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[andy6915]

Think about it. Your Trainer LITERALLY broke her mind to rapid-learn that specialization for you, paying a very heavy cost. For the rest of her life she will be mentally deficient and lacking in intelligence, not even knowing her own name or who her loved ones are or anything. And then you go pick someone else? She pretty much gave herself brain damage all for you, and you just walk over there to that knight enchanter or necromancer like you don't even care? You @sshols!... Or at least that's what I feel like about myself. My first playthrough I chose knight enchanter, but I did feel really guilty for it knowing I made Your Trainer's sacrifice completely and utterly meaningless. She gives up everything all for her sake, and you thank her by ignoring her. I can just imagine her committing suicide not long after because of how awful that has to feel for her. Well, if she still even has the mental function to even know how to kill herself.

 

Anyone else feel this way? Every other specialist in the game merely wasted a trip if you turn them down, but she wasted countless apprentices and mental function and time and probably even her actual life... Plus the trip, of course. I feel like such a complete dick picking another specialization, since it means I didn't even appreciate what she sacrificed for me.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Does she say that she did it just for the inquisitor? I got the impression that she's the sole survivor from a group of slightly over-eager scholars who were sent to investigate and underestimated the dangers of learning the new magic, not that she rushed on purpose for you specifically. She just wants you to learn in a safer way than she did. Or am I mis-remembering?

 

I'm pretty sure that there'd be other mages she could train, perhaps even in Skyhold.

[Carmen_Willow]

I hadn't looked at it that way. I usually choose it simply because I already have the mark, I may as well learn to use rift magic.

 

The one that bothers me is Necromancer. If you choose that then you rip little spirit wannbes to shreds to cast your spells. I can just see the look on Solas's face everytime I would do that.

[andy6915]

Does she say that she did it just for the inquisitor? I got the impression that she's the sole survivor from a group of slightly over-eager scholars who were sent to investigate and underestimated the dangers of learning the new magic, not that she rushed on purpose for you specifically. She just wants you to learn in a safer way than she did. Or am I mis-remembering?

 

I'm pretty sure that there'd be other mages she could train, perhaps even in Skyhold.

 

She said something about speed-learning it. Like she did something that let her learn in days what should have taken several years to learn, but the process of it destroyed her mind.

 

I hadn't looked at it that way. I usually choose it simply because I already have the mark, I may as well learn to use rift magic.

 

The one that bothers me is Necromancer. If you choose that then you rip little spirit wannbes to shreds to cast your spells. I can just see the look on Solas's face everytime I would do that.

 

Only if you use spirit mark. When I do a necromancer some day, I'll not be touching that skill. Seems rather limited in usefulness, and I've heard it's glitchy. I know, being a necromancer without the necromancing . I'd just use horror and walking bomb.

[YourFunnyUncle]

She said something about speed-learning it. Like she did something that let her learn in days what should have taken several years to learn, but the process of it destroyed her mind.

Let's have a look...
 
Here we go. She was sent by The Mages' Collective to learn. When she says she learned quickly "so that you don't have to" she doesn't mean that she learned the specialisation specifically for you. She means that there's now no need for you or anyone else to risk yourself, because she and the others who died took on that risk.

[thats1evildude]

Don't play a mage.

 

*Problem solved*

[Serelir]

You'd think Solas could teach you. Typical Solas tactic to keep all that to himself.

[Dai Grepher]

No, she learned it for her own reasons, but she made a mistake and it damaged her somewhat. Now she wants to teach you to learn in a safe way. If you choose her, she will also have a Chore Table mission where she can teach other mages, and in that you have the option to deny her request, which I did. Her response is slight disappointment, but also pride that she has already taught the best student possible, you.

 

And I denied the request on the grounds that other mages would either get hurt by it, or might possibly misuse it.

 

My main problem is with Necromancer. I thought it was a strong spec, and that it might play well with a Cassandra romance since her backstory involves the dead, the Mortalitasi, etc. But everyone except Cassandra takes it the wrong way. Cole doesn't like it, Josephine outright tells you she will cover up the fact that you are, and Blackwall thinks you like to have sex with corpses.

[Andromelek]

I don't know, but at least for gameplay purpose, Knight Enchanter is the best choice, it literally turns you into a living tank, I had to wait until JoH to have a fair match. And I don't think your trainer burned out her brains only to teach you, the best that Rift Mage can do is gather and weaken foes, because I feel that Force Mage from DA2 was stronger with the physical damage.
Not much to say about Necromancer spec, it's useful but not as good as the Knight, plus, I actually don't consider Mortalitasi the best necromancers.

Now that we are talking about specs, does anyone know/think if they'll add new ones on a future DLC? I'm beginning to miss Blood Mage and Shapeshifter specs.

[Moirin]

Honestly Rift Mage is the most fun Mage specialization imo, so it's an awesome one to feel obligated to pick I guess. But no, your trainer didn't nearly kill herself learning the specialization for you, she did it to learn it for herself and then simply taught you a safer way to learn it.

 

The one that bothers me is Necromancer. If you choose that then you rip little spirit wannbes to shreds to cast your spells. I can just see the look on Solas's face everytime I would do that.

 

You can discuss it with Solas actually, he doesn't seem to mind, depending on your reasoning for learning Necromancy I guess, really Cole and just about everyone else (Cass, Sera, Blackwall, Josie) seems to have a bigger problem with it than Solas does.

[andy6915]

You can discuss it with Solas actually, he doesn't seem to mind, depending on your reasoning for learning Necromancy I guess, really Cole and just about everyone else (Cass, Sera, Blackwall, Josie) seems to have a bigger problem with it than Solas does.

 

That's not surprising to me, he's the same guy who says he has no problems with blood magic so long as it is merely a tool and not your only means of combat and doesn't become a crutch. He tends to not make moral judgements about what kind of magic you use, as long as it doesn't make a sapient being submit to you as a slave. That's partly why he doesn't in fact dislike necromancer, the "spirits" you're taking control of are basically non-sapient wisps that are to spirits what amoeba's are to animals.

 

 

 

Which does mean my last post was wrong, even spirit mark isn't actually enslaving any spirits to do your bidding. So there's no ethical concerns in using it. Which is no matter to me, I wasn't going to avoid using it for those reasons anyway. As I said, I think spirit mark is just not useful enough to put skill points into or to put on my spell selection. But yeah, as long as blood magic isn't being a crutch and you're not controlling anyone with it, then he's fine with it.

[Magdalena11]

No, she learned it for her own reasons, but she made a mistake and it damaged her somewhat. Now she wants to teach you to learn in a safe way. If you choose her, she will also have a Chore Table mission where she can teach other mages, and in that you have the option to deny her request, which I did. Her response is slight disappointment, but also pride that she has already taught the best student possible, you.

 

And I denied the request on the grounds that other mages would either get hurt by it, or might possibly misuse it.

 

My main problem is with Necromancer. I thought it was a strong spec, and that it might play well with a Cassandra romance since her backstory involves the dead, the Mortalitasi, etc. But everyone except Cassandra takes it the wrong way. Cole doesn't like it, Josephine outright tells you she will cover up the fact that you are, and Blackwall thinks you like to have sex with corpses.

She did learn it to help people, and she's teaching it to you because she knows you can do it better.  I usually accept the operation, because the mages she teaches can decide if they want to risk the lesson.

 

As far as necromancer goes, I scrapped the Inq over the approval thing, and when I saw Dorian get up after falling down, I realized how powerful that spell is.  The haste focus just hurts my eyes, so I don't bother with it, but that Power of the Dead ability looks pretty handy.  I think next time I might try it.  Cole doesn't like making spirits work for you to kill, but you can earn his approval before you even meet him, and he does come around to 100% eventually.  Josie's just doing the job you asked her to do, and as far as Blackwall is concerned, he does seem to think everything relates to sex.  You can prove you mean good by killing some darkspawn for him in about 10 fights.  I think I might try it with a Qunari romancing Sera.....She likes to have fun and doesn't care who it annoys.  She reacts even more strongly to the necromancer part, but she's whimsical enough that I think it might work.  Isn't the only thing she can't accept drinking from the well of sorrow?

[andy6915]

She did learn it to help people, and she's teaching it to you because she knows you can do it better.  I usually accept the operation, because the mages she teaches can decide if they want to risk the lesson.

 

As far as necromancer goes, I scrapped the Inq over the approval thing, and when I saw Dorian get up after falling down, I realized how powerful that spell is.  The haste focus just hurts my eyes, so I don't bother with it, but that Power of the Dead ability looks pretty handy.  I think next time I might try it.  Cole doesn't like making spirits work for you to kill, but you can earn his approval before you even meet him, and he does come around to 100% eventually.  Josie's just doing the job you asked her to do, and as far as Blackwall is concerned, he does seem to think everything relates to sex.  You can prove you mean good by killing some darkspawn for him in about 10 fights.  I think I might try it with a Qunari romancing Sera.....She likes to have fun and doesn't care who it annoys.  She reacts even more strongly to the necromancer part, but she's whimsical enough that I think it might work.  Isn't the only thing she can't accept drinking from the well of sorrow?

 

Indeed, necromancer has a very overpowered combo no one ever thinks of. Combine a passive that lets you keep fighting after death with a passive that makes you heal whenever an enemy within dozens of meters of you dies combined with a weapon that heals on kill, and you become effectively immortal so long as there's more than one enemy. Not great for dragon fights, but other than that...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Anyone else feel this way?

 

Speaking only for myself, no.

 

If I am morally obligated to do anything, it would be to invest in the specialization that I feel would work best for me.

[BloodKaiden]

Don't play a mage.

*Problem solved*

Tsk, that'd be like asking me not to breathe.

[LOLandStuff]

You'd think Solas could teach you. Typical Solas tactic to keep all that to himself.

 

Don't forget the disapproval after you learn it and talk to him about better understanding the Fade. Great disapproval.

What a ****.

[Alyka]

I pitied her a little but I didn't feel bad about choosing Knight Enchanter. Your Trainer took it upon herself to learn, I never forced her to do anything.

[Master Warder Z_]

She's the moron who did it to herself

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You take Rift Mage because it is the specialization that makes you a pure Wizard.

 

For the Rift Mage specialization quest you have to craft a tome / a book to study. For the Necromancer specialization quest you have to craft a  skull of sorts. For the Knight Enchanter, you craft the hilt of a lightsaber.

 

A Wizard is the master of academic magic. Rift Mage is the most academic of the mage specialization.

[Sunnie]

I choose Rift mage always, I like to blow stuff up.

[Magdalena11]

Indeed, necromancer has a very overpowered combo no one ever thinks of. Combine a passive that lets you keep fighting after death with a passive that makes you heal whenever an enemy within dozens of meters of you dies combined with a weapon that heals on kill, and you become effectively immortal so long as there's more than one enemy. Not great for dragon fights, but other than that...

Must do this, then.  It's settled.  Thanks!  Re:  dragon fights, even if you can't take advantage of all the features all the time, a good staff is still a good staff.  I like to incorporate regenerating materials making weapons anyway, and that would do about the same thing without waiting until the end to reap the benefit.

[YourFunnyUncle]

If we're talking about the merits of the specialisation instead of just the trainer, then I much prefer the Rift Mage. I like my mages to stand back from the battle and control it from afar, and that's what a Rift Mage does. Necromancy just doesn't interest me as a concept and if I wanted to swing a blade around I'd play as a warrior...

[Magdalena11]

I wasn't all that impressed with the firestorm ability, until I upgraded it with focus-building equipment.  Wow, that thing was powerful, and could be used just about every time Inq left home.  Against the arcane horror and pals at Chateau Onterre...