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[Hadeedak]

The Yahg would probably end up being the most powerful race in the next cycle

 

Yahg finding Liara's beacon in next cycle, Refuse ending.

 

It's the little things.

[Natureguy85]

I don't know. The Yahg had a thriving civilization and technology equivalent to 20 century earth plus they already made contact with aliens. It is very likely the already had nukes and astronomical knowledge. The Krogans lived in a primitive state in a nuclear wasteland. Whatever knowledge and technology they had was probably lost. It seems to me the Yahg would be the greater potential threat for the Reapers without the uplift.

 

Well what did the Yahg gain from that contact? They killed the First Contact team, so they didn't have any further contact.

 

We don't know enough about the flux of our own civilization... what would happen to us after a nuclear winter?  We certainly wouldn't be soldiering on with a space program and advanced astronomy. 

 

We'd be a post-apocalyptic wasteland (actually, not a wasteland - flora and fauna deal with radiation much better than we do).  But our civilizations would be in ruin.

 

The Reapers aren't magic... they rely on a very specific system.  That system is the Mass Relays and the Citadel.  You don't use them - they won't know you're around. 

 

And how could they?  Again, they're not magical.  And a galaxy is mind bogglingly huge.  A hundred million Reapers (and there aren't a hundred million) couldn't do the job of just "scanning the galaxy" for planets.

 

Well, remember they take data from the species the harvest, so they would know about more than just the space-faring species.

[RatThing]

Well what did the Yahg gain from that contact? They killed the First Contact team, so they didn't have any further contact.

 

They gained knowledge. Knowledge that there is life on other planets, that interstellar travel is possible, maybe even knowledge about the technology the contact team brought with them. It might help them in the next cycle.

[Malanek]

Yahg finding Liara's beacon in next cycle, Refuse ending.

 

It's the little things.

I guess that all but confirms it.

[WillieStyle]

Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

 

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  If we are the only intelligent lifeforms native to the Milky Way, does that give us absolute fiat over every planet in the Galaxy?  Even planets we haven't discovered yet?  Of course not.

[In Exile]

And the more scientists and resources you use for the crucible, the faster it will be ready. It's a trade off. Like I said, there are good reasons for either side. Besides, it will also take decades until the rise in Krogan population will be of any significance. Newborn babies usually don't pop out of their mothers womb with guns in their hands and ready for combat. To even arm them in the first place you'd again need resources and engineers.

 

Maybe, but that's not a guarantee it won't take decades. You have to hedge your bets in these cases. Salarians, in my view, don't diverse your forces enough to justify gutting your cannon fodder. And seeing the sheer idiotic insanity behind the Daltresses position, counting on them realizing that they'll need to come onside anyway in the future is a lot more likely than being able to re-cure the genophage. 

[Natureguy85]

They gained knowledge. Knowledge that there is life on other planets, that interstellar travel is possible, maybe even knowledge about the technology the contact team brought with them. It might help them in the next cycle.

 

You actually missed the big one, though you made me realize it. They would not just have knowledge of the tech, they would have the tech itself. They got the ship the team came on. So you're right that the they would advance from the contact.

[TeffexPope]

They gained knowledge. Knowledge that there is life on other planets, that interstellar travel is possible, maybe even knowledge about the technology the contact team brought with them. It might help them in the next cycle.

I don't understand why people think the Yahg would even make it to the next cycle. Why would the reapers win the war, and somehow, inexplicably, let a race like the Yahg alone for the next 50,000 years? A race as intelligent and ruthless and tough as the yahg would be classified as an extreme threat, and their planet probably just bombarded until nothing was left moving or standing.

[In Exile]

I don't understand why people think the Yahg would even make it to the next cycle. Why would the reapers win the war, and somehow, inexplicably, let a race like the Yahg alone for the next 50,000 years? A race as intelligent and ruthless and tough as the yahg would be classified as an extreme threat, and their planet probably just bombarded until nothing was left moving or standing.

 

The reaper genocide isn't predicated on "threat". It's predicated on scientific advancement. Don't know if the Yahg count as being close enough to spacefaring to fall within the scope of reaper genocide.

[Dark Helmet]

Now see here folks Hoomanity and the aliunz have an intergalatic manifest destiny! Go Wes---Ea---To Andromeda!

 

There's space gold in them thar planets!

[Wulfram]

The reaper genocide isn't predicated on "threat". It's predicated on scientific advancement. Don't know if the Yahg count as being close enough to spacefaring to fall within the scope of reaper genocide.

It's hard to see how they're 50,000 years from space, which they'd need to be if the Reaper cycle is to make sense.

Though the Reapers could (literally) bomb them back into the stone age, rather than exterminating them. But if the Reapers leave industrialised civilisations alone, it's hard to see how they get any sleep. Every 1000 years, they'd have to turn up and clean away some inconvenient galactic civilisation.

[Dark Helmet]

It's hard to see how they're 50,000 years from space, which they'd need to be if the Reaper cycle is to make sense.

Though the Reapers could (literally) bomb them back into the stone age, rather than exterminating them. But if the Reapers leave industrialised civilisations alone, it's hard to see how they get any sleep. Every 1000 years, they'd have to turn up and clean away some inconvenient galactic civilisation.

 

Well there was that one time Harbinger forgot to file the right claim with Reaper HR so they had to leave that one race alone for an extra century...

But they've been much better about that ever since.

[TeffexPope]

The reaper genocide isn't predicated on "threat". It's predicated on scientific advancement. Don't know if the Yahg count as being close enough to spacefaring to fall within the scope of reaper genocide.

There is evidence of worlds possessing pre-industrial civilizations that have been bombed to utter nothingness. Maybe not the reapers, sure, but they do seem like the likeliest suspects, rather than a regular space-faring civ that decides 'yeah these fucks are prime target practice for our new cannons'.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Inb4 SJWs to label Mass Effect Andromeda as a game that promotes Western imperialism.

Imperialism was a thing because it worked.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Sylvius the Mad:  Did it?  It led to societal revolutions across the globe and the advent of individualism that has spawned "freedom" across the Western hemisphere. 

 

Everything exists "for a time" - that doesn't mean it works.

 

It certainly didn't work for Britain, France and Spain, Rome, the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines), Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great - every last bloated empire has collapsed upon itself. 
 

[Dark Helmet]

 

It certainly didn't work for Britain, France and Spain, Rome, the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines), Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great - every last bloated empire has collapsed upon itself. 
 

 

Something eventually failed=/=that thing is a failure all the way through

 

Many of those "Bloated" empires helped forge this world into what it is today.

 

You barabarians should be grateful.

[TeffexPope]

I would say that Rome was the MOST successful empire to ever exist, given its longevity relative to its size throughout its existence. And for countless centuries, successive emperors in Europe all sized themselves up relative to Rome. Even to the modern era - Hitler and Mussolini.

[windsea]

One word.

 

EMPIRE!

 

It is a time honored human tradition and if you are saying we are bad guys for honoring our culture then you're a bigot. (joking, of course)

 

But really If no one has a claim on the land then no we are well within our rights.

[In Exile]

It's hard to see how they're 50,000 years from space, which they'd need to be if the Reaper cycle is to make sense.

Though the Reapers could (literally) bomb them back into the stone age, rather than exterminating them. But if the Reapers leave industrialised civilisations alone, it's hard to see how they get any sleep. Every 1000 years, they'd have to turn up and clean away some inconvenient galactic civilisation.

Originally, before ME2 and ME3, the idea behind "humans are SPECIAL" just amounted to humans being upstarts and lateral thinkers. Throughout ME1 our "noble" quality is that we're coming up with novel ways to address problem. The other races by comparison were meant to be less inventive, hence why technology didn't advance.

[X Equestris]

@Sylvius the Mad:  Did it?  It led to societal revolutions across the globe and the advent of individualism that has spawned "freedom" across the Western hemisphere. 
 
Everything exists "for a time" - that doesn't mean it works.
 
It certainly didn't work for Britain, France and Spain, Rome, the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines), Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great - every last bloated empire has collapsed upon itself.

And all of your examples lasted hundreds of years (the Mongol and Hellenistic successor states were around for quite a while) and left lasting influences on the world. Especially Rome.

[Sylvius the Mad]

@Sylvius the Mad: Did it? It led to societal revolutions across the globe and the advent of individualism that has spawned "freedom" across the Western hemisphere.

Everything exists "for a time" - that doesn't mean it works.

It certainly didn't work for Britain, France and Spain, Rome, the Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines), Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great - every last bloated empire has collapsed upon itself.

It worked extremely well. The people who ran those empires benefitted tremendously from imperialism.

Britain had access to enormous wealth and the power to deprive others of that wealth for centuries, something that ultimately only ended because a new power - America - flexed its muscle when it saw a period of British weakness following WW2.

[Steelcan]

Something eventually failed=/=that thing is a failure all the way through

 

Many of those "Bloated" empires helped forge this world into what it is today.

 

You barabarians should be grateful.

silly Greeks

[Steelcan]

I would say that Rome was the MOST successful empire to ever exist, given its longevity relative to its size throughout its existence. And for countless centuries, successive emperors in Europe all sized themselves up relative to Rome. Even to the modern era - Hitler and Mussolini.

Roma invicta et ultima est!

[Rannik]

>mfw barbarians, indians and andromedans talk **** about the empire

 

 

SOON

[Medhia_Nox]

@Dark Helmet:  Your assessment makes religion the most successfully functional creation of mankind as the worlds five greatest religions have covered more territory, existed longer and had a greater impact than any single empire in existence.

 

One would wonder why so many hated Shepard being a space messiah given this critical review of "what works".

 

Of course, I don't believe armchair emperors are going to be able to indulge their little fantasies in ME:A - but it's interesting to see such apathy in the name of glorifying oppression.