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[X Equestris]

Even so, what can a planet do to our orbiting spaceships?
 
 
Oh the native wildlife is rising in revolt? Well we have nukes, biological/chemical weapons, or even redirected asteroids. Can the native wildlife say E.L.E?

It's worth mentioning that the corporation running the operation on Pandora was forbidden by the UN from having WMDs. Any retaliatory expedition mounted by Earth's nations to obtain the resource they need to survive as a species would have no such restrictions. So I think it's likely that sooner or later, the Na'vi would be utterly wiped out,

[Han Shot First]

they had two golden opportunities, DA:O with Loghain (and while he is not the evil maniac Alistair thinks him to be, he isn't entirely morally grey until later DLC) and ME3 and TIM, there was so much more they could have done with him there

 

There was also potential with the Batarians, who have a somewhat legitimate grievance against the Alliance settling regions they had explored and claimed.

 

Any Alliance encroachment on Batarian territory is undercut though by the Batarians being North Korea in space, rabid xenophobes, and supporting terrorism and slavery.

[Broganisity]

Morally ambiguous stories can be great, I agree. But I prefer having characters being beacons of light in the otherwise foggy morality world if we have that kind of story. One reason Faridah Malik is my favorite character in Deus Ex: Human Revolution is because she is such a character for example.

 

;_; Malik.

I never asked for these feels.

[Ashevajak]

There was also potential with the Batarians, who have a somewhat legitimate grievance against the Alliance settling regions they had explored and claimed.

 

Any Alliance encroachment on Batarian territory is undercut though by the Batarians being North Korea in space, rabid xenophobes, and supporting terrorism and slavery.

 

Though lets be honest, a Batarian Kim Jong Un would've been hilarious.

[Vortex13]

Though lets be honest, a Batarian Kim Jong Un would've been hilarious.

 

 

I bet he would be very lonely.

[Dean_the_Young]

Since Imperialists, per definition, are evil, then why should I care what they think?

 

Besides that pretty much everyone lives in an empire of some sort these days?

 

Because you should care about what non-stupid evil thinks and does, lest you be surprised and overtaken by it.

[Avilan II]

Besides that pretty much everyone lives in an empire of some sort these days? 

 

Really?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

;_; Malik.

I never asked for these feels.

Hey, there. It's okay. *pats back soothingly*

They never confirmed whether her death is canon, and one of the lead animators I believe is going to "whisper in the ears of the writers" that there are a lot of fans who want Malik to show up if she survived DE:HR. So she may appear as a cameo or just be left ambiguous.

[Dean_the_Young]

Really?

 

Unless you're in a city state, or a failed state, your nation can be considered an empire.

 

Mind you, 'empire', like 'imperialism,' is an amazingly broad term. It doesn't just mean 'bad countries I dislike.'

[Avilan II]

Unless you're in a city state, or a failed state, your nation can be considered an empire.

 

Mind you, 'empire', like 'imperialism,' is an amazingly broad term. It doesn't just mean 'bad countries I dislike.'

 

If you think "nation" and "empire" are the same, you have a lot of school to go to.

[Dean_the_Young]

If you think "nation" and "empire" are the same, you have a lot of school to go to.

 

It's thanks to 'lot of school' that you realize the two have significant overlap and aren't mutually exclusive in the least. 'Nation' and 'Empire' are as different as 'state' and 'nation' or 'nation' and 'country.'

 

Which is to say, not very, because the terms are very broad and there's no singular definition for it. People can't even agree upon what the American Empire consists of, just as ye old ancient peoples couldn't agree what the Roman Empire was.

 

It's a semantics game.

[Broganisity]

Hey, there. It's okay. *pats back soothingly*

They never confirmed whether her death is canon, and one of the lead animators I believe is going to "whisper in the ears of the writers" that there are a lot of fans who want Malik to show up if she survived DE:HR. So she may appear as a cameo or just be left ambiguous.

Oh I saved her because I activated bloodrage.

BLOODRAGE SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Moral dilemmas are good, but if this game becomes a reiteration of spec-ops: the line (which I never finished...), where the game forces you to choose bad choices and then proceeds to beat you with a giant sign that says: What have you done, you monster you... I'll just have to skip this one.

 

Indeed. I loathed that in Spec-Ops. It's just not effective to force players into bad acts if they want to proceed, then tell them they shouldn't have done it. What's my other options, stop playing and waste my money? Screw that.

 

I wouldn't be averse to the game exploring concepts of colonialism, honestly, and better than the good vs evil Avatar way of things. Say that the colonists need a ressource on a specific planet, but the technologically inferior natives also need it and aren't willing to give it away. Do you convince them to share (so less for you), move away in the hopes of finding other sources (with the risks that entails), or take it by force for your own survival (which means losses for you and generally being a bit evil)? That kind of moral dilemna.

 

I just hope the native races don't just turn out to be giant assholes we can shoot in the face with impunity because they're evil.

[General TSAR]

Indeed. I loathed that in Spec-Ops. It's just not effective to force players into bad acts if they want to proceed, then tell them they shouldn't have done it. What's my other options, stop playing and waste my money? 

Yep.

 

"Killing for yourself is murder, killing for government is heroic, killing for entertainment is harmless."

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, if we encounter the Na'Vi in the game, I'll send them more than a basket of daisycutters.

[Xerxes52]

This time, we're the "Outside Context Problem".

 

Gonna be great.

[shodiswe]

The ARK fleet will be a bunch of Refugees looking for an unsettled planet to settle. I doubt they will go looking for a war with established species and I also doubt they got a vast Tech superiority over the natives.

It's possible they might have a few Tech pieces that are superior, having had a different and unique development in Another galaxy and what the Reapers might have given them.

So, we got refugees(The ARK fleet), and people who might be trying to rob and exterminate and genocide what could possibly be the last surviving members of several different species.

Whatever...

[Andrew Lucas]

We fight or we die, basically rule of survival.

It was Shep's greatest plan.

[Dean_the_Young]

Indeed. I loathed that in Spec-Ops. It's just not effective to force players into bad acts if they want to proceed, then tell them they shouldn't have done it. What's my other options, stop playing and waste my money? Screw that.

 

 

That, ahem, is the point.

 

Nicely demonstrated.

[Medhia_Nox]

If Bioware wanted to portray the sapient races as evil... they had the perfect opportunity in ME 1 - 3. 

 

Sapient races are anathema to all other life forms.  They cripple biodiversity (you need only look at our domestication practices) and devastate ecosystems.  They are, without a doubt, a destructive invasive species (at least humans are).

 

Had ME 1 - 3 approached the Reapers from this standpoint... I would have chosen, if available, to allow them to win.

 

 

[In Exile]

Indeed. I loathed that in Spec-Ops. It's just not effective to force players into bad acts if they want to proceed, then tell them they shouldn't have done it. What's my other options, stop playing and waste my money? Screw that.

 

I hate nothing more than games that basically troll their audience and pat themselves on the back for being clever and sophisticated. It's self-congratulatory pontification, and it adds nothing of value. IMO. 

[TruthSerum]

Way back when before anything about "Ark Theory" or Andromeda had been announced I had predicted that ME would be going to a new galaxy to escape the effects of the Reaper war.  The term I used was "Mass Effect: Exodus". 

 

The way I had seen it though the new galaxy was already populated with rival factions ranging from not so good,  to bad,  to really really bad and out of pure self preservation you would have to choose to ally yourself with one of them and the choice would not be so obvious. Then whichever direction you ended up choosing would then help decide the future of a new galaxy. 

 

It seems to me that if you ally yourself with a native state that welcomes your assistance you wouldn't seem to be such an all conquering, all invading warmonger. 

[Derrame]

it dependes on the objective, it's not the same if we need a new planet to survive or if we destroy civilizations

[Big I]

If the Milky Way colonists settle on unihabited worlds that aren't claimed by an existing senitent species then it's fine. If they settle inhabited/owned worlds then they're the bad guys.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Who says that we're the more technological advanced party? Maybe the species in the Andromeda galaxy have been around for millions of years because they weren't harvested every 50.000 years. Maybe they are so superior that we stand no chance in a direct conflict.

 

Wouldn't it be interesting to start out as the clueless stranger and slowly work our way up as we obtain new technology and make it our own?

 

They won't see it coming when we rise up and ursup the seat of power, muahahahaha.

 

No, we're not the bad guys. Why do you ask?