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#976
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Gay romance probabilities should be limited. I m tired of seeing minorities imposed to the others or forced. About this theme or anything else.

Even read something lately about Disney being forced/pressed to include gay characters on the upcoming films.

If you (Bioware) want to make the "hero" gay available, i have nothing against but it is ridiculous to turn all other characters possible gay too, because of that.

90 percent of girls like boys...same to the boys i  guess. Or something like that.

We all now understand that, there is no wrong about sexual preferences. Each individual is as it is. Love is Universal and open to all.

So, it is time by now of stopping this nonsense because i think TPTB are exaggerating. We all have understood the message by this time.

There is no wrong on being Gay.

Bioware's given you the option to play as a gay protagonist since Jade Empire back in 2003, they're not exactly doing anything new. And nobody's forcing you to romance gay characters. And I'm sorry, it just bugs me when people talk about things being 'forced'. Was Vivienne 'forced' into Dragon Age just to be inclusive to Black people or to be PC? I don't see the problem.

 

It's got nothing to do with being politically correct or trying to send a message. Bioware has a large LGBT fanbase, why wouldn't they want to add in romances that appeal to a big part of their fanbase?


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Bioware's given you the option to play as a gay protagonist since Jade Empire back in 2003, they're not exactly doing anything new. And nobody's forcing you to romance gay characters. And I'm sorry, it just bugs me when people talk about things being 'forced'. Was Vivienne 'forced' into Dragon Age just to be inclusive to Black people or to be PC? I don't see the problem.

It's got nothing to do with being politically correct or trying to send a message. Bioware has a large LGBT fanbase, why wouldn't they want to add in romances that appeal to a big part of their fanbase?

Look at Spartacus, they have gay characters and they're not exactly PC. I wish DAI would've been more like that though (I mean, edgy/dark/extremely adult).

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Seriously, I find it ridiculous that these non-human LIs use gender as the hurdle they're not willing to cross - something about Shepard's personality is attractive to them regardless, since Shepard's a human, Tali and Garrus both have an entirely different DNA base, and no matter how it works, because both parties are different species, the... "equipment" won't be a match... But apparently, because Shepard is identifying as a particular gender, they won't cross THAT line? It makes no sense to me.

 

So yes, bring on the alien LIs for either gender PC!

 

Basically this. I never understood how you could apply LGB standards to a completely different species. By definition you'll literally never be the same sex because none of your junk will ever match. Its hard to imagine aliens could base attraction on anything other than personality and maybe aesthetic attraction, but drawing the line at supposed gender parallels seems ridiculous at a practical level.



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Basically this. I never understood how you could apply LGB standards to a completely different species. By definition you'll literally never be the same sex because none of your junk will ever match. Its hard to imagine aliens could base attraction on anything other than personality and maybe aesthetic attraction, but drawing the line at supposed gender parallels seems ridiculous at a practical level.

I guess it's just ended up being about Kaidan who is a way safer option than Garrus, those who have problems with him in the new game could avoid recruit him and most of the people killed him off and he's one of the least popular character. If they make Garrus who most people save, and popular to everyone bi, there would be so much backlash about their "bro" is now "forcing" them into a relationship. Seriously, Dorian doesn't even hit on the players, and I saw a bunch of people talk about how Dorian keeps hitting on them. I love Kaidan, and I'm happy with the option, but between Kaidan and Garrus, Kaidan would be a way safer option to implement since most people kill him. Between saving a guy and a girl, most people would tend to choose to save a girl, so he's dead in most of people's gameplay. 

 

It just doesn't make sense that alien races that don't find humans attractive and have different aesthetic sense and whatnot would stop at gender, when the way the humans look wouldn't make a difference to them. This series is targeted to straight male gamers (It's not a bad thing if that's what they aimed for, since it's all about sales at the end of the day, just say it before anyone jumps at my throat and yell SJW). The Asari race, male Shep gets the default model face, have the most LIs, all of their LIs can stay alive, using bisexual females aiming at straight guys, Jack who slept with men and women before but only available to men, no gay males until many people complained, the subpar effort with bi Kaidan which is basically an inferior version from femShep. It's interesting how gay Kaidan is being used in almost every video where EA wanted to show gay relationships in their game when it's basically just an inferior femShep. It would make more sense to use Steve when at least they make actual content for maleShep as opposed to cutting out contents from a reskin femShep. 

 

Anyway, even with that being said, I feel like the series is now trying to appeal to a broader range of audience. They use femShep to sign off the game, which I guess is an effort to show that they care about femShep after the backlash from female gamers in regard to how femShep was treated. I'm not gonna judge the next ME game based on the trilogy. I feel like they are becoming more understanding now, and maybe the game will have options that everyone can enjoy. ME is actually one of my favorite series, so I guess I'm more critical toward the game because I actually want the game to success and everyone can enjoy it. 



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Did any one say ghoul romance? Well it's not gonna go down like you think but I'd advice you stock up on some rad-x and rad-away. 

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wow that was intense.


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My ****** eyes!!!!! What the **** did I just see!!!

That my man, is how art gets made.

 

wow that was intense.

 

Well when the escort services said she was radiant beauty, they meant it quite literally!

 

 

I should go..

 

Edit: Hmm got reported, someone's wittle feelings got hurt! What I find silly is that this is a forum for a mature rated game which has violence, nudity, sex and blood, yet people are getting reported and warned for really childish stuff like using the f word and so on. Biovar pls!


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I guess it's just ended up being about Kaidan who is a way safer option than Garrus, those who have problems with him in the new game could avoid recruit him and most of the people killed him off and he's one of the least popular character. If they make Garrus who most people save, and popular to everyone bi, there would be so much backlash about their "bro" is now "forcing" them into a relationship. Seriously, Dorian doesn't even hit on the players, and I saw a bunch of people talk about how Dorian keeps hitting on them. I love Kaidan, and I'm happy with the option, but between Kaidan and Garrus, Kaidan would be a way safer option to implement since most people kill him. Between saving a guy and a girl, most people would tend to choose to save a girl, so he's dead in most of people's gameplay. 

 

It just doesn't make sense that alien races that don't find humans attractive and have different aesthetic sense and whatnot would stop at gender, when the way the humans look wouldn't make a difference to them. This series is targeted to straight male gamers (It's not a bad thing if that's what they aimed for, since it's all about sales at the end of the day, just say it before anyone jumps at my throat and yell SJW). The Asari race, male Shep gets the default model face, have the most LIs, all of their LIs can stay alive, using bisexual females aiming at straight guys, Jack who slept with men and women before but only available to men, no gay males until many people complained, the subpar effort with bi Kaidan which is basically an inferior version from femShep. It's interesting how gay Kaidan is being used in almost every video where EA wanted to show gay relationships in their game when it's basically just an inferior femShep. It would make more sense to use Steve when at least they make actual content for maleShep as opposed to cutting out contents from a reskin femShep. 

 

Anyway, even with that being said, I feel like the series is now trying to appeal to a broader range of audience. They use femShep to sign off the game, which I guess is an effort to show that they care about femShep after the backlash from female gamers in regard to how femShep was treated. I'm not gonna judge the next ME game based on the trilogy. I feel like they are becoming more understanding now, and maybe the game will have options that everyone can enjoy. ME is actually one of my favorite series, so I guess I'm more critical toward the game because I actually want the game to success and everyone can enjoy it. 

 

Although I agree with you in several points, I don't think they didn't make Garrus bisexual for the backlash. Simply, they didn't believe he will be a romance option so popular by far among femSheps (because he is an alien and he has no lips... hahahaha¬¬ that's why you can see he has the shortest romance content in the second game, while in the third, when they did give a damn they treated the relationship seriously). I think is a pity. Garrus and Tali could be perfectly bisexuals. Hell, JACK is bisexual!

 

I don't understand what you mean by saying Kaidan is basically an inferior Femshep o.O


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I don't understand what you mean by saying Kaidan is basically an inferior Femshep o.O

 

Some people weren't happy with Kaidan's romance for Male Shepards in ME3 because it was the exact same for Femshep's (starting with ME3 or continued from the other two games, I'm not sure) but also there was content exclusive to FemShep's and Kaidan romances that wasn't included in Kaidan's romance for Male Shepards. 

 

I personally liked the romance for Kaidan and MaleShep. Others have posted before on this thread that everyone who liked Kaidan and MaleShep's romance shouldn't cause we should all demand more from BioWare. Others can if they want. I was happy for the romance in ME3 as well as the inclusion of Steve as well. I don't feel the need to demand more from BioWare for Mass Effect Andromeda per se, as long as there is a well written option for gay male protagonists, whether human or alien, I'll be happy.


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I'm assuming GayAlien romance is alien only. So, I think ME had none so far...? Liara is technically genderless.

Would be something new, I guess.

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Some people weren't happy with Kaidan's romance for Male Shepards in ME3 because it was the exact same for Femshep's (starting with ME3 or continued from the other two games, I'm not sure) but also there was content exclusive to FemShep's and Kaidan romances that wasn't included in Kaidan's romance for Male Shepards. 

 

I personally liked the romance for Kaidan and MaleShep. Others have posted before on this thread that everyone who liked Kaidan and MaleShep's romance shouldn't cause we should all demand more from BioWare. Others can if they want. I was happy for the romance in ME3 as well as the inclusion of Steve as well. I don't feel the need to demand more from BioWare for Mass Effect Andromeda per se, as long as there is a well written option for gay male protagonists, whether human or alien, I'll be happy.

 

Ah, now I get it, thanks ;)

Well, I like far more maleShep's romance with Kaidan than with femshep, but I didn't know about the content exclusive for Femshep :(


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I'm assuming GayAlien romance is alien only. So, I think ME had none so far...? Liara is technically genderless.

Would be something new, I guess.

Well, I'd say Liara counts as a bi female alien, but we've never had yet a bi male alien or a monosexual alien same-sex LI of neither gender.
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Ah, now I get it, thanks ;)
Well, I like far more maleShep's romance with Kaidan than with femshep, but I didn't know about the content exclusive for Femshep :(

Sheploo and Kaidan were meant to be together. And forget what people say.
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Sure thing.

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Sheploo and Kaidan were meant to be together. And forget what people say.

 

That's the impression I had the first I played MaleShep :wub:



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Sheploo and Kaidan were meant to be together. And forget what people say.

 

:wub: I agree wholeheartedly but...

 

:ph34r:

 

Going by previous posts on this thread, that seems to be a dangerous comment to make... 

 

*ducks down for cover*


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:wub: I agree wholeheartedly but...

 

:ph34r:

 

Going by previous posts on this thread, that seems to be a dangerous comment to make... 

 

*ducks down for cover*

Most people like Kaidan romance actually, a lot of them were just annoyed due to the unfair treatment maleShep receive with Kaidan. It would be a lot nicer if they bother to include or make alternate scenes for maleShep when they remove femShep scenes for whatever reasons. I don't understand why Kaidan can't put maleShep's arm around his cheek or why maleShep can't get on top of Kaidan. Gay romance tends to lack the romance part in general. Most of the people who do a m/m maleShep chooses Kaidan instead of Steve for various. It wouldn't be a dangerous comment. People are just disappointed in general about the difference in treatment between maleShep and femShep Kaidan because they love the romance so much. If they don't care, it wouldn't have matter. 


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:wub: I agree wholeheartedly but...

:ph34r:

Going by previous posts on this thread, that seems to be a dangerous comment to make...

*ducks down for cover*

In ME2 Kaidan says to Shepard "Losing you was like loosing a limb".

What particular "limb" could he be refering to???????
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Most people like Kaidan romance actually, a lot of them were just annoyed due to the unfair treatment maleShep receive with Kaidan. It would be a lot nicer if they bother to include or make alternate scenes for maleShep when they remove femShep scenes for whatever reasons. I don't understand why Kaidan can't put maleShep's arm around his cheek or why maleShep can't get on top of Kaidan. Gay romance tends to lack the romance part in general. Most of the people who do a m/m maleShep chooses Kaidan instead of Steve for various. It wouldn't be a dangerous comment. People are just disappointed in general about the difference in treatment between maleShep and femShep Kaidan because they love the romance so much. If they don't care, it wouldn't have matter. 

 

I was more referring to some people who are fiercely protective of there FemShep and Kaidan romances, and even the idea of there being in existence a playthrough where Kaidan bunks down with MaleShep is like burning arrows shot directly at their headcanons. 

 

It's fine to value and love your FemShep and Kaidan romance, but I didn't like it when I was being criticized for liking my MaleShep and Kaidan romance. I don't like it anytime when someone says "I played the game wrong" for having my MaleShep romance Kaidan.

 

In ME2 Kaidan says to Shepard "Losing you was like loosing a limb".

What particular "limb" could he be refering to???????

 

I'm sure there's a fanfic.


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^ I read one a few months ago called Sentinel, in which Shep and Kaidan are a couple since ME1... and then it turns into one of those Rivalmances I like so much. Good read.
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I was more referring to some people who are fiercely protective of there FemShep and Kaidan romances, and even the idea of there being in existence a playthrough where Kaidan bunks down with MaleShep is like burning arrows shot directly at their headcanons. 

 

It's fine to value and love your FemShep and Kaidan romance, but I didn't like it when I was being criticized for liking my MaleShep and Kaidan romance. I don't like it anytime when someone says "I played the game wrong" for having my MaleShep romance Kaidan.

 

 

I'm sure there's a fanfic.

Well, Kaidan is more unpopular, considering he died in most people playthrough so he wouldn't exist in most people's playthroughs, and Garrus is more popular with both the guys and the girls. Now imagine if Garrus was the bi option instead, there would be more people protesting from both gender, the girls mainly because now their guy is playing baseball with another guy and the guys because their bro is now hitting on them. This is why Garrus couldn't be gay, despite belong to an alien race that generally doesn't find humans to be sexually appealing based on their aesthetic taste. It would be too much backlash. IMO, Dragon Age team is worrying too much about offending minority people like not making Solas bi because it may become deprived bisexual while Mass Effect team is worrying too much about offending the majority. They're both afraid of offending people albeit for different reasons. 


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^ I read one a few months ago called Sentinel, in which Shep and Kaidan are a couple since ME1... and then it turns into one of those Rivalmances I like so much. Good read.

Racist ME1 Kaidan is best Kaidan. j/k (It was actually nice we could influence how certain characters' opinions change like with Ashley who could be less xenophobic or Kaidan who is more xenophobic. It makes the characters feel more alive in a sense. ME3 could benefit more from Roleplaying choices). It would have been nice if their personality would actually carry over in other games. None of the DA or ME were actually about to accomplish this for the characters being carried over, a ruthless Lelianna should remain ruthless. They should add an option to carry over whether or not we change the companion's opinion, like Kaidan's opinion on aliens if ME5 rolls around. 



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Well, Kaidan is more unpopular, considering he died in most people playthrough so he wouldn't exist in most people's playthroughs, and Garrus is more popular with both the guys and the girls. Now imagine if Garrus was the bi option instead, there would be more people protesting from both gender, the girls mainly because now their guy is playing baseball with another guy and the guys because their bro is now hitting on them. This is why Garrus couldn't be gay, despite belong to an alien race that generally doesn't find humans to be sexually appealing based on their aesthetic taste. It would be too much backlash. IMO, Dragon Age team is worrying too much about offending minority people like not making Solas bi because it may become deprived bisexual while Mass Effect team is worrying too much about offending the majority. They're both afraid of offending people albeit for different reasons. 

 

Well I think it's a given now that there is going to be backlash, and people are going to be offended no matter what you choose to implement in your game. 

 

That said, I'd hope that BioWare has enough experience and knowledge of their fanbase to not feel like they have to sidestep these issues any more. Progress should not be impeded by angry and raging fanboys and fangirls not getting there romance just right as a substitute for a lack of real life romantic interaction. 



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Racist ME1 Kaidan is best Kaidan. j/k It would have been nice if their personality would actually carry over in other games. None of the DA or ME were actually about to accomplish this for the characters being carried over, a ruthless Lelianna should remain ruthless. They should add an option to carry over whether or not we change the companion's opinion, like Kaidan's opinion on aliens. 

 

Kaidan wasn't racist in ME1? Unless your referring to the fanfic.



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Kaidan wasn't racist in ME1? Unless your referring to the fanfic.

You could convince Kaidan to become more racist toward aliens, and he said some pretty mean things, too. 


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