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[dragonflight288]

I wouldn’t mind playing a self-serving merc, but i don’t think the current Bioware knows how to do ruthlessness justice.

 

I don't know about that. 

 

I mean, Weeks did a darn good job in the Dragon Age novel The Masked Empire. He applied motivations, characters, and created huge fanbases for side-characters who barely make an appearance in the game. 

 

Gaspard is a ruthless and pragmatic man, but he is also a man bound by a code of honor that governs how he conducts himself. Celene is a creature of politics, but she doesn't hesitate to slaughter thousands of elves to save her political standing. 

 

And Weeks is now the lead writer for the Bioware team working on the Dragon Age series. 

 

I'm not so sure about the Mass Effect team though. Need more intel. 

[Tenebrae]

If Andromeda didn't have the reapers to periodically reset technological advancement, then I'd have thought the odds would be that we'll be the "primitives"

 

As if anyone can hope to surpass the glorious Human master race....stupid Andromedaian peasants.

[Daemul]

That's a lot of strong statements about a game we barely know anything about and a company that more or less has a very strong reputation for solid story-telling, minus a couple of endings *cough cough.*

 

a company that more or less has a very strong reputation for solid story-telling

 

very strong reputation for solid story-telling

 

 

Are we talking about the same developer here? Bioware write good characters(mostly), their story telling however leaves a lot to be desired.

[Tenebrae]

I don't know about that. 

 

I mean, Weeks did a darn good job in the Dragon Age novel The Masked Empire. He applied motivations, characters, and created huge fanbases for side-characters who barely make an appearance in the game. 

 

Gaspard is a ruthless and pragmatic man, but he is also a man bound by a code of honor that governs how he conducts himself. Celene is a creature of politics, but she doesn't hesitate to slaughter thousands of elves to save her political standing. 

 

And Weeks is now the lead writer for the Bioware team working on the Dragon Age series. 

 

I'm not so sure about the Mass Effect team though. Need more intel. 

Aye, but they seem to stumble when in come to game implantation, just look at DA:I, you get shoehorned into being a hero with almost no chance at being truly self-serving, even when one of your backgrounds is being a merc..

[BabyPuncher]

Gaspard is a ruthless and pragmatic man, but he is also a man bound by a code of honor that governs how he conducts himself. Celene is a creature of politics, but she doesn't hesitate to slaughter thousands of elves to save her political standing.

 

It's a shame I never saw any of that in the actual quest...although to be honest, I think I might have missed some content since it was a rather convoluted quest. The only evidence I actually remember seeing on their character was Gaspard's knife being found in the elf servent. 

 

My first reaction was that it was planted, but I don't recall that possibility ever coming up.

[Tenebrae]

And lots of sheeple. 

Sheeple sheeple as far as the eyes can see, at least we won’t run out of wool.

[dragonflight288]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are we talking about the same developer here? Bioware write good characters(mostly), their story telling however leaves a lot to be desired.

 

 

KOTOR, Jade Empire, Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, each of these games were made by Bioware and lauded for their characters AND their stories. 

 

Heck, ME3 was lauded for practically everything except the ending, and for many that threw off the whole trilogy, but otherwise they enjoyed the story. Dragon Age 2 was an experiment on a new way for story-telling that didn't work as they liked so they went back to the grand quest-like story in Inquisition, which got Game of the Year.

 

Has a very short main story, true, and the end fight could be better, but it's otherwise a good story. 

 

Bioware has a strong reputation for good stories and excellent characters. Some are simply better than others.

 

Bioware's largest weaknesses, however, is tying the lore of the story into the gameplay, and that can create plot holes that make no sense. 

 

Or ME3's ending in general. 

 

But yeah, ME3 is pretty much the largest hit to Bioware's reputation, but nearly all their other games have very strong stories...DA2 being an exception, and even then it wasn't a bad story, but it was a rushed job and that seriously hurt it. 

[dragonflight288]

It's a shame I never saw any of that in the actual quest...although to be honest, I think I might have missed some content since it was a rather convoluted quest. The only evidence I actually remember seeing on their character was Gaspard's knife being found in the elf servent. 

 

My first reaction was that it was planted, but I don't recall that possibility ever coming up.

 

I hear ya.

 

I recently did that quest again, and went out of my way to find everything I possibly could. I found some...interesting evidence.

 

Gaspard petitioned Celene to work together and not to trust Briala because the benefits of the eluvian network are extensive and he wanted to work with her to secure them, but Briala killed the ambassadors and forged new documents. This is found with one halla statue above the garden before entering Morrigan's workshop. 

 

Gaspard threatened the Council of Heralds lives if they didn't support him when the night is through, and you have to talk to his uncle, and choose the right dialogue option to hear that. 

 

Gaspard gave orders to his men to sneak into the party, just like the Inquisitor was doing, and prepare a bloody coup if things didn't go his way. You find these orders in the trophy room.

 

Celene knew about the troop movements, having captured and bribed one of his generals and now held him hostage....and naked on her bed, tied to the posts, and was preparing to counter the troop movements and then declare Gaspard a traitor and have him executed. You find out (need four or five halla statues) when you find him in Celene's room and he really wants to get out.

 

The knife was indeed planted, by Duchess Floiranne.

 

Celene still has a ring given to her by Briala and has locked it up so she couldn't be blackmailed for still having feelings for an elf despite their differences. 

 

Briala sent an elf servant, possibly to her death, to cover up the fact that she used to be a lover of Celene's. 

 

Gasard hired Ferelden mercenaries to back up his soldiers.

 

I think it was a fun quest, but you're right, it was convoluted, and getting the full picture requires multiple playthroughs and reading between the lines....extensively because of Orlais's love of double talk in "the game."

[Rannik]

Not in my eyes, much like in ME1-3, i fight for the advancement and survival of the human race and if it comes down to us or an alien species, the aliens have got to go.

 

That is pretty much the way my Shepard (and me) viewed things and probably how not-Shepard will do too.

 

Cerberus did nothing wrong.

[KaiserShep]

I don't know about that. 

 

I mean, Weeks did a darn good job in the Dragon Age novel The Masked Empire. He applied motivations, characters, and created huge fanbases for side-characters who barely make an appearance in the game. 

 

Gaspard is a ruthless and pragmatic man, but he is also a man bound by a code of honor that governs how he conducts himself. Celene is a creature of politics, but she doesn't hesitate to slaughter thousands of elves to save her political standing. 

 

And Weeks is now the lead writer for the Bioware team working on the Dragon Age series. 

 

I'm not so sure about the Mass Effect team though. Need more intel. 

 

This does sort of illustrate the problem with novel and comic tie-ins. I've only recently tried to invest myself into the material outside of the games, and so far I've only gone through TME. I would have totally seen Isabela in a different light if we were able to find out in the game even half of what went on in the comics. I never read a single thing on the Mass Effect end though, so some characters held no weight for me at all. When I first played ME3, Eva Core was just some random name to me, and Kai Leng was basically a super-cereal woody woodpecker with a sword. 

[Seboist]

That is pretty much the way my Shepard (and me) viewed things and probably how not-Shepard will do too.

 

Cerberus did nothing wrong.

 

Hope that we can channel Hernan Cortes and turn several alien races into human client races against other groups of aliens that won't play ball with the new big boy on the block.

[Cknarf]

Aliens are about to be like:

 

 

Except I'll probably be playing as a hot black chick instead. Yaaassssss.

[Avilan II]

Imagine you find an uninhabited, undiscovered and unclaimed bit of land. You decide to build a house there because its a nice spot and nobody else is around for you to disturb. You call together your friends and family members and you all spend a lot of time, effort and money on building a lovely house, which you live happily for a short time.

 

Then, one day a stranger comes to your house and tells you that he has recently purchased that bit of land from the local government, and now owns not only the land but everything on it, including your house. He wants you all to leave immediately so he can live in it instead.

 

That is not 'morally right', nor is it meritocratic, because the person who contributed precisely nothing to the development of the house is the one who gets to live in it.

 

Of course it's morally right. What would the alternative be? 

[KaiserShep]

That's when you kill the guy and bury him in the land he bought. Problem solved. 

[In Exile]

"The nature of ownership in the absence of a relevant legal framework" was actually the subject of my proposed masters thesis.

If an imperialist power arrives somewhere that didn't previously have a concept of ownership, do the existing inhabitants have any claim to the land under the imperialists' laws?

 

If you're interested in the title you can look to recent commentary on the notion of Aboriginal title in Canadian property law. Not so much the courts' jurisprudence but rather academic articles on the subject. They have an interest take on the question of reconciling the presence of indigenous populations with English common law of property. 

[Computron2000]

Heck, ME3 was lauded for practically everything except the ending, and for many that threw off the whole trilogy, but otherwise they enjoyed the story.

 

Deserves to be repeated. The entire geth/quarian war and mordin's "it had to be me" and its build up were excellent story arcs while the genophage choice was an intellectual/moral puzzle.

[Master Warder Z_]

That's when you kill the guy and bury him in the land he bought. Problem solved.

Exactly.

Buy it with exploding core rounds fired by a rifle.

[KaiserShep]

Exactly.

Buy it with exploding core rounds fired by a rifle.

 

Like, honestly, I'm not sure how one would expect the encounter in this scenario to end well.

[Master Warder Z_]

Like, honestly, I'm not sure how one would expect the encounter in this scenario to end well.

Well it ends well for one party, may as well be Humanity

[Exaltation]

Considering it's an RPG i assume we will have option to colonize/occupy through various means.

There most likely be a confrontation over the the resources even on empty planets.

Maybe it will be like Human-Batarian conflict just with more races hating us now lol.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If you're interested in the title you can look to recent commentary on the notion of Aboriginal title in Canadian property law. Not so much the courts' jurisprudence but rather academic articles on the subject. They have an interest take on the question of reconciling the presence of indigenous populations with English common law of property.

That would be interesting, thanks. Particularly since English common law acknowledges the rights of squatters, while Canadian law (which came later) explicitly does not.

[Sylvius the Mad]

@Sylvius the Mad: You have fictional claim. The same kind of fictional claim that invents nations... marriages... and religions. Even science is a fictional claim. The universe isn't "doing science" - science is a means of classifying the operations of the universe in a human fashion - that is all it is, and that was made up by humans and agreed upon by other humans.

Humans operate under fictional claim their entire lives.

This is essentially the conclusion toward which I was trying to lead people.

[HK-90210]

If an entire habitable planet is unclaimed, unprotected and unpopulated, then all bets are off, IMO. This game is clearly not about a bunch of people from earth marching in and taking someone's planet. This is about a group of survivors that, for all they know, are the last of their respective kinds searching for a new home. I fail to see how this makes anyone a bad guy.

[Boost32]

If an entire habitable planet is unclaimed, unprotected and unpopulated, then all bets are off, IMO. This game is clearly not about a bunch of people from earth marching in and taking someone's planet. This is about a group of survivors that, for all they know, are the last of their respective kinds searching for a new home. I fail to see how this makes anyone a bad guy.

I would like to take a planet from the salvages and become their new god.
And the part of "duvuvirs who are the last of their kind" is speculation, we still don't know why they are in Andromeda, neither if they are survivors or if they might be the last of their kind.

[The Night Haunter]

I would like to take a planet from the salvages and become their new god.
And the part of "suvuvirs who are the last of their kind" is speculation, we still don't know why they are in Andromeda, neither if they are survivors or if they might be the last of their kind.

Pretty much everything is speculation. The idea that they don't think they are the last of their kind is speculation too.

 

If you dismiss speculation then there really is very little to talk about as we've only seen 4 potential environments (might not even make into final version), plus a masked character, and that's pretty much it besides what we care to speculate.