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[Steelcan]

@Dark Helmet:  Your assessment makes religion the most successfully functional creation of mankind as the worlds five greatest religions have covered more territory, existed longer and had a greater impact than any single empire in existence.

 

One would wonder why so many hated Shepard being a space messiah given this critical review of "what works".

 

Of course, I don't believe armchair emperors are going to be able to indulge their little fantasies in ME:A - but it's interesting to see such apathy in the name of glorifying oppression.

if it wasn't for empires we'd still have an abundance of Celtic languages around, thank the Romans and Saxons that we don't have to put up with more of them then we already must

[X Equestris]

@Dark Helmet:  Your assessment makes religion the most successfully functional creation of mankind as the worlds five greatest religions have covered more territory, existed longer and had a greater impact than any single empire in existence.

Well, there's no denying that they've been very successful.

[RatThing]

Maybe, but that's not a guarantee it won't take decades. You have to hedge your bets in these cases. Salarians, in my view, don't diverse your forces enough to justify gutting your cannon fodder. And seeing the sheer idiotic insanity behind the Daltresses position, counting on them realizing that they'll need to come onside anyway in the future is a lot more likely than being able to re-cure the genophage. 

 

There are newer guarantees in war, you also don't have a guarantee you can arm and feed the additional ground forces after decades of war. As other people suggested, the genophage cure itself might not even be significant. See what actually happened? The crucible got finished in months and the war ended. Now if you have cured with Wreav and he would start another war in the already war-torn galaxy. Moral aspects aside, would sabotaging still have been that idiotic? The Dalatrass' position isn't that insane if the Krogans are really such a threat as described. The future after the war is not irrelevant.

[KaiserShep]

I honestly don't see how Wreav could wage war with anyone but rival clans. Once the turians or alliance ferry them all back to Tuchanka, they're kind of stuck there, and they couldn't just secretly build starships in surprise underground factories. 

[RatThing]

Well, the Dalatrass, the Primarch and Liara believe the Krogan can and will have a significant influence on the Galaxy after the cure.

[Computron2000]

Probably there will be a race that does genocidal things so you can rationalise your invasion away. If there is a good guy route, i hope the writers will have a diplomatic path.

 

Consider if aliens invaded earth on the same basis of "survival". Suddenly the rationalisation of "the needs of many" come crashing down because humans are that the receiving end of the excuse. Then consider if aliens come to earth and ask for the moon (literally) with limted technological exchange (more than likely a one way gifting process) and a mutual cooperation in colonisation/terraforming of planets outside the solar system then suddenly this "invasion" starts to look much better

[Dark Helmet]

if it wasn't for empires we'd still have an abundance of Celtic languages around, thank the Romans and Saxons that we don't have to put up with more of them then we already must

 

The only kind words I will ever speak towards the Saxons are about exactly this.

[Dark Helmet]

@Dark Helmet:  Your assessment makes religion the most successfully functional creation of mankind as the worlds five greatest religions have covered more territory, existed longer and had a greater impact than any single empire in existence.

 

One would wonder why so many hated Shepard being a space messiah given this critical review of "what works".

 

Of course, I don't believe armchair emperors are going to be able to indulge their little fantasies in ME:A - but it's interesting to see such apathy in the name of glorifying oppression.

 

One religions ARE incredibly successful at what they do.

 

Two, no one expects to be able to "Armchair Emperor" in a bioware game, because that would make Social Justice warriors cry. And Bioware isn't able to handle that.

 

Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to glorifying the Empire while planning to crush widdle rebels. Gotta keep that public order up somehow!

[KaiserShep]

Well, the Dalatrass, the Primarch and Liara believe the Krogan can and will have a significant influence on the Galaxy after the cure.

 

Sure, they can think that, but I doubt they could really explain how they'd get to that point. Other than pooling their efforts together to rebuild over their ruins, becoming a spacefaring empire is a totally different story, especially since the salarians, asari and turians all have incentive to not let that happen. 

[Steelcan]

They'll still have to accommodate the new billions of krogan we will be getting, unless the Council plans on enforcing a lock down on Tuchunka til they sort out their birthrate

[Medhia_Nox]

@Dark Helmet:  Oh, don't you SJW me... I know you still play with your dolls! 

 

I have absolutely NO problem with playing a character that supports or forges empires... but, I think for me it has more to do with genre.  This is a more idealized reality than what "may be" in the real future of our world.  It's like Star Trek and Wars where everyone gets along (in Star Wars - the rebels are the idealized version and before the Empire, Star Wars was very "Council races".)

 

If this were a Warhammer 40K RPG... you would hear me signing an entirely different tune.

[Master Warder Z_]

Manifest Destiny! Rebirth of Cerberus! Humanity #1!!!

[Master Warder Z_]

It's inevitable Cerberus or not. Humans are destined to rule any galaxy they inhabit.

Of course they are.

Salvation comes with a cost.

Only humanity understands that.

[Gwydden]

@Dark Helmet: Your assessment makes religion the most successfully functional creation of mankind as the worlds five greatest religions have covered more territory, existed longer and had a greater impact than any single empire in existence.

One would wonder why so many hated Shepard being a space messiah given this critical review of "what works".

Of course, I don't believe armchair emperors are going to be able to indulge their little fantasies in ME:A - but it's interesting to see such apathy in the name of glorifying oppression.

You're right.

Religion and empire were incredibly powerful and useful phenomena that were fundamental in shaping the world as we know it.

Their time has now passed, but they won't be forgotten. It's easy to sit in judgement of our ancestors while not having to live in their world. Hindsight, after all, is 20/20.

[Markus]

The bad guys?  The act of colonizing a galaxy that isn't our own, taking up worlds that might have been colonized by the resident races of Andromeda...I will admit that it's a bit questionable.  The Milky Way races have less of a claim on those worlds than any Andromeda race does.

I don't think that necessarily makes us the bad guys, though.  At least, as long as we don't colonize inhabited worlds.

[Torfyn]

The only good reason to be the bad guys invading another galaxy would be the opportunity to tell the natives that "WE ARE THEIR SALVATION THROUGH DESTRUCTION". Just to mess with them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Humanity seeks to liberate them

[Medhia_Nox]

I think it's pretty obvious we're not going to be space conquerors... but I also don't want to see the pre-existing species in the Andromeda galaxy being "the enemy" either... at least, at first. 

 

No matter how large our "Ark" is... it would be impossible for these refugees to combat even the most basic interstellar civilization. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Ha! One Human saved a galaxy...10,000 is just overkill

[NeonFlux117]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

 

Don't think about it to hard. Just shoot primitives and ingenious populations in the face with a Black Widow or Claymore. They'll get over it. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't think about it to hard. Just shoot primitives and ingenious populations in the face with a Black Widow or Claymore. They'll get over it.

The savages need to be pacified o...o via liberal usage of automatic weaponry

[Boost32]

Don't think about it to hard. Just shoot primitives and ingenious populations in the face with a Black Widow or Claymore. They'll get over it. 

Can I shoot them with the Blood Pack Punisher? I think I'm going with Engineer so I want a light setup for the cooldown reduction.

[NeonFlux117]

Can I shoot them with the Blood Pack Punisher? I think I'm going with Engineer so I want a light setup for the cooldown reduction.

 

Punisher+cryo rounds= Many lulz and many dead savages! I mostly play as a VG with wraith and palladin or a Infi with glorious Black Widow. But... Engineer is really, really good in ME3. BioWare really stepped it up for that class from ME2.

[Master Warder Z_]

I played classic soldier the entire trilogy; it works