle:
-a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
-an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
surviving the Reapers and making it to the current cycle to continue the fight is a miracle
It's really entirely irrelevant either way.
Fiction is full of writers of who have characters who are super-skilled and complete huge deeds and yet make them idiots.
like Shepard 
Miracle:
-a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
-an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
surviving the Reapers and making it to the current cycle to continue the fight is a miracle
The people who built the base and the cryopods performed the miracle, not Javik. The part Javik was in charge of failed.
Sometimes, unfortunately. I've yet to play an RPG where that hasn't happened.
The people who built the base and the cryopods performed the miracle, not Javik.
not really, they were the ones who built it, but they were led by Javik, if not for his leadership none of them would have made it that far at all, they owe it all to him
not really, they were the ones who built it, but they were led by Javik, if not for his leadership none of them would have made it that far at all, they owe it all to him
Where is it stated Javik commanded the construction of the facility?
not really, they were the ones who built it, but they were led by Javik, if not for his leadership none of them would have made it that far at all, they owe it all to him
He kept a calm cool head even when he was holding off the Collectors long enough to get his remaining people into the pods. He was one of the last organic leaders of the Empire, and he tried so hard. I'd say he did everything right, just the scientists didn't think the Reapers would have stuck around as long as they did to finish cleanup. I've heard him compared to a Renegade Shepard and that doesn't sound too far off.
By the way, for those that like taking screenshots, the camera loves Javik during his flashbacks, so take note. 
Where is it stated Javik commanded the construction of the facility?
he was the leader of the project, you really have to be stretching to try and come up with justification to rob him of his due credit
he was the leader of the project, you really have to be stretching to try and come up with justification to rob him of his due credit
Hackett was the leader of the Crucible Project, yet he didn't design the Crucible. He just oversaw its construction.
Same with Javik. He didn't design the facility or the cryopods, but oversaw it. Thus the credit is not his.
The only miracle that came out of that project was that we weren't enslaved by the Protheans when they woke up.
Hackett was the leader of the Crucible Project, yet he didn't design the Crucible. He just oversaw its construction.
Same with Javik. He didn't design the facility or the cryopods, but oversaw it. Thus the credit is not his.
The only miracle that came out of that project was that we weren't enslaved by the Protheans when they woke up.
Right, protheans surviving to the current day isn't a big deal, first hand knowledge of the last war, who needs that? Much better to give it all up because the guy who has it is slightly jaded by watching the destruction and extinction of his entire civilization.
And credit is due to the organizers and leaders, not the grunts who connected wires and put up walls.
He kept a calm cool head even when he was holding off the Collectors long enough to get his remaining people into the pods. He was one of the last organic leaders of the Empire, and he tried so hard. I'd say he did everything right, just the scientists didn't think the Reapers would have stuck around as long as they did to finish cleanup. I've heard him compared to a Renegade Shepard and that doesn't sound too far off.
By the way, for those that like taking screenshots, the camera loves Javik during his flashbacks, so take note.
I think the comparison to RenShep is spot on.
Javik is basically what renegade Shepard would be had Shepard been born in an era where his cycle had been fighting and losing against the Reapers for a century, had he survived to witness his species exterminated, had Shepard been forced to kill the Normandy crew after they were captured, indoctrinated, and sent against him.
Even when I didn't agree with something Javik said I could understand why the character viewed things the way he did. I thought his grim and ruthless outlook was realistic given the character's backstory.
Right, protheans surviving to the current day isn't a big deal, first hand knowledge of the last war, who needs that? Much better to give it all up because the guy who has it is slightly jaded by watching the destruction and extinction of his entire civilization.
And credit is due to the organizers and leaders, not the grunts who connected wires and put up walls.
We had all that through other Prothean projects. He provided nothing new.
No, credit is due to the people who make the thing.
For example we give credit of revolutionizing rocketry to Wernher Von Braun, not the German government.
The devs have said in their blog very recently that we are going to a "time and space far removed from Shepard." I took that to mean possibly a century or two after the events of ME3. With the possible exception of Liara, all the other squadmates are likely dead from old age. He's also a DLC character, which means it's less likely he'll come back. With the Reapers defeated, he probably either wrote the book with Liara, became a "god" among the Hanar, or decided life wasn't worth it. Sorry.
While this is true, I wouldn't immediately dismiss the possibility of Javik's appearance (or some other Prothean) in MEA. Because there's this:
(best and most clear shot of this scene with the mysterios companion available)
While it's certinately possible it's another prothean, or even just Javik's model reused as a placeholder for at-the-time yet unfinished new race, it may actually be him, or another Prothean.
We had all that through other Prothean projects. He provided nothing new.
No, credit is due to the people who make the thing.
For example we give credit of revolutionizing rocketry to Wernher Von Braun, not the German government.
Because von Braun was the thinker in charge, there is a certain scale to this kind of credit. The US government gets credit for the Manhattan project, but not as much as Oppenheimer who gets more than the guys who assembled the bomb.
He provided nothing new? Besides a first hand account of the war, ignoring the treasure trove of information that he knew about other events and such during the previous cycle.
Because von Braun was the thinker in charge, there is a certain scale to this kind of credit. The US government gets credit for the Manhattan project, but not as much as Oppenheimer who gets more than the guys who assembled the bomb.
He provided nothing new? Besides a first hand account of the war, ignoring the treasure trove of information that he knew about other events and such during the previous cycle.
And the people who developed and built the bomb deserve the most credit since it wouldn't exist without them, just like Javik's plan then and Javik now wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the Protheans who developed and built the facility and cryopods.
The part Javik was directly in charge and involved in failed.
We already had firsthand accounts of the war, and his accounts provide no value for this war. While the lore of his cycle was interesting, it too had no practical value to this cycle.
I feel neither of us are going to budge on this.
And the people who developed and built the bomb deserve the most credit since it wouldn't exist without them, just like Javik's plan then and Javik now wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the Protheans who developed and built the facility and cryopods.
The part Javik was directly in charge and involved in failed.
No they really don't. Anyone can connect wires and load uranium into a bomb, the people who deserve credit are the ones who make the science behind it all. Hannibal gets the credit for the 'masterpiece' of Cannae, not the individual soldiers.
The part Javik was in charge of was the whole thing, and yes it failed, but not through incompetence on his part but rather the magnitude of the threat he faced.
While this is true, I wouldn't immediately dismiss the possibility of Javik's appearance (or some other Prothean) in MEA. Because there's this:
(best and most clear shot of this scene with the mysterios companion available)
While it's certinately possible it's another prothean, or even just Javik's model reused as a placeholder for at-the-time yet unfinished new race, it may actually be him, or another Prothean.
It would be interesting if there were other Protheans in Andromeda
Or it could be new a race
No they really don't. Anyone can connect wires and load uranium into a bomb, the people who deserve credit are the ones who make the science behind it all. Hannibal gets the credit for the 'masterpiece' of Cannae, not the individual soldiers.
The part Javik was in charge of was the whole thing, and yes it failed, but not through incompetence on his part but rather the magnitude of the threat he faced.
I think you and I are thinking of the same people. The people in the Manhatten Project who deserve the credit were the people who designed the bomb. They Manhatten Project wouldn't've existed without them. Meanwhile their overseers are not necessary, since the project would still work without them.
Unless you can provide proof that Javik drew up the designs and did the science for the technology to work, I will not give him credit for them working.
It would be interesting if there were other Protheans in Andromeda
Or it could be new a race
No. One Prothean was more than enough.
It would be interesting if there were other Protheans in Andromeda
(crosses fingers)
It would be interesting if there were other Protheans in Andromeda
Or it could be new a race
While I wouldn't want it to be Protheans yet again coming up with yet another new plan that the current cycle later reuses, it could be cool if we met a race from like 5 cycles ago that also managed to escape to Andromeda as the last resort and never came back.
If the Protheans are in Andreomda I would prefer it to happen due to current cycle cloning Javik's DNA or packing few more uncovered pods on the Ark or something.
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