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[KaiserShep]

Being significantly outstripped technologically is just asking for a serious asspull to resolve the conflict.

[GnusmasTHX]

Being significantly outstripped technologically is just asking for a serious asspull to resolve the conflict.

 

Not to mention we had an entire trilogy devoted to a similar asspull.

 

Honestly why I thought the leaked spoilers about the R******* was the most disappointing thing I've heard about the game so far.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Being significantly outstripped technologically is just asking for a serious asspull to resolve the conflict.

 

Perhaps, perhaps not. Depends on how much time we get for it. If it's similiar to DA2.. where the story happens over several years... then it might be plausible that we adapt the alien technology.

[KaiserShep]

Perhaps, perhaps not. Depends on how much time we get for it. If it's similiar to DA2.. where the story happens over several years... then it might be plausible that we adapt the alien technology.

 

It's not really a matter of time. The trouble is, if we obtain some tech of theirs, whatever it is will be quickly outmoded in a short period of time, so it would be a perpetual game of catchup. Basically, to get on their level, the aliens would have to suffer from mass incompetence because suddenly these upstarts are doing it better than they are. 

 

When the aliens are super advanced with seemingly no hope of beating them, it always comes down to the proverbial Powerbook of Destiny. Give em a virus. That'll learn those superintelligent aliens that didn't install Space Avast. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's not really a matter of time. The trouble is, if we obtain some tech of theirs, whatever it is will be quickly outmoded in a short period of time, so it would be a perpetual game of catchup. Basically, to get on their level, the aliens would have to suffer from mass incompetence because suddenly these upstarts are doing it better than they are. 

 

When the aliens are super advanced with seemingly no hope of beating them, it always comes down to the proverbial Powerbook of Destiny. Give em a virus. That'll learn those superintelligent aliens that didn't install Space Avast. 

 

Oh, I wasn't even thinking direct conflict. More like... we remnants from the Milky Way get permission to settle on a substandard planet and then they treat us like second class citizen. Similiar to the Prothean Empire and it's conquered species.

After a while we use their technology, too... and still have our own, which they never showed interest in because it's primitive.

Time for a revolt! Topple the unjust oppressors and install our own Empire! With Blackjack and hookers!

 

[KaiserShep]

Direct conflict is kind of necessary, otherwise we have nothing to kill in large numbers. And if there's one thing Mass Effect is always in need of, it's a considerably high body count.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Direct conflict is kind of necessary, otherwise we have nothing to kill in large numbers. 

 

Our masters would use us as shocktroops to subjugate other species and to quell slave revolts. Good opportunity to build a reputation, form connections and perhaps prepare for our own revolt later on.

[The Twilight God]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

To the victors go the spoils. There is no such thing as one people being inherently entitled to anything.

[RatThing]

Well, better bad guys than dead guys. Seriously, if the arc theory is true then this is not an expedition for resources and not imperialism. It's a fight for survival and for the future of your race. You cannot blame the colonists to fight for their own future, just like you cannot blame the native population of Andromeda to protect their territorial sovereignty. It's just natural. Conventional morality doesn't apply here.

[Laughing_Man]

Well, better bad guys than dead guys. Seriously, if the arc theory is true then this is not an expedition for resources and not imperialism. It's a fight for survival and for the future of your race. You cannot blame the colonists to fight for their own future, just like you cannot blame the native population of Andromeda to protect their territorial sovereignty. It's just natural. Conventional morality doesn't apply here.

 

Especially since the whole hypothetical subjugation of other races is not going to occur in a bioware game.

 

At most staking claims on uncharted planets, fighting pirates, and building connection with local colonies of friendly aliens.

[Kabooooom]

I'm pretty sure our new protagonist is going to boldly go where no man has gone before, explore strange worlds and new alien civilizations...

And then pilfer their resources and bang their women.

History repeats.

[The Twilight God]

I'm pretty sure our new protagonist is going to boldly go where no man has gone before, explore strange worlds and new alien civilizations...

And then pilfer their resources and bang their women.

History repeats.

ME is the prequel to Star Wars. It's how the human cockroaches spread all over the Galaxy far far away.

SPOILER: We lose the Rakata Wars.

[RatThing]

Especially since the whole hypothetical subjugation of other races is not going to occur in a bioware game.

 

At most staking claims on uncharted planets, fighting pirates, and building connection with local colonies of friendly aliens.

 

I wouldn't be too sure about it given how you could treat the Krogans and the Quarians (I guess the Geth count as well) in ME3. I expect to be able to cause some great harm as a (renegade) choice to native population in the next game to achieve your goals.

[The Arbiter]

When discussing nations, "bad" and "good" becomes irrelevant, really. War is war, it's not about who is right and wrong, it's about ownership.

Yep we are gonna squat on someone's lawn and bring freedom all over Andromeda

[The Arbiter]

Seriously, no matter who we fight in the game, aren´t we the foreign invaders? Even if we settle an empty planet and other races discover it later, don´t they have a bigger claim on the planet since well, we are not even from the same galaxy?

That is correct. We are basically going to invade it and are now worse than reapers

[Laughing_Man]

I wouldn't be too sure about it given how you could treat the Krogans and the Quarians (I guess the Geth count as well) in ME3. I expect to be able to cause some great harm as a (renegade) choice to native population in the next game to achieve your goals.

 

Yeah, but I think it's different. Hard choices is one thing, and outright subjugating of an unsuspecting alien race is another.

 

Krogan: With all due respect to Wrex and Eve, how exactly can they prevent a repeat of the Krogan rebellions if every female gives birth to hundreds(!) of little cubs every time? Imagine that they can do this even no more than once per year. When the new females reach sexual maturity, Krogan numbers are literally going to explode. What do you think happens fifty or a hundred years later?

 

Completely curing the Genophage sounds like a terrible idea to me. A modified cure would have been better. Make every Krogan fertile, but limit birth numbers to say, no more than five or ten at a time. Each cub will remain precious, not simply become cannon fodder, and Krogan numbers will stabilize.

 

Quarians: Well, if you couldn't force a peace agreement, you had to make a choice, the Reapers are at the door after all, and everyone is needed to fight them.

[KaiserShep]

Completely curing the Genophage sounds like a terrible idea to me. A modified cure would have been better. Make every Krogan fertile, but limit birth numbers to say, no more than five or ten at a time. Each cub will remain valuable, not simply become cannon fodder, and Krogan numbers will stabilize.

 

To be nitpicky, "cure" is a misnomer. This is simply yet another modified version of the genophage, because while it may mitigate the effect of the previous modification, it's still curtailing their reproduction. According to Mordin, the first modification was a hugely complicated, time-consuming process. 

[Laughing_Man]

To be nitpicky, "cure" is a misnomer. This is simply yet another modified version of the genophage, because while it may mitigate the effect of the previous modification, it's still curtailing their reproduction. According to Mordin, the first modification was a hugely complicated, time-consuming process. 

 

Doesn't matter.

 

The main things are that Krogan numbers will stabilize, they won't have to see piles of dead stillborn cubs (just lower the number of fertile eggs a female can produce each time), each cub will remain precious (therefore forcing a shift in Krogan perception of self-preservation), and a new hope will present itself for the Krogan.

 

Will it be easy? Maybe not. But we have some Salarians for that. They broke it, they should fix it.

 

Funny thing, as annoying as the Salarian dalatrass was, she was right. Curing the Krogan completely is a guarantee for a future bloodbath.

 

No doubt that the Krogan are the victims in this story, but the facts remain.

[RatThing]

There have always been territorial conflicts and problems that come with expansion and colonization in the arc. Humans settling in the Attican Traverse, claimed by the Batarians. Quarians trying to settle on a new planet but the Counsil doesn't allow it. Quarians and Geth claiming the same planet. Earlier Salarians entering Rachni space, causing the Rachni wars. Then Krogans settling on Asari colonies causing the Krogan rebellion. Almost all of them were sresolved (or could have been resolved) by a very agressive act. Torfan, Genophage, extincting the Rachni, eradicating one side on Rannoch. I fully expect similar situations and conflicts in the next game and at least the option to solve those in an unpleasant way. Everything else would be cowardly.

[KaiserShep]

Doesn't matter.

 

The main things are that Krogan numbers will stabilize, they won't have to see piles of dead stillborn cubs (just lower the number of fertile eggs a female can produce each time), each cub will remain precious (therefore forcing a shift in Krogan perception of self-preservation), and a new hope will present itself for the Krogan.

 

Funny thing, as annoying as the Salarian dalatrass was, she was right. Curing the Krogan completely is a guarantee for a future bloodbath.

 

No doubt that the Krogan are the victims in this story, but the facts remain.

 

It matters because however one slices it, it's still the genophage. While this ultimately comes down to Mordin/Padok being at fault for even presenting the prospect of a full cure in the first place, it's also possible that without this carrot, the Urdnot clan leader would probably not even entertain the idea of helping the turians while the reapers are trying to choke out whatever remains of Tuchanka's ecology. Of course, the sensible option on the part of the salarians would be to simply have a placebo and tell them it's the cure. The krogan will be too preoccupied fighting reapers to really know the difference until it's too late anyway. 

[Laughing_Man]

It matters because however one slices it, it's still the genophage. While this ultimately comes down to Mordin/Padok being at fault for even presenting the prospect of a full cure in the first place, it's also possible that without this carrot, the Urdnot clan leader would probably not even entertain the idea of helping the turians while the reapers are trying to choke out whatever remains of Tuchanka's ecology. Of course, the sensible option on the part of the salarians would be to simply have a placebo and tell them it's the cure. The krogan will be too preoccupied fighting reapers to really know the difference until it's too late anyway. 

 

Yeah, it's still the Genophage, but if even Wrex the Krogan Jesus can't understand / don't care about what are the effects of hundreds of cubs in every birth, and the inevitability of yet ANOTHER war within a few generations, then the whole "reforming the Krogan" idea is doomed anyway.

 

So, if the choice is lie to the Krogan entirely, or provide a partial "cure" and give them a chance for an actual reform, I would choose the latter.

[Medhia_Nox]

I'm really hoping to, by the end of ME 4... meet the established races. 

 

Example:  We managed to enter the Andromeda Galaxy in a particularly undeveloped section of it.  Good for us!  Things being what they are... it's a galaxy, and even advanced civilizations wouldn't find us at first.  Good for us!

 

So... we establish colonies for our races... fight off brigands, pirates, warlords who have settled in these areas.  New aliens?  Strange, but so weak!  Yeah kick ass!  

 

However - cleaning up this section of the Andromeda alerts the established races.

 

End of ME 4... a massive ship (the Andromeda version of the Ascension) shows up... with a vast fleet and want's to know who the F we are, where the F we came from, and what the F we think we're doing.  

 

ME 5... can be a conflict of subjugation where the original ME races fight to keep their new worlds and ends with an armistice.

 

ME 6... can be the conclusion of that war, the establishing of the ME races are vital parts of the new Andromeda. 

 

NO big bad... NO super-tech (both sides CAN be equal in tech here)... NO galaxy endangering arch.

 

 Just a good story of a war to get to stay that questions 1) Do we have a right to stay?  2) What lengths are we willing to go to (and the moral degenerates on the forums should get all their precious "ruthless" options.  3)  How to we broker peace with people who were already here.

 

I do NOT want to be meeting primitives and deciding in which way is it best to wipe them out.

[pdusen]

That is correct. We are basically going to invade it and are now worse than reapers

See, this is what I'm talking about. The assumptions you need to be making to reach that conclusion right now are enormous.

[dragonflight288]

Being significantly outstripped technologically is just asking for a serious asspull to resolve the conflict.

 

That depends on what the conflict actually is.

 

It could be like a First Contact War that happened pre-triloogy, and that was resolved because the Asari got involved and cooler heads prevailed. 

 

It could very well be that we find a world, our sensors don't pick up any settled life on it, we settle down only to find out another race was on the way there to colonize after having just purchased colonization rights from their government. They weren't expecting us as we're from another galaxy, we weren't expecting them to show up because we thought the planet was uninhabited, there's a small conflict to act as the prologue...

 

Then the government shows up, calms both sides down and the rest of the game is more about helping humanity find its place in the new galaxy and the main antagonist is someone like Saren, someone who lost a relative in the first conflict who is sabotaging all efforts for humanity to find a place to call home. 

 

Okay, that's likely not the conflict, and would in no way be as close to epic as a trilogy of fighting the Reapers, but it would be fairly interesting to be the very first encounter other races have with humans, where we are the very first impression.

 

In the trilogy, humans are often seen as bullies who run over everything their path, and greedy and opportunistic as they've been given a great deal of power, something most races are still waiting for.