Sometimes I'm sad that this game won't work on my PC. Sometimes I'm not
The romances were not really the height of BW writing in JE, but the world and story were quite nice, and the combat was well done. And I'm not sure why it wouldn't work on your PC, even when it came out it wasn't demanding, you can run it on pretty much anything.
Awww, so hard-hearted!! Just picture...
*he shuffles up to you, an awkward look on his handsome face* *he is clearly hiding something behind his back* I... found this. *awkwardly offers it to you, the toy so tiny in his large hand* It reminded me of you. *hastily* I know it's stupid. *manly shrug* *hands you the toy, and it's still warm... he's obviously been holding it for a long time tonight, not sure if he should give it to you or not*
MacCready does something like this in Fallout 4 I think... in between talking about his ex wife and your dead wife. That was a super weird romance.
Is that your tail stump or are you just happy to see me
Cant it be both?
MacCready does something like this in Fallout 4 I think... in between talking about his ex wife and your dead wife. That was a super weird romance.
Yeah, he did give you a toy, it was kinda sweet to be honest. MacCready is really the Alistair of Fallout universe. They both have these cute, warm voice, and they are both very childish and throw a tantrum when things don't go their way, and they both give you something. I see it as sweet, he trusted you with the one thing very important to him, showing how much trust he has in you, but since it's junk, I accidentally break it down while building settlements. That was a pretty fatal mistake for him to trust me with that thing. 
Yeah, he did give you a toy, it was kinda sweet to be honest. MacCready is really the Alistair of Fallout universe. They both have these cute, warm voice, and they are both very childish and throw a tantrum when things don't go their way, and they both give you something. I see it as sweet, he trusted you with the one thing very important to him, showing how much trust he has in you, but since it's junk, I accidentally break it down while building settlements. That was a pretty fatal mistake for him to trust me with that thing.
Haha. You think it's sweet and trash it. I think it's crap and put it in a special container.
Reminds me of past relationships where I've been burned if I couldn't produce a gift I was given years ago at a moment's notice. Now I have a cupboard full teddy bears. I should donate them or something.
Haha. You think it's sweet and trash it. I think it's crap and put it in a special container.
Reminds me of past relationships where I've been burned if I couldn't produce a gift I was given years ago at a moment's notice. Now I have a cupboard full teddy bears. I should donate them or something.
I have a perk where they automatically break down everything into materials. It's not really my fault since I didn't even know about it before it was too late.
Yeah, in general, we need more romance in gay romance. Masculine guys also can show they care and be romantic.
That might be an option in Andromeda's brothels, you know, if there's no squamate.
Can we get some wiggly Salarians in there?
I have a perk where they automatically break down everything into materials. It's not really my fault since I didn't even know about it before it was too late.
Yeah, in general, we need more romance in gay romance. Masculine guys also can show they care and be romantic.
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Pretend it never happened. He won't know the difference 
Everyone deserves to be topped by a Krogan.
I got lost on my way to the Twitter thread. 
I got lost on my way to the Twitter thread.
What's happening in this gif? Are they pained because it's happening to them or because they're watching it happen. Either way, they need to loosen up.
The romances were not really the height of BW writing in JE, but the world and story were quite nice, and the combat was well done. And I'm not sure why it wouldn't work on your PC, even when it came out it wasn't demanding, you can run it on pretty much anything.
No it's not that; it doesn't play nicely with my controller. I can't make my character turn around; he can only walk in a straight line lol
What's happening in this gif? Are they pained because it's happening to them or because they're watching it happen. Either way, they need to loosen up.
Sounds painful man. You guise are braver players than I to attempt it.
Breaking this into multiple quotes,
Wow, the last few pages have been hard going.
Just want to say a few things.
Playersexuality is made up. It doesn't exist in real life and I have yet to see it in a BW game. Just as with the "gay for you" trope, which is the m/m fiction analogue, any use of it is rightly lambasted. Anyone who says "I'm not gay or bisexual but I love you even though we are both men" is in serious denial and clearly hates himself that he can't bring himself to to "label"" himself for what he is. It's not difficult. A man who loves or has sex with another man is gay or bisexual.
Playersexuality not made up.
A bunch of Skyrim LI are playersexual, Fallout LIs, Anders & Fenris & Meryl were until Bioware disingenuously said "lol they're bi" later which can be taken with a grain of salt, and Kaidan is at best playersexual.
Thankfully, this doesn't describe Kaidan or any other bi LI in a Bioware game. This doesn't mean they don't need to diversify their portrayals of bi men beyond "mostly into women; sometimes into guys". But, I think they need to do this with all sexual minorities in their games and this will only happen over time and at the moment we don't really have a large enough sample size to make a judgement. I know bi guys that talk openly about their attraction to women but not so much their attraction to men; or guys that that will jump into bed with men non-stop but take things slowly and carefully with women. There are as many different types of bi guys as there are straight guys and gay guys. Kaidan, Zev, Anders, Fenris and Bull were all *accurate* portrayals but maybe a little too similar.
Except for that pesky fact Kaidan was not bisexual in ME1-ME2.
A tacked on playersexual M/M romance in a sequel doesn't turn an otherwise heterosexual character bi in PC independent canon.
As for Kaidan's "sudden" bisexuality in ME3. Yes, it was a little surprising but people surprise you. My friend's grandma just came out as a lesbian and so did a guy I used to work with (as a gay man and not a lesbian obviously
). One was in her late 60s and grew up in a time of sexual repression and the other, in his early 20s, in a time of sexual liberation. Sometimes people just aren't the people they, or anyone else, thought they were.
All that said, what the hell does it matter? In Kaidan's case it was a blatant case of the devs trying to turn around their "no gays" policy and I'm grateful for it. K wasn't retconned he was just developed more as a character. I didn't know Liara's was a quarter Krogan until ME3 but it was always the case.
It matters because it's offensive and degrading to a character's story, and is an exemplar for typical one sided SJW tolerance. Do you think people would be okay if DA4 came out and Dorian was a "bisexual" LI for female players? Do you think they would say "well, maybe he realized he liked women. what's the big deal? I mean, he never says I am gay so maybe he just decided he likes fish or met the right girl."
No, they wouldn't. All these SJW dorks would be flooding the internet and crying, accusing Bioware of being homophobic and screaming for a boycott of their games. So I guess all these head canons, imagined innuendos, somebody's middle age friend suddenly wanting the same sex one day, doubletalking, verbal evasion and passive aggressive crusading for bisexuality all only apply if it's in promoting gay sex.
Funny how that works isn't it? 
Breaking this into multiple quotes,
Playersexuality not made up.
A bunch of Skyrim LI are playersexual, Fallout LIs, Anders & Fenris & Meryl were until Bioware disingenuously said "lol they're bi" later which can be taken with a grain of salt, and Kaidan is at best playersexual.
Except for that pesky fact Kaidan was not bisexual in ME1-ME2.
A tacked on playersexual M/M romance in a sequel doesn't turn an otherwise heterosexual character bi in PC independent canon.
It matters because it's offensive and degrading to a character's story, and is an exemplar for typical one sided SJW tolerance. Do you think people would be okay if DA4 came out and Dorian was a "bisexual" LI for female players? Do you think they would say "well, maybe he realized he liked women. what's the big deal? I mean, he never says I am gay so maybe he just decided he likes fish or met the right girl."
No, they wouldn't. All these SJW dorks would be flooding the internet and crying, accusing Bioware of being homophobic and screaming for a boycott of their games. So I guess all these head canons, imagined innuendos, somebody's middle age friend suddenly wanting the same sex one day, doubletalking, verbal evasion and passive aggressive crusading for bisexuality all only apply if it's in promoting gay sex.
Funny how that works isn't it?
I can't tell if you're really this dumb or you're just trolling me. Dorian's whole character arc revolved around being ostracised by his family because he wouldn't marry a woman. His exact words were "I prefer the company of men" which is the same as saying "I am gay" in a world that doesn't use the term.
Kaidan appeared to be straight in ME1 because you found out he had feelings for a woman but you later find out he is also attracted to guys. Why can't you wrap your head around that?
If BW decided Dorian "liked fish" as you so graphically put it, it would devalue all of the previous story content as well as the positive inclusion of a gay character in a AAA game. Not that you give sh-t, but I and many others do and for good reason.
As for this "one sided tolerance" BS, am I supposed to feel sorry for you that you lost what you *thought* was a straight character to the evils of gay sex? It must be so hard not seeing yourself represented in 99.99% of video game characters.
Oh wait... that's not you, that's me.
Call me a Social Justice Warrior all you want but I think you're giving me too much credit. I don't really fight the good fight as much as I should. It's cool that you think I do though.
Kaidan was heterosexual up until BioWare decided to make him "bisexual" in Mass Effect 3.
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I can't tell if you're really this dumb or you're just trolling me. Dorian's whole character arc revolved around being ostracised by his family because he wouldn't marry a woman. His exact words were "I prefer the company of men" which is the same as saying "I am gay" in a world that doesn't use the term.
Kaidan appeared to be straight in ME1 because you found out he had feelings for a woman but you later find out he is also attracted to guys. Why can't you wrap your head around that?
If BW decided Dorian "liked fish" as you so graphically put it, it would devalue all of the previous story content as well as the positive inclusion of a gay character in a AAA game. Not that you give sh-t, but I and many others do and for good reason.
As for this "one sided tolerance" BS, am I supposed to feel sorry for you that you lost what you *thought* was a straight character to the evils of gay sex? It must be so hard not seeing yourself represented in 99.99% of video game characters.
Oh wait... that's not you, that's me.
Call me a Social Justice Warrior all you want but I think you're giving me too much credit. I don't really fight the good fight as much as I should. It's cool that you think I do though.
Except multiple people already made the argument that unless a character specifically says they are / are not bisexual it's possible they could be. If this is correct, then it would apply to all sexual orientations (Dorian never says "I am gay", Kaidan never says "I am straight" ect) and as such, my statement that the same logic could be applied to Dorian, who never shouts "I'M GAY", is true.
He was straight because he was written as a straight character. Why can't you wrap your head around that? A character with a previously established sexual orientation doesn't retroactively turn bisexual without ever having their original orientation retconned just because plays along with your straight 2 gay fantasy.
I agree the concept of making Dorian bisexual would be stupid, because I think changing any character's sexual orientation to placate a group of people halfway through a series is stupid, and why I reject it with Kaidan.
The difference between us is that I don't hypocritically support one thing I object to in another because the former promotes something that I personally like or want.
I never mentioned evils of gay sex, and am not represented in 99.99% of games. It helps knowing who you're talking to and reading comments prior to responding and having some silly meltdown because someone challenged your opinion.
Didn't claim you were a SJW, as established by the fact I said "All these SJW dorks would be flooding the internet" and not "All you SJW dorks would be flooding the internet".
See above about reading someone's comment before you respond.
The fact you chose to get all mad and melodramatic when you clearly didn't even read my comment prior to responding only proves my point that apparently changing a character's sexual orientation is just fine when they're heterosexual, but terrible if they're anything else. Which is hypocritical and ridiculous.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand we're brought back to my original point, which was that BW should have had the balls to make James bi/gay or add a gay/bi every man LI in ME3 if they wanted to be SO INCLUSIVE and SO PROGRESSIVE instead of trying to butcher another character's sexual orientation and turn them playersexual to shut up gay romancers and avoid backlash since there was a chance the character might not even exist in the story anyway.
Except multiple people already made the argument that unless a character specifically says they are / are not bisexual it's possible they could be. If this is correct, then it would apply to all sexual orientations (Dorian never says "I am gay", Kaidan never says "I am straight" ect) and as such, my statement that the same logic could be applied to Dorian, who never shouts "I'M GAY", is true.
He was straight because he was written as a straight character. Why can't you wrap your head around that? A character with a previously established sexual orientation doesn't retroactively turn bisexual without ever having their original orientation retconned just because plays along with your straight 2 gay fantasy.
I agree the concept of making Dorian bisexual would be stupid, because I think changing any character's sexual orientation to placate a group of people halfway through a series is stupid, and why I reject it with Kaidan.
The difference between us is that I don't hypocritically support one thing I object to in another because the former promotes something that I personally like or want.
I never mentioned evils of gay sex, and am not represented in 99.99% of games. It helps knowing who you're talking to and reading comments prior to responding and having some silly meltdown because someone challenged your opinion.
Didn't claim you were a SJW, as established by the fact I said "All these SJW dorks would be flooding the internet" and not "All you SJW dorks would be flooding the internet".
See above about reading someone's comment before you respond.
In terms of Dorian I think we can be quite sure he's gay. His writer said so before the game was even out and his personal quest is his family not approving him wanting to marry girl. I don't think Dorian is good example for you to use, he's established as gay character.
Kaidan's bisexuality is likely just added in ME3, but that makes it canon. He's written that way in ME3 so it's canon even if it's new canon or arguably retcon- arguably, cause it doesn't change anything really about his character, there is nth that outright fights against him being bisexual in canon. It's kinda like romance with Garrus, he's not into you in ME1 nor talks about being into humans, but you can romance him in ME2.
Also this kinda thing happens a lot with older characters- especially on comic side. The reason is likely cause they couldn't or weren't bold enough to do that in the past so now they have to catch up. I don't think there is much sense fighting against more diverse characters even if it meant slight retcons- I see it more of add-on for the character myself. Though I guess it could be argued that just making new more diverse characters would be better option.
I have to wonder what makes you this passionate about Kaidan's case in particularly, why does him being available to gay romance in ME3 matter? Or is it just principle.
I can't say I like the "change of heart" in characters perceived as straight ending up with "surprise! I'm BI!". I prefer them having their sexuality clear from the start (or totally unclear until they became romancable). But I hope there will not be anymore characters that are romancable only by one gender to became available in later games from everyone. Is just my preference, and mostly because I find myself feeling like Kaidan bisexuality is some kind of a expedient to have two choices for M/M romances.
I have to admit I care little about any kind of gender related restriction in romance. If there is a good gay male LI, I'm going to create a male character, end of the problem.
Actually, he and Ashley were meant to be bisexual in ME1, too.
And Han Solo was meant to be black.
Actually, he and Ashley were meant to be bisexual in ME1, too.
Ashley I didn't know, actually. I always heard about Kaidan. (would have been better make him open for M/M from the start.)
In terms of Dorian I think we can be quite sure he's gay. His writer said so before the game was even out and his personal quest is his family not approving him wanting to marry girl. I don't think Dorian is good example for you to use, he's established as gay character.
Kaidan's bisexuality is likely just added in ME3, but that makes it canon. He's written that way in ME3 so it's canon even if it's new canon or arguably retcon- arguably, cause it doesn't change anything really about his character, there is nth that outright fights against him being bisexual in canon. It's kinda like romance with Garrus, he's not into you in ME1 nor talks about being into humans, but you can romance him in ME2.
Also this kinda thing happens a lot with older characters- especially on comic side. The reason is likely cause they couldn't or weren't bold enough to do that in the past so now they have to catch up. I don't think there is much sense fighting against more diverse characters even if it meant slight retcons- I see it more of add-on for the character myself. Though I guess it could be argued that just making new more diverse characters would be better option.
I have to wonder what makes you this passionate about Kaidan's case in particularly, why does him being available to gay romance in ME3 matter? Or is it just principle.
Dorian is a perfect example because all it took was for me to use the same argument somebody used in favor of Kaidan being bi and mention Dorian being turned bi and I immediately got a rage response full of untruths complete with upvotes from the usual suspects, which proved my earlier claim that people (at least in/reading this thread) are apparently only fine with changing established sexual orientations when it's in favor of their personal agenda or what they like, which is hypocritical bullshit.
I think making Dorian bisexual would be ludicrous, like trying to claim a heterosexual man suddenly being interested in other men sexually is ludicrous.
I acknowledge your point, but I disagree because I reject any claim that he's bisexual in ME3. Kaidan's supposed bisexuality is never acknowledged anywhere outside Bro Shep, is out of character, and not even introduced or established anywhere within the story to the degree it doesn't exist at all for FemShep.
Kaidan's M/M romance is a developer provided mod and fan fiction, and at it's absolute best proves he's potentially playersexual for a gay Bro Shep. Other posters in this thread have made similar observations but got less heat for it, I guess because they used a softer touch whilst I prefer to ride roughshod.
I hear you, but personally I'm far more in favor of making new characters if you want to diversify your cast unless you're dealing with a character who doesn't have any established canon that conflicts with what you're trying to add.
Honestly it's a mix of principle and I'm especially passionate about Kaidan I'm a nerd and he's my favorite character BW ever made, has arguably my favorite romance story of any franchise, and is the exemplar of qualities I find find attractive in men, and I strongly dislike the idea of his character being used as a device for BW to try and shut up their gay fans with some funky playersexual M/M romance. Just like I'd hope Dorian / Solas / Alistair / Miranda / Ashley / Garrus / Tali / Steve / whoever / fans would be equally upset if they suddenly had a playersexual romance with a gender outside their sexual orientation in order to fill a quota or silence a disgruntled minority group.
Actually, he and Ashley were meant to be bisexual in ME1, too.
I was meant to have blue eyes, but they ended up green and nobody tries to say that my eyes are blue.
Ashley I didn't know, actually. I always heard about Kaidan. (would have been better make him open for M/M from the start.)
Wouldn't that have made things easier.
Actually, he and Ashley were meant to be bisexual in ME1, too.
And Han Solo was meant to be black.
Actually, Han Solo was meant to be a big green lizard man.
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