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[Akrabra]

Maybe it was the way he died. People were so upset by that. It's one way to die through illness, it's another thing to be killed by space ninja. It's weird how they said they made Thane to appeal to females though, do females like to have their LI die of an illness or to take care of a terminally ill person or something? I didn't romance Thane, but that usually is a common sentiment when it comes to Thane's death.

Well i did the romance once and i felt that death fit Thane as a character way better than just wasting away in some bed. Still i get why people were upset because Kai Leng was not worthy to kill Thane. Still he died doing what he learned from Irikah and Shepard, which was helping people with the skills he was provided by the Hanar in his training. 

 

I guess i don't get upset over the romance options and stories in the game. All i want is for them to fit into the characters  story arc. Which is why i am sad when Dorian leaves my character (friend or boyfriend), but i understand why he is leaving. 

[Steelcan]

Halfass effort for the guys, not the girls. Female version of Kaidan was perfect with the full contents. At least you have a full game in ME2, the gay version of Kaidan is basically just an inferior version from straight Kaidan in the last game. 

 

If we're gonna play woe is me, then Thane fans and that one Jacob fan have it the worst.

what about his gay content is different or missing from his straight content?

 

I've not done either version.

[Battlebloodmage]

what about his gay content is different or missing from his straight content?

 

I've not done either version.

There are many instances throughout the game, imported Shepard would also even have more scenes that exclusive to femShep like staring at his butt. None imported version Shepard lacks a lot of romantic moments for Kaidan and his dialogues also tend to be shorter, but in particular, he won't put Shepard's hand on his face and say something sweet to maleShep, during the romance scene, the scene is a lot shorter, and maleShep also won't sit on top of Shepard and confessing their love, while walking into the dance club, Kaidan and maleShep won't hold hand or show any closeness but he does to femShep. 

[Steelcan]

There are many instances throughout the game, imported Shepard would also even have more scenes that exclusive to femShep like staring at his butt. None imported version Shepard lacks a lot of romantic moments for Kaidan and his dialogues also tend to be shorter, but in particular, he won't put Shepard's hand on his face and say something sweet to maleShep, during the romance scene, the scene is a lot shorter, and maleShep also won't sit on top of Shepard and confessing their love, while walking into the dance club, Kaidan and maleShep won't hold hand or show any closeness but he does to femShep. 

but are they missing any scenes wholesale?

[Battlebloodmage]

but are they missing any scenes wholesale?

The butt viewing scene, I guess. Scenes and dialogues missing as part of a big scene. Not sure what your point is.

[Steelcan]

The butt viewing scene, I guess. Scenes and dialogues missing as part of a big scene. Not sure what your point is.

so there's a few small differences between the two that can be explained as his gay content having been added at a different stage from his straight romance content?

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Why Thane fans? You know he is dying, you take that risk. 

It's not solely because he died, it's mostly because you get next to no dialogue up to his extremely stupid death. You get one short conversation and the only stuff specific to a romance is an awkward paragon interrupt and a dialogue option to jump his bones in front of the whole hospital. Shepard also straight up says the only reason she's at Huerta is to see the VS, which is probably untrue in the case of a Thane romancing Shep. Thane also acts horribly OOC, having done a complete 180 after his character development when romanced.

 

Then you cut to the dumb Kai Lame scene where Shep stands like an idiot while Thane plays chicken with a sword, dumb no matter what but especially glaring if romance happened. Shepard shows zero reaction to him being stabbed, just leaves. Shepard's prayer scene dialogue is also exactly the same as it is when just a friend (saying she's there because he's a 'hero', not because, oh idk she loved him or anything, and just standing there while he dies). Then nobody even acknowledges his death, like it never happened.

BioWare also hinted at a cure during development by putting up a banner in their office, and a few tweets hinted as well, then they were just like 'lolnevermind'. But that's not as bad as the horrid mess they put in the game.

 

sorry for the small rant i'm still mad about this 

[Battlebloodmage]

so there's a few small differences between the two that can be explained as his gay content having been added at a different stage from his straight romance content?

A few minutes shorter for a romance is a lot when romance contents for ME games are not even that much, especially when a lot of it was related to making it obvious that it was femShep and most of those scenes are romantic-related, that means a lot. The scenes make it look more platonic instead of romantic without it since it lacks a lot of body contact and cuddling. They are basically reedit the Kaidan scene from femShep and copy and paste it for maleShep, I would have been better if they bother to put in equal effort and maybe replace some scenes even with reediting. 

[daveliam]

but are they missing any scenes wholesale?

 

I don't know of any full scenes that are missing, but there is a noticeable amount of stuff that is missing between the two versions.  It mostly has to do with animations:  places where FemShep acts in a way that doesn't work for maleShep animations.  There's no question that they took a shortcut with it.  Instead of actually addressing the issues, they took the cheap way and just cut those parts of the scenes out.  And there's only one or two lines in his dinner scene that is unique to maleShep.

 

Overall, it's a bummer to see that FemShep got some more content.  But, in my opinion, it doesn't lose anything significant in the story arc; it's just missing some of the nice moments between them.  I can see why people are annoyed by it because it is a lesser product.  But I, personally, don't think it's too awful.  I think it's more about the fact that gay guys were already getting the short end of the stick in the series and our only other option was an NPC with less content to begin with.  So it's like, "We've addressed your concerns and given you two options.  But one of them is an NPC with less content and the other is a companion, but FemShep's version of the romance contains everything in yours and a bunch of other stuff too."

 

Again, not the end of the world, in my opinion, but definitely a bummer.  And, none of this provides any explanation as to why people don't consider him bisexual outside of just saying "I don't like how this was implemented so I'm not going to count it."  Had Kaidan had the exact same romance with maleShep as FemShep, I suspect most of the complainers wouldn't be questioning his sexuality at all.

[vbibbi]

Maybe it was the way he died. People were so upset by that. It's one way to die through illness, it's another thing to be killed by space ninja. It's weird how they said they made Thane to appeal to females though, do females like to have their LI die of an illness or to take care of a terminally ill person or something? I didn't romance Thane, but that usually is a common sentiment when it comes to Thane's death.

Space ninja is an illness.

[aoibhealfae]

It was more about the differences between imported romances (where certain things are flagged "ME1 romanced") and new romances. All new romances between Liara, Ashley and Kaidan have less content than imported ones and it is not a conspiracy against gaymancers.   

 

Imported Kaidan-romance narrative is completely different than ME3 new romance. It is a trilogy-worth narrative with its own multiple arcs that span three to four years. FemShep and Kaidan had a complicated relationship together from the start. He was her subordinate and she was his boss, and unlike her, he was risking being court-martialed for fraternization and they decided to keep their relationship hidden. But she still recklessly risk her life repetitively to save him and died in the process. He grieved for years and when he found out she was alive, he was happy but angry when he realized she was working with Cerberus and considering the Illusive Man did sic the Collectors on him, he deserved to be skeptical. Stupidly enough her broke her heart in the process. She went through the whole shenanigan thinking that after she fix the mess she was in, she would come back for him. TIM threatened Kaidan's life to control her twice and when she rebelled, TIM ordered Eve to kill Kaidan in front of her to punish her. All these doesn't sound like a super-romantic storytelling, it is a telenovela. There's a frickin lot of drama, tears and heartaches and long mournful looks. They have it rough together for a long time. Each of them place the other in jeopardy. Each of them work hard and Kaidan become a Spectre just so they could be together as equal. The entire galaxy is against them and all this happen before their lock-in romance scene at Apollo's cafe. 

Why should BroShep become entitled to have the exact same copy of their ME3 romance? BroShep already got the sweet loving drama-free conclusion of their relationship without all the effort and hard sacrifices FemShep and Kaidan had to make as lovers.

 

And there are options with Cortez. His romance is developed for BroShep with its own self-contained narrative with the attraction, personal conflict and drama and resolution and denouement within the game.  It was also the only romance for BroShep where he was allowed to have more personality and depth (which I rarely see with Meer) without too much focus on the LI's emote (which only last at the memorial scene). Frankly, it have the least autodialogues in ME3 since you're in control with how you want to approach him and how you respond to him and Cortez flirt a lot more than Kaidan. And the approach to his romance at Purgatory was a lot less comical than Traynor's shower scene. I guess, if Cortez was allowed to have a face scan and London goodbye kiss scene, maybe it would be different.

[Battlebloodmage]

 

It was more about the differences between imported romances (where certain things are flagged "ME1 romanced") and new romances. All new romances between Liara, Ashley and Kaidan have less content than imported ones and it is not a conspiracy against gaymancers.   

 

Imported Kaidan-romance narrative is completely different than ME3 new romance. It is a trilogy-worth narrative with its own multiple arcs that span three to four years. FemShep and Kaidan had a complicated relationship together from the start. He was her subordinate and she was his boss, and unlike her, he was risking being court-martialed for fraternization and they decided to keep their relationship hidden. But she still recklessly risk her life repetitively to save him and died in the process. He grieved for years and when he found out she was alive, he was happy but angry when he realized she was working with Cerberus and considering the Illusive Man did sic the Collectors on him, he deserved to be skeptical. Stupidly enough her broke her heart in the process. She went through the whole shenanigan thinking that after she fix the mess she was in, she would come back for him. TIM threatened Kaidan's life to control her twice and when she rebelled, TIM ordered Eve to kill Kaidan in front of her to punish her. All these doesn't sound like a super-romantic storytelling, it is a telenovela. There's a frickin lot of drama, tears and heartaches and long mournful looks. They have it rough together for a long time. Each of them place the other in jeopardy. Each of them work hard and Kaidan become a Spectre just so they could be together as equal. The entire galaxy is against them and all this happen before their lock-in romance scene at Apollo's cafe. 

Why should BroShep become entitled to have the exact same copy of their ME3 romance? BroShep already got the sweet loving drama-free conclusion of their relationship without all the effort and hard sacrifices FemShep and Kaidan had to make as lovers.

 

And there are options with Cortez. His romance is developed for BroShep with its own self-contained narrative with the attraction, personal conflict and drama and resolution and denouement within the game.  It was also the only romance for BroShep where he was allowed to have more personality and depth (which I rarely see with Meer) without too much focus on the LI's emote (which only last at the memorial scene). Frankly, it have the least autodialogues in ME3 since you're in control with how you want to approach him and how you respond to him and Cortez flirt a lot more than Kaidan. And the approach to his romance at Purgatory was a lot less comical than Traynor's shower scene. I guess, if Cortez was allowed to have a face scan and London goodbye kiss scene, maybe it would be different.

 

Except no one compare imported Kaidan to non-imported Kaidan, they compare 2 non-imported Kaidan to each other. 

 

You know you make it seem as if it's like we have a choice in the first place,

 

 

They outright stated that an undefined protagonist is actually defined by his sexuality, but then female Shepard can be bisexual, like aren't they the same person? As the entire thing is comparing the 2 non-imported relationships, the Kaidan one is clearly inferior and just a copy and paste from the femShep one. Cortez is nowhere near a good implementation, it has so many speech check during the lock in that it makes it so obvious Bioware was afraid to offend straight guys, his relationship as an NPC also doesn't allow a lot of build up time and we don't get a lot of his story or personality outside of his dead husband. 

[Midnight Bliss]

Here's your proof:

 

Kaidan can be romanced by both men and women in ME3. 

 

That's it.  That's all the evidence you need because that's all the evidence required to demonstrate that he's bisexual.  Anything beyond that is you jumping through mental hoops to try to discredit the romance to support your own narrative that "Bioware doesn't care at all about gay men".

Except that's only proof he's bisexual within the fan fiction of that story or playersexual, not that he's actually a bisexual character.

 

The question whether BW cares about gay men or not is completely irrelevant to Kaidan because he was only made heterosexual to force BW cowardly inclusion agenda. If BW genuinely wanted to have another male LI for Bro Sheps, they could have easily made James bisexual, but instead decided to take an established heterosexual character and include a boys love mod for gay romancers because that character was already polarizing with fans and potentially wouldn't even be alive, so they probably figured it would cause less of a controversy.

 

Yet again you fail at intentionally misrepresenting how I feel in order to invalidate my statements and justify your choice to act like a bratty little child towards me and repeatedly make passive aggressive comments in your responses because you didn't like what I was saying, instead of just saying you disagreed with me and offering to have an intelligent conversation which I would have happily done.

 

I'm not sure if you just don't like me or you behave this way with everyone you don't agree with, but you chose to make this exchange contentious and you chose to continue trying to instigate an argument with me instead of just apologizing and changing gears toward something positive, all because you wanted to act like Bioware's white knight, and incorrectly believed me to be some unintellectual simpleton who would just allow you to repeatedly misrepresent what I was saying. This BS of throwing as much mud at the wall and hoping some sticks has never worked with me in the past, and I'm not going definitely not going to permit somebody to interact with me in that manner now. Get a real argument and have an intelligent conversation with me or step off.

 

 

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I too am a huge fan of Kaidan, he is my favourite male human character (and probably human character in the trilogy). 

 

I understand you are not saying that people who have BroSheps who romance Kaidan are stupid or wrong. I am just confused by the fact that you clearly love Kaidan (woop!) and am more than happy for everyone to get the opportunity to choose to romance him, and the statement about the romance being a mod. It just seemed contradictory. 

I didn't mean anything antagonistic when I said it was a mod, it's just my perception. I never imagined it would be such a bother, because I assumed it would just be water off a duck's back for anyone who disagreed with me and no different than people saying things like "Kaidan is so boring" or "I always choose Ash loool". It isn't as though me saying it's pretty much a mod hurts gay romancers, or their ability to love Kaidan, and I'd figured they either wouldn't care or would just post and disagree with me. Hell, people use the bi Cullen and boyboy Alistair mods, and still enjoy their canons despite of the fact they're using "mods", and I doubt those romancers care if people mention they're using mods or even what they think, frankly.

 

I apologize if any of my comments seemed hostile toward you though, because they weren't supposed to be. - I wasn't sure if that's something you were getting at, but I wanted to put the first foot forward and say it now just in case.

 

Yeah, except Dean Winchester is straight and never has sex with a guy (that Destiel stuff is just fan fiction by the same yaoi fangirls who came up with "Wincest") whereas Kaidan gets pounded by Shepard in a canon male romance. He's also romanceable by a female Shepard. Hence "BISEXUAL".

Really though, I'm done with this argument. Good day, sir.

 

 

to be fair, Jensen Ackles opposes a lot to Destiel. He shut down a girl who has a question about Destiel and talked down to her and said that she ruined it for everyone at the convention, he also objected to a line where Dean said he loves Castiel, so they have to change it. The actor isn't comfortable playing gay characters, so it wouldn't happen. Misha Collins is a total sweetheart though, since he loves to indulge the fans and often even offer his interpretation of how much Dean and Castiel love each other. Still, while the two won't ever develop into a relationship, there is a clear baiting tactic by the producers, there are a lot of homoerotic undertones in the series intentionally make people want to watch the show. They know that the show survive on the gay baiting, which is why they keep bringing out these moments.

 

I don't see Kaidan as bisexual but playersexual (meaning not gay or straight either). I'm happy I can romance Kaidan, but I always feel like he sees me as femShep, he doesn't show any attraction at all to males. It's one thing to say that he has a preference, but he makes many repeated comments about females only. In ME world, gay people are not being discriminated in any way, so there's no reason for why he can't comment on how hot other guys are or some off-handed comments about guys. I feel like Bioware is still afraid to have guys to talk about the attraction toward the same sex because straight people may find it awkward. Straight guys may get creep out or think they're hitting on them and the girls may see the guys as gross and that their prince charming want to sleep with other guys.

It's such a shame Jensen feels so uncomfortable over gay stuff. (Or so I've heard) I would have really liked to see Dean and Castiel develop a more loving/intimate friendship, I don't know. Never having sex or being together, any of that, but becoming really close ride or die best friends, something about that would have been really sweet if they pulled it off.

 

^^^^^^ on the second paragraph! - I'm so glad somebody gets it.

[Panda]

Eh, depends on the company, the production costs, and other expenses.

 

Something safe usually sales better then a edgy flop as 'Rapelay' will attest, I mean really (Luckily I bought my copy back in 2008 ) I mean if you try to push something just because there is a demand for it, you run the risk of offending the audience. I mean if you want a less extreme version lets try Enzai, a BL VN series, It takes relatively few risks, its pretty straight forward, but that doesn't change it having one of the most engaging story arcs and a very good atmosphere for that kind of story.

 

Its literally like to my knowledge of one of the most successful BL video game series in existence because its niche fanbase supports it so thoroughly.

 

Ultimately this has jack to do with Bioware or ME though, I just figured I'd point out that Japanese businesses have to cater to their own fanbase first and foremost especially in niche markets. So I wouldn't advise against social commentary or speaking a message, I'd just say do it at your own financial risk.

 

I simply don't think Japanese companies would need to take that big of risk of including same sex romances in games that already have opposite sex romances. Especially if the content is entirely up to player- they can either choose to romance male character with male protagonist or not. If set protagonist had gay romance in game that you have no saying in- that would be risky move to pull, but not simply including more options to players.

 

In terms of catering Japanese market first, well for example Persona 4: Golden sold more in US than in Japan and some of Final Fantasys as well. Gaming industry is pretty global in the end so I don't think thinking only one country is good strategy when making game.

[Han Shot First]

Maybe Bioware should roll a few of the separate fan requests into a single character. A gay KISA Quarian, maybe? 

 

Spoiler

Though I imagine some of the female fans of Kal'Reegar would be disappointed to find out the male Quarian squaddie they've been requesting is gay. But those are the breaks, I suppose. The writers can't please everyone. 

[DarthSliver]

I would say maybe they can create a wide range of new races since they are already bringing MW Aliens. A new Alien race that sides with the outsiders(us) can give us that companion that is being asked for in this thread. 

[aoibhealfae]

Except no one compare imported Kaidan to non-imported Kaidan, they compare 2 non-imported Kaidan to each other. 

 

You know you make it seem as if it's like we have a choice in the first place,

 

They outright stated that an undefined protagonist is actually defined by his sexuality, but then female Shepard can be bisexual, like aren't they the same person? As the entire thing is comparing the 2 non-imported relationships, the Kaidan one is clearly inferior and just a copy and paste from the femShep one. Cortez is nowhere near a good implementation, it has so many speech check during the lock in that it makes it so obvious Bioware was afraid to offend straight guys, his relationship as an NPC also doesn't allow a lot of build up time and we don't get a lot of his story or personality outside of his dead husband. 

 

I had written earlier about how ME3 Kaidan romance was gender neutralized and how Kaidan stop referring Shepard as a woman and choose to refer to Shepard in third person. This is to accommodate modded BroShep into the romance. You can use gibbed and adjust the flags to recognize BroShep with an existing relationship with Kaidan and the scene will play out like an imported romance (Kaidan's butt shot included). But there were still a lot of lines that have gender flags that the mod couldn't completely override but it doesn't mean that the romance is inferior to FemShep or a 'huge part of the romance was cut off from BroShep'. Except for the brief scene for femshep at her cabin, every scene still plays out the same with very minor differences and its usually just the dialogues. If you want an alternative to your relationship with Kaidan, you have the option to play as FemShep.

 

Kaidan is an NPC in ME2 and is an NPC after Mars and before Rannoch. There's a lot other NPC romances in ME3 (Miranda, Jack, Thane, Traynor) and being NPCs doesn't make them all irrelevant as genuine romances. Cortez actually have more scenes between missions and he sometimes have additional interactions if you're in relationship with him. And you can be in a relationship with Cortez without ever touching the blue paragon check. That is not a requirement to romance him since the true romance lock was at Purgotary. You can even skip the paragon interrupt when they're dancing, they're still in a relationship. 

 

The only thing that was cut out from was Kaidan's friendship narrative which was available to Ashley. Kaidan's friendship narrative was crippled because they're trying to accommodate BroShep new romance so everything defaulted into Kaidan having crush to either Shepards (unless Shepard is romance-locked with someone else). With Ashley, Shepard could talk more about what happen during the incarceration, talk more about the Spectre status, Udina, they interact as best friends rather than the formality from Major Alenko. 

 

FemShep's sexuality does not define her. You can play the whole trilogy with her being asexual and she won't hook up to anyone, same as BroShep. The romance is an option in Bioware games. And although they shared the same name, FemShep and BroShep are two very different people who are voiced by two very different actors who don't mirrror each other while voicing their roles. See them as fraternal twins instead.

[ABASOVA]

Maybe Bioware should roll a few of the separate fan requests into a single character. A gay KISA Quarian, maybe? 

 

spoiler Though I imagine some of the female fans of Kal'Reegar would be disappointed to find out the male Quarian squaddie they've been requesting is gay. But those are the breaks, I suppose. The writers can't please everyone.   /spoiler

Lol, wishful thinking  . Sorry Han! Seems a male Krogan KISA (daveliam?) is more desired here . You (oops, I mean your human character) may just have to play 2nd fiddle to a hot male quarian being the sexiest man in ME:A, with all the girls in love with him. It's canon, quarians are the sexiest species in the MEU  It's either that, or a male asari  .

 

 

Or maybe with the delay we can play as different species. Sexy asari (no males) and quarians (males) for the MC.

[Battlebloodmage]

I had written earlier about how ME3 Kaidan romance was gender neutralized and how Kaidan stop referring Shepard as a woman and choose to refer to Shepard in third person. This is to accommodate modded BroShep into the romance. You can use gibbed and adjust the flags to recognize BroShep with an existing relationship with Kaidan and the scene will play out like an imported romance (Kaidan's butt shot included). But there were still a lot of lines that have gender flags that the mod couldn't completely override but it doesn't mean that the romance is inferior to FemShep or a 'huge part of the romance was cut off from BroShep'. Except for the brief scene for femshep at her cabin, every scene still plays out the same with very minor differences and its usually just the dialogues. If you want an alternative to your relationship with Kaidan, you have the option to play as FemShep.

 

Kaidan is an NPC in ME2 and is an NPC after Mars and before Rannoch. There's a lot other NPC romances in ME3 (Miranda, Jack, Thane, Traynor) and being NPCs doesn't make them all irrelevant as genuine romances. Cortez actually have more scenes between missions and he sometimes have additional interactions if you're in relationship with him. And you can be in a relationship with Cortez without ever touching the blue paragon check. That is not a requirement to romance him since the true romance lock was at Purgotary. You can even skip the paragon interrupt when they're dancing, they're still in a relationship. 

 

The only thing that was cut out from was Kaidan's friendship narrative which was available to Ashley. Kaidan's friendship narrative was crippled because they're trying to accommodate BroShep new romance so everything defaulted into Kaidan having crush to either Shepards (unless Shepard is romance-locked with someone else). With Ashley, Shepard could talk more about what happen during the incarceration, talk more about the Spectre status, Udina, they interact as best friends rather than the formality from Major Alenko. 

 

FemShep's sexuality does not define her. You can play the whole trilogy with her being asexual and she won't hook up to anyone, same as BroShep. The romance is an option in Bioware games. And although they shared the same name, FemShep and BroShep are two very different people who are voiced by two very different actors who don't mirrror each other while voicing their roles. See them as fraternal twins instead.

I don't want to play as femShep, I don't identify as femShep. I could also play as female to romance Garrus, but I prefer to roleplay characters to fit me. 

 

And Cortez still has a lot more speech checks than anyone. Maybe it doesn't matter to you since you have no stake in this, but it's important to others who gay characters are actually being treated, so you can be dismissive all you want, but the way the gay characters being treated compared to other characters are just terrible. No reasons for scenes to be shorter, NPC characters could also be a way so that they don't have gay characters to be companions/ 

 

Romance is an optional part, but I want to participate in the romance part. Maybe they should have a game not to have any option to straight women, but options available to everyone else, that wouldn't be a good feeling. You could play roleplay as straight, but that you still would miss out on the romance content everyone can engage in. If it's not that important, no one would have complain about the inequality between straight male Shep and straight female Shep. 

[BraveVesperia]

Maybe Bioware should roll a few of the separate fan requests into a single character. A gay KISA Quarian, maybe? 

 

Spoiler

Though I imagine some of the female fans of Kal'Reegar would be disappointed to find out the male Quarian squaddie they've been requesting is gay. But those are the breaks, I suppose. The writers can't please everyone. 

I don't think it'd be a huge loss to female fans if he was gay. I was most interested in romancing Dorian prior to DAI's release, and remained interested after he was revealed to be gay. And he has lots of male and female fans of his romance. 

 

I'm kind of hoping for an exiled quarian though, so I wouldn't want him to be a KISA. Unless maybe he was a reformed criminal type and became a KISA. I could get on board with that. 

[Midnight Bliss]

Maybe Bioware should roll a few of the separate fan requests into a single character. A gay KISA Quarian, maybe? 

 

Spoiler

Though I imagine some of the female fans of Kal'Reegar would be disappointed to find out the male Quarian squaddie they've been requesting is gay. But those are the breaks, I suppose. The writers can't please everyone. 

[Lady Artifice]

I don't think it'd be a huge loss to female fans if he was gay. I was most interested in romancing Dorian prior to DAI's release, and remained interested after he was revealed to be gay. And he has lots of male and female fans of his romance. 

 

I'm kind of hoping for an exiled quarian though, so I wouldn't want him to be a KISA. Unless maybe he was a reformed criminal type and became a KISA. I could get on board with that. 

 

 

That is so exactly what I want, too. 

[daveliam]

Except that's only proof he's bisexual within the fan fiction of that story or playersexual, not that he's actually a bisexual character.

 

The question whether BW cares about gay men or not is completely irrelevant to Kaidan because he was only made heterosexual to force BW cowardly inclusion agenda. If BW genuinely wanted to have another male LI for Bro Sheps, they could have easily made James bisexual, but instead decided to take an established heterosexual character and include a boys love mod for gay romancers because that character was already polarizing with fans and potentially wouldn't even be alive, so they probably figured it would cause less of a controversy.

 

Yet again you fail at intentionally misrepresenting how I feel in order to invalidate my statements and justify your choice to act like a bratty little child towards me and repeatedly make passive aggressive comments in your responses because you didn't like what I was saying, instead of just saying you disagreed with me and offering to have an intelligent conversation which I would have happily done.

 

I'm not sure if you just don't like me or you behave this way with everyone you don't agree with, but you chose to make this exchange contentious and you chose to continue trying to instigate an argument with me instead of just apologizing and changing gears toward something positive, all because you wanted to act like Bioware's white knight, and incorrectly believed me to be some unintellectual simpleton who would just allow you to repeatedly misrepresent what I was saying. This BS of throwing as much mud at the wall and hoping some sticks has never worked with me in the past, and I'm not going definitely not going to permit somebody to interact with me in that manner now. Get a real argument and have an intelligent conversation with me or step off.

 

Again, not a mod and playing the game as packaged is not fan fiction.  Either you don't understand those terms or you are purposefully "misrepresenting" the situation.  I have no issue with you as a person.  This has nothing to do with not liking you.  It has to do with the fact that you are literally making things up and presenting as fact and, when I call you out on it, you insult and play the victim.  I know that the narrative you've created in your head is that you are the victim of my mean abuse.  But, frankly, you're not pleasant to deal with.  When someone refuses to acknowledge the facts, they've indicated that all they are looking for is a fight.  So, in order to prevent you from continuing your 'woe is me' story, I'm done conversing with you.  When you are ready to treat fact as fact and opinion as opinion and are ready to stop lying about the situation to support your own narrative, I'll be happy to continue the conversation with you.  But until then, I have no interest in continuing to discuss something with someone who literally makes things up and then uses his made up concepts as facts. 

[Midnight Bliss]

Again, not a mod and playing the game as packaged is not fan fiction.  Either you don't understand those terms or you are purposefully "misrepresenting" the situation.  I have no issue with you as a person.  This has nothing to do with not liking you.  It has to do with the fact that you are literally making things up and presenting as fact and, when I call you out on it, you insult and play the victim.  I know that the narrative you've created in your head is that you are the victim of my mean abuse.  But, frankly, you're not pleasant to deal with.  When someone refuses to acknowledge the facts, they've indicated that all they are looking for is a fight.  So, in order to prevent you from continuing your 'woe is me' story, I'm done conversing with you.  When you are ready to treat fact as fact and opinion as opinion and are ready to stop lying about the situation to support your own narrative, I'll be happy to continue the conversation with you.  But until then, I have no interest in continuing to discuss something with someone who literally makes things up and then uses his made up concepts as facts. 

I said multiple times that that story is a mod/fan fiction to me, and never once said any other person wasn't entitled to their opinion or attacked people for liking Kaidan's boyboy romance. In fact, I did the complete opposite by saying I understood why people would want to do that romance, supporting people choosing it, and hoped they would include a gay character like that in the future. But apparently, this is wrong because... You disliked my delivery? Or the fact I snapped back when you started being snippy towards me?

 

And, actually, I said that you repeatedly tried to misrepresent how I felt and repeatedly tried to instigate an argument with me, not that I'm being abused and victimized by you, so again, stop trying to misrepresent my feelings to reinforce your position, and I never even heard of somebody being abused via a forum dispute, or becoming a victim because someone behaved in an uncouth way towards them online anyway, so throw that melodramatic shade at somebody else.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'll be honest, and I've mentioned this in the thread I made concerning Andromeda, but in general I just think this kind of romance does not fit. I can't even picture Kaidan as homosexual, and the romance itself just plain feels wrong, and makes me feel uncomfortable, as well as women I knew who liked the character a lot. It just doesn't feel right in the setting or for that character period.

You can't picture Kaidan as homosexual because this type of character is not usually being made to be gay. The every man type who is masculine and chills. This is more of a reason for why more characters like Cullen and Kaidan needed to be gay. Unless you watch the romance, the mere existence shouldn't make you uncomfortable, maybe you should seek a therapist for that to see if you have some hidden feelings.