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[Panda]

Just because we are colonizing worlds doesn't mean we are necessarily colonizing other races.  Would it be unethical to "colonize" Antartica (assuming no international laws or treaties existed forbidding it)?  Or say to build a colony on the bottom of the Atlantic ocean? Or for China to build a colony on the moon before the US did?  Nobody owns the moon.

 

Colonialization usually has meant colonializing people in the area as well, but let's hope it isn't so. I guess it's possible that the planets on Andromeda aren't as populated.

[Paridave]

I don't know How the Khet will be portrayed, but The leak states

Spoiler

they're interested in the HeliosCluster due to the remains of the Remnants' technology, so the conflict is likely triggered by the interest of both sides in the Cluster.
For the record, the Khet aren't native of the HC.

 I agree.  The interview in Arstechnica leads one to believe they bit off way, way, way too much with the trilogy.  It would not surprise me if the Khet (if that's what they're called) turn out to be far worse then the Reapers who, if you look at it from a business standpoint, were just doing their job.

[Paridave]

We'll be the Reapers.     

No, the Reapers sole purpose was control, we're interested in survival.

[Hazegurl]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

I hope we are the evil foreign invaders. I would hate to be pigeon holed into a hero story where the species there are just all evilz just to justify colonizing their world.

[corporal doody]

I hope the Khet have kawaii animal ears desu.

NOOOOOooooo......err, i mean DAME DE-SUuuu

 

[alienatedflea]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

 

Meh...even in our home galaxy, Turians thought of us as invaders in a sense.  Yet we were not viewed as the bad guys.

[The Elder King]

Meh...even in our home galaxy, Turians thought of us as invaders in a sense.  Yet we were not viewed as the bad guys.

Well, a lot of people had a negative opinion of humans in the trilogy due to How fast humanity rose in few decades.

[Steelcan]

some music to listen to while stamping out those nasty natives

 

[Baekwan]

It would be neat to colonize Andromeda, then i could indulge my minor sociopathic needs X)

Time to make considerable decisions for the greater good of our people (Team Milky Way!)
And for once we have a valid reason to do so so let's make the most of it.
And we're not bad guys in my pov X) , our own people's survival is at stake if the leak is true.

I'd be really fond of the prospect of working with the other Milkyway species as one "nation" towards a common goal, and even be able to identify as a Milkyway people rather than merely an human (I'm surprised myself because I usually play as a pro-human, not xenophobic but still trying to prioritise human interests before anything X) )
It would give me such an uplifting feeling ><
-Even if it means wiping out Andromeda aliens if they don't agree with us, so we can find a new home- XD

I think there'd be enough space for everyone, the new species can't own EVERY SINGLE planet since Andromeda is supposed to be bigger than our galaxy.
They have no claims on planets they haven't discovered yet, or even weren't aware of X)
If they want to argue about it (something I'm sure they would do 'cause ego) just nuke them.

By colonizing people I don't mean to assimilate the Andromeda species and enslave them. That would be kinda disturbing XD wait, at a same time it'd be cool to have minions. :| It would be a new level of crazy
I know it would bite us in the ass later tho.

If we do colonize Andromeda, I hope they won't give us a moral lecture and try to make us the hero of the new galaxy who units all the aliens :/ it's going to kill all the fun.
I don't want to be a galactic hero. Just a hero for the MW people and a super villain for the others.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm of German and Italian ancestry. So there's German and Roman. Problem?

[Capitan Bradipo]

It seems to me we are all making a lot of assumptions here.
First, the reason for which the Milky Way peoples decided to begin the exploration of Andromeda. The claim of this being due to the need of "survival" would make sense only if the colonization effort were launched during the Reaper War as a disperate action to preserve advanced Life.
I'll be honest, I always seen this "ark theory" as a rather silly idea, since designing, testing and building something groundbreaking and massive as this "ark" in just a couple of months would just not be possible, not with the added pressure of waging a truly GALACTIC war AND supporting the constuction of the Crucible, which itself was only possible thanks to the blueprints already existing. For these reasons, an alleged "plan B" enacted by some government would have probably been a simple serie of sealed-off sanctuaries, hidden in remote systems and isolated from the rest of the galaxy.

Anyway, the current CONFIRMED info don't reveal anything about the start of this endeavour, but they tell us the game itself will take place "long after" the end of the Reaper War. This "long after" is open to speculation, but it seems probable that it will be not less than a couple of centuries. In this time period, it is possible that some organization has been able to develope the means needed for inter-galactic travel, be those a "ark" (or a fleet of them) or some new propulsion technology.

At this point, we have to ask: is this effort of exploration inherently "morally questionable"?
As Star Trek teaches us, no, it isn't . Only the jaded and the cynic can see such an endeavour as inevitably mired to the oppression of the native species and the abolition of their rights. The growth of our knowledge and the costruction of trade networks with the newly discovered populations (allowing for the exchange of goods, ideas and technology) are both valid goals as much as the previous ones and, on the long run, more profitable for anyone involved.

[Medhia_Nox]

Well - this thread has pretty much killed my belief in the human race. 

[The Elder King]

Well - this thread has pretty much killed my belief in the human race.

Why?

[General TSAR]

Well - this thread has pretty much killed my belief in the human race. 

Good. 

 

We are savage creatures.

[Silvair]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

Ayep.  We are the invaders.

i'm looking at it like how in Spore, I became The Reapers, slowly destroying the galaxy, one planet at a time.

(I did hit the logical snag of running out of resources to fuel my planet destroyers with no planets to harvest resources from though...)

 

 

Seriously though, its not like Humanity has a history of caring if there's already people where they want to colonize.  in real history (America, Emperial colonization), or Mass Effect History (The whole issue with the humans encroaching on Batarian space, and a big reason Humans have such a bad rep: very pushy)

[Kunari801]

No, the Reapers sole purpose was control, we're interested in survival.

 

I think your sarcasm detector is broken or just overloaded.  

[SardaukarElite]

Mandatory:

 

 

[Han Shot First]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

 

Maybe they are intentionally going that route, with the alien antagonists being the Indians to our Cowboys. It might make the antagonists sympathetic at least.

[The Night Haunter]

Given that the majority of the planets Humanity colonized in our galaxy were unoccupied when we got there (just look at the codex entries on colonization and post-council human history), I see no reason why we wouldn't be colonizing more empty planets.

 

Virmire was a planet perfect for colonization: verdant, correct oxygen/atmosphere ratio, plenty of water. Yet it remained completely uninhabited until Saren got his claws on it. Why? Because there are far more planets than colonists available to settle there. I imagine Andromeda has tons of planets with no intelligent life that we can just land on and create human civ 2.0

[Hazegurl]

I trust the ME team not to give us a bunch of empty boring worlds to land on.....okay I trust them about 50/50. ...why do I think we'll colonize an empty world only to get invaded. How dull.

[Hadeedak]

This thread has gone three pages and there's not one Road to El Dorado joke that I saw.

 

I'm very saddened.

 

I do think it'd be interesting to say the least, but I will say science fiction as a genre has done a LOT of psuedo imperialistic CONQUEST OF THE STARS, to the point where I occasionally mutter under my breath when it comes up. And it can be done right. Or well. In ways that don't come out with "Humans #1 perfect five stars winner".

 

That being said, I'm honestly most excited for exploring as opposed to spreading my protagonist's world view with charisma points or bullets.

[Avilan II]

Who cares? It's been way too long since we last did the whole conquest thing.

 

 

Mi arcabuz está listo.

 

Trolling aside... When I enslave you, I'll wave this post in your face. 

 

 

We also could be the civilization that saves the natives from the Reaper threat in Andromeda.

 

Seriously, where did this weird, unsupported idea that the Reapers ever got to another galaxy come from???

 

 

And yes, as somebody said upstream... Turns out this thread has to a point disappointed me too; when people in 2015 actually says colonization  and even conquest is okay... 

[In Exile]

This thread has gone three pages and there's not one Road to El Dorado joke that I saw.

I'm very saddened.

I do think it'd be interesting to say the least, but I will say science fiction as a genre has done a LOT of psuedo imperialistic CONQUEST OF THE STARS, to the point where I occasionally mutter under my breath when it comes up. And it can be done right. Or well. In ways that don't come out with "Humans #1 perfect five stars winner".

That being said, I'm honestly most excited for exploring as opposed to spreading my protagonist's world view with charisma points or bullets.

I'm not seeing the downside to imperialistic conquest of the stars where the planet lacks sentient life. It really only becomes an issue where it does and then only when that life is at a technology based disadvantage.

[Avilan II]

The point I am making is not really about going to a pre-settled planet and killing them all. It's rather about say starting a colony within the borders of an existing civilization and then say it's okay to kill them when they want their land back.