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[Battlebloodmage]

I just saw a video of Hancock's romance, he's surprisingly quite a sweet guy/ghoul LOL.

I prefer Danse, who is a Kuudere. Hancock is such a bad boy though, and he's a confirmed bisexual. Sometimes, when you visit settlements, guys and girls will come up to Hancock talking about their hook up with Hancock. That is what I would like to see more in bisexual characters in Bioware games, especially the guys, talking about their same sex attraction more. Otherwise, it would make it seems like they're straight with exception for you. 

[Jedi Comedian]

I prefer Danse, who is a Kuudere. Hancock is such a bad boy though, and he's a confirmed bisexual. Sometimes, when you visit settlements, guys and girls will come up to Hancock talking about their hook up with Hancock. That is what I would like to see more in bisexual characters in Bioware games, especially the guys, talking about their same sex attraction more. Otherwise, it would make it seems like they're straight with exception for you.

Yeah, another Sky is the last thing I want.

[Panda]

They could always have the LIs be different orientations that just happen to allow attraction to both male and female. So instead of 4 bisexuals you can have say 2 bisexuals, 1 pansexual, 1 demisexual, or something. 

 

That's true though in that case I'd like the differences be visible like them expressing their attraction differently.

 

Still, what do people feel about an all male alien race anyway? I feel like it would be a really good idea for them to try out and provide a foil to the last series. It may be too late for them to include anything right now, but it would have been cool if they had though. All male alien race existed in many other fictions. They could either be gay or bisexual like Liara as well for the first game.

 

I'm worried that it would come out too fanservicey. Cause Asaris are pretty fanservicey, their whole purpose in the game in the beginning was to be sexy alien babes for male players. I think their race became more in the end, but I wonder if writers could really do sth better with all male race.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's true though in that case I'd like the differences be visible like them expressing their attraction differently.

I agree. In which ways do you think they should be visibly different? 

[Battlebloodmage]

That's true though in that case I'd like the differences be visible like them expressing their attraction differently.

 

 

I'm worried that it would come out too fanservicey. Cause Asaris are pretty fanservicey, their whole purpose in the game in the beginning was to be sexy alien babes for male players. I think their race became more in the end, but I wonder if writers could really do sth better with all male race.

Well, Thane was created specifically to appeal to women while Asari was created to appeal to straight males. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of fanservice in it, but in trying to avoid the sex appeal, we could get into a whole bunch of people accusing Bioware of trying to be SJW like how they see Cassandra and Josephine as ugly (Cassandra is my canon romance, so it's not what I'm saying but the stuffs I read) and not sexy like Triss or Yen. People will complain no matter what, to be honest. They should just create a "cool" race. If they have an all male race like if they had said Qunari was an all-male race, would the race has been seen as fanservice with the bulging muscles? I feel like people would still complain no matter what the developer do. If they want to make an all male race, just make the codex about the interesting and appealing. I see it as more of a foil for the Asari since it's being a reboot and all.

[Panda]

I agree. In which ways do you think they should be visibly different? 

 

Hmm, I'm not completely sure what would be best way to implement it. Downright, "I'm pan/demisexual" would not likely be good choice, but probably demisexual that wouldn't flirt back to you until they get to know you better and fall in love and pansexual expressing attraction that is not tied to gender. It's just that although it was cool to get pansexual character with Iron Bull in DAI, I think you pretty much need Weekes message about him being pansexual to know what his sexuality is so it's bit metagaming there and I have seen many people refer him as bisexual so I'd like them to avoid that if possible.

 

Well, Thane was created specifically to appeal to women while Asari was created to appeal to straight males. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of fanservice in it, but in trying to avoid the sex appeal, we could get into a whole bunch of people accusing Bioware of trying to be SJW like how they see Cassandra and Josephine as ugly (Cassandra is my canon romance, so it's not what I'm saying but the stuffs I read) and not sexy like Triss or Yen. People will complain no matter what, to be honest. They should just create a "cool" race. If they have an all male race like if they had said Qunari was an all-male race, would the race has been seen as fanservice with the bulging muscles? I feel like people would still complain no matter what the developer do. If they want to make an all male race, just make the codex about the interesting and appealing. I see it as more of a foil for the Asari since it's being a reboot and all.

 

It depends how they do it I guess. Drell were pretty great for fanservice race cause the fanservice part didn't really show in the games, but Asari were coded very fanservicey which was cringy at times. I wonder how Bioware could make all-male-race work in way that gave them interesting and believable society and didn't reduce them to alien hunks.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hmm, I'm not completely sure what would be best way to implement it. Downright, "I'm pan/demisexual" would not likely be good choice, but probably demisexual that wouldn't flirt back to you until they get to know you better and fall in love and pansexual expressing attraction that is not tied to gender. It's just that although it was cool to get pansexual character with Iron Bull in DAI, I think you pretty much need Weekes message about him being pansexual to know what his sexuality is so it's bit metagaming there and I have seen many people refer him as bisexual so I'd like them to avoid that if possible.

For bisexuals, I think one should be very open about their sexuality. Not necessarily to the levels of being promiscuous or anything, but just openly expressing attraction with things like flirts. The other would be more introverted, having a few signs of attraction to either gender but not as open as the other one. With demisexual, maybe someone who doesn't get flirts or makes them shy/uncomfortable, and only ever shows attraction to you as a person after you and they develop a deep bond already. With pansexual, maybe between the two bisexuals in terms of openness and someone who responds to flirts and shows attraction not only to male and female but also aliens so it's more than just gender. 

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

All LI's having same sexuality, bi or player, depending how you want to look at it, is probably easiest way to do LI's and it's not wonder that lot of games do that already. But I don't think it shows diversity of people, I think squad where everyone has different attributes- sexuality being one- is more defined than one where sexuality is all same and doesn't come up at all. So for this reason I'm more in side of different sexualities for LI's although I don't mind all same that much even if it sometimes goes more into playersexuality at times like in Saint Row Pierce says that: "I normally don't swing that way, but **** it, I'm down" to both gender of main characters. Like doesn't he swing in anyway? ^^;

 

I think a way to mitigate this - building on Gothfather's point - would be to have squadmates who aren't straight but can't be romanced. Say we have four bi LIs, another sqaudmate could be gay but is unromanceable. We already have a bunch of presumed straight squadmates over many games that aren't LIs, why not some queer ones? 

 

I don't know, I've been thinking that when we talk about squadmate sexuality, it's often in relation to who the player can romance and I think it'd be cool if we could maybe move a bit away from that.

 

 

I'm worried that it would come out too fanservicey. Cause Asaris are pretty fanservicey, their whole purpose in the game in the beginning was to be sexy alien babes for male players. I think their race became more in the end, but I wonder if writers could really do sth better with all male race.

 

 

Considering that the primarily male character designers were uncomfortable with a shirtless Thane, I don't think there's much worry about an all male race being fancervicey   Though I can understand the concern.

 

On a personal note, distinctiveness will almost always beat attractiveness or me. So I too hope that if there's an all male race, overt fanservice - in the same vein as the Asari anyway -  won't be the first thing on BioWare's mind when designing them.

[odekia]

I'd like to romance a really quirky, maybe a bit simple character, not necessarily traditionally attractive character. Someone like Wrex or Grunt(except y know an adult) would be nice, but I think to others it would just be a joke

Something like having an alien character with low social skills doing something extremely cliched like giving you flowers to show their interest because the extra net said humans like flowers. Or giving you a still beating heart of your enemy.

So alien romance for the win! It would nice if there was a weird cute gaylien romance, but I would be happy with gaylien more traditional romance too and weird cute straight romance too but somehow I doubt any of this will happen...

It could be nice to have an alien that is straight/gay with their own species, but bi/pan with humans. It could be a chance to explore thebtopic a bit. But in the end if a person has preferences to either female or male characterics as they are viewed in human culture I quess it is logical that they would find those same qualities attractive in a partner regardless of species.

It would also be interesting to explore a society where reproduction has nothing to do with relationships. Best genes would be selected from individuals and babies made. When you want to start a family with your spouse you would "adopt" a baby.

[SKAR]

Fallout 4 allows you to romance robots, a corpse, and even incest. They don't really discriminate when it comes to relationship. lol

yeah but their romances aren't as "advanced" as bioware's. Fallout is a good game series but if they have you romancing robots and corpses, they're appealing to a lot of nerds.with some weird fetishes.

[Panda]

yeah but their romances aren't as "advanced" as bioware's. Fallout is a good game series but if they have you romancing robots and corpses, they're appealing to a lot of nerds.with some weird fetishes.

 

Well you aren't exactly romancing dead body or C2PO there, I think corpse refers ghouls (Hancock) that although not quite human anymore aren't dead and robots (Danse and Curie) synthetic humans and Als. It's not that weird in the end when everyone pretty much behaves like humans and looks like humans as well.

[Jedi Comedian]

yeah but their romances aren't as "advanced" as bioware's. Fallout is a good game series but if they have you romancing robots and corpses, they're appealing to a lot of nerds.with some weird fetishes.

I hope they were made romanceable 'cause they're interesting chars, and not to please fetishists.
Anyway, if F4's PC can bed Hancock then I guess he still has flesh where it counts. LMFAO.

[Battlebloodmage]

yeah but their romances aren't as "advanced" as bioware's. Fallout is a good game series but if they have you romancing robots and corpses, they're appealing to a lot of nerds.with some weird fetishes.

That I have to agree on the "advanced" part, I wish they would have added a hug animation for their companions though, there are instances where you just want to give the LI a hug or something like with Cait when she talked about her parents raised her to sell her to slavers or Danse after finding out he's a robot, but I'm expecting for the modders to fix it. Half the fun for Fallout 4 is the mod anyway.

 

In ME4, I want gay alien just because of the romantic relationship in space, a different culture. It's just like a cross cultural perspective of the romance that make it interesting. Something I would have liked to see is that the alien may be gay or straight but bisexual toward you because they can't distinct the gender aesthetically when it comes to humans. 

[-leadintea-]

Controversial opinion ahead, but I'd much rather have set sexualities than all LIs being bi like in DAII. I'd prefer that each LI have their own distinct sexuality, rather than just having them be bi for the sake of convenience. However, I do have to say that I really like the above idea for a bi alien romance. The alien could have a sexual preference for their own species, but view humans as pretty similar sexual-wise to not really care about who they romance/hookup with.

[LiaraShepard]

Controversial opinion ahead, but I'd much rather have set sexualities than all LIs being bi like in DAII. I'd prefer that each LI have their own distinct sexuality, rather than just having them be bi for the sake of convenience. However, I do have to say that I really like the above idea for a bi alien romance. The alien could have a sexual preference for their own species, but view humans as pretty similar sexual-wise to not really care about who they romance/hookup with.

 

Only if the story relevant options aren't always the straight ones...and to be honest, if we have different sexualities that's nearly always the case. That's why I actuall prefer bisexual options.

[-leadintea-]

Only if the story relevant options aren't always the straight ones...and to be honest, if we have different sexualities that's nearly always the case. That's why I actuall prefer bisexual options.

 

Not sure about ME, but I'm pretty sure the next DA will definitely have more story important LGBT characters since the DA crew seems to care more about equal rights than the ME crew does. Besides, it doesn't really matter to me if the story important character is straight or a bi who only shows interest in the opposite sex save for the PC - they're essentially the same thing in my eyes. I'd rather have gay side characters than bisexuals like that.

[LiaraShepard]

Nah, I don't want side characters all over again...I don't feel the same with them as with characters who are more integrated to the story plot. : / I always envied straight females for having Solas as an option and I envied straight males for having morrigan...the only romance, that was really meaningful in my eyes, was with anders...and I have the bad feeling if they give us different sexualities, that I will envy straight males or females again, because their romances will tend to be more integrated to the story. I'd rather have a bisexual companion, who's more straight than bi but story relevant than a bisexual companion who's, lets say, more gay than bi, but unimportant to the main story and just a side kick again....  

[Heathen Oxman]

I prefer Danse, who is a Kuudere. Hancock is such a bad boy though, and he's a confirmed bisexual. Sometimes, when you visit settlements, guys and girls will come up to Hancock talking about their hook up with Hancock. That is what I would like to see more in bisexual characters in Bioware games, especially the guys, talking about their same sex attraction more. Otherwise, it would make it seems like they're straight with exception for you. 

 

Boffing Hancock???

 

Necrophilia???

 

Ew.

[Jedi Comedian]

Boffing Hancock???

Necrophilia???

Ew.

Well, he's technically alive, as he's a walking, talking corpse...
...but yeah it's still gross to imagine him with the MC

[Biotic Apostate]

Not sure about ME, but I'm pretty sure the next DA will definitely have more story important LGBT characters since the DA crew seems to care more about equal rights than the ME crew does. Besides, it doesn't really matter to me if the story important character is straight or a bi who only shows interest in the opposite sex save for the PC - they're essentially the same thing in my eyes. I'd rather have gay side characters than bisexuals like that.

Aside from Mac Walters, Yanick Roy, and Jos Hendriks, most of the devs from BW Montreal are new ( + some people from the DA team). That studio mostly helped out with ME3MP, and some ME2, ME3, and DAI DLCs. We don't actually know how their work will stack up compared to DAI, since they've yet to release a full game developed by them.

 

But judging by the fact that Manveer Heir (who's passionately speaking out against sexism, racism, and homophobia in video games, and campaigning for more diversity) is in a way representing BW Montreal, I'm guessing we'll have a quite different atmosphere than that around the original trilogy (I'm still slightly irritated by 'Shepard can be anyone you want, except a gay man'). Both EA and BW changed since 2012, having more important LGBT characters is encouraged on the level of both the studio and the publisher. So maybe this time we'll get a bisexual guy, who's more into guys, or a gay alien, who's crucial to the story.

 

The new IP, on the other hand? That I'm slightly concerned about. But I'm not going to worry about that just yet.

[Dalinne]

I just saw a video of Hancock's romance, he's surprisingly quite a sweet guy/ghoul LOL.

He is the best. I fall in love which that type of character who will die to save others or stab in the back the guy who shakedowns newcomers    

[Shechinah]

Boffing Hancock???

 

Necrophilia???

 

Ew.

 

It's not necrophilia.  Besides, ghouls are horribly disfigured by radiation: they are not corpses come back to life. Feral ghouls exhibit behavior similar to zombies but that is not because they are zombies: it is because their brains have deteriorated by their condition to such a degree that most of them are left with only basic thoughts such as feed, hide and flail.
 

[Shechinah]

Well, he's technically alive, as he's a walking, talking corpse...
...but yeah it's still gross to imagine him with the MC

 

Ableist 
 

[Battlebloodmage]

It's not necrophilia.  Besides, ghouls are horribly disfigured by radiation: they are not corpses come back to life. Feral ghouls exhibit behavior similar to zombies but that is not because they are zombies: it is because their brains have deteriorated by their condition to such a degree that most of them are left with only basic thoughts such as feed, hide and flail.
 

They did also say that ghouls have horrible smell. Glowing ghouls can actually bring other ghouls back to life. It's a pretty big hurdle to be with someone that smell like a corpse and look like a corpse. I roleplay as myself too much to be able to be with a ghoul. I see people said that they wouldn't be able to be with a ghoul in real life but they could in the game. I can see that, but actions I wouldn't take in real life, i wouldn't do in video games. I can see the appeal of Hancock in term of personality, so nothing against people who want to romance them. Good for them.

[Jedi Comedian]

They did also say that ghouls have horrible smell. Glowing ghouls can actually bring other ghouls back to life. It's a pretty big hurdle to be with someone that smell like a corpse and look like a corpse. I roleplay as myself too much to be able to be with a ghoul. I see people said that they wouldn't be able to be with a ghoul in real life but they could in the game. I can see that, but actions I wouldn't take in real life, i wouldn't do in video games. I can see the appeal of Hancock in term of personality, so nothing against people who want to romance them. Good for them.

I tend to do in games tons of stuff I'd NEVER, EVER do IRL, such as a Hancock romance. When a character is interesting I overlook his/her appearance, like I did with Fenris in DA2. When I want looks I'll romance Cait.