You could convince Kaidan to become more racist toward aliens, and he said some pretty mean things, too.
Wow, had no idea you could do that.
Then, I guess since you can make Ash less racist, it sort of makes sense for there to be an option to make Kaidan racist.
Can't say I could get used to the idea of Kaidan being mean myself lol just awkward and insensitive, like his comment in the elevator about krogans to Wrex
Not everyone has to like aliens. I'm no fan of racists but Ashley's attitude toward aliens made her feel more like a real person. And she had no problem working with them. She was pretty chill with garrus.Wow, had no idea you could do that.
Then, I guess since you can make Ash less racist, it sort of makes sense for there to be an option to make Kaidan racist.
Can't say I could get used to the idea of Kaidan being mean myself lol just awkward and insensitive, like his comment in the elevator about krogans to Wrex
I was more referring to some people who are fiercely protective of there FemShep and Kaidan romances, and even the idea of there being in existence a playthrough where Kaidan bunks down with MaleShep is like burning arrows shot directly at their headcanons.
It's fine to value and love your FemShep and Kaidan romance, but I didn't like it when I was being criticized for liking my MaleShep and Kaidan romance. I don't like it anytime when someone says "I played the game wrong" for having my MaleShep romance Kaidan.
I'm sure there's a fanfic.
Well, Kaidan is more unpopular, considering he died in most people playthrough so he wouldn't exist in most people's playthroughs, and Garrus is more popular with both the guys and the girls. Now imagine if Garrus was the bi option instead, there would be more people protesting from both gender, the girls mainly because now their guy is playing baseball with another guy and the guys because their bro is now hitting on them. This is why Garrus couldn't be gay, despite belong to an alien race that generally doesn't find humans to be sexually appealing based on their aesthetic taste. It would be too much backlash. IMO, Dragon Age team is worrying too much about offending minority people like not making Solas bi because it may become deprived bisexual while Mass Effect team is worrying too much about offending the majority. They're both afraid of offending people albeit for different reasons.
I can't understand what's the problem people has against bisexuals 
I don't know if it is a dick fixation or what. In the case of bisexual girls, I got the impression society sees us as we can't have a real relationship with a woman (because the dick is the ending) and in the case of bisexual dudes, they are percieved as gays who don't really came out (because the dick is the true ending too). It's like... come on, people! It's just sex or love, both or something in between! Let's bang, k?
PD. My only problem with Garrus being bisexual is a got enough with all my FemSheps romancing him. ALL MY MALESHEPS WOULD HAVE ROMANCED HIM TOO, OK??? 
Not everyone has to like aliens. I'm no fan of racists but Ashley's attitude toward aliens made her feel more like a real person. And she had no problem working with them. She was pretty chill with garrus.
I never liked Ash, and it wasn't just because she displayed signs of arrogance and xenophobic attitude towards other aliens... alas that is for another thread why I dislike Ash. If other aspects of her character were different, I'd might have liked her. And yes her having a different attitude towards aliens would have made her interesting in contrast to others and maybe compelling, but her other traits and overall character dispel that for me.
You could convince Kaidan to become more racist toward aliens, and he said some pretty mean things, too.
Yes, I did it once with my Renegade FemShep. It was horrible, like corrupt him or something.
(you have to romance him in order to do so)
Not everyone has to like aliens. I'm no fan of racists but Ashley's attitude toward aliens made her feel more like a real person. And she had no problem working with them. She was pretty chill with garrus.
Racist characters can be interesting. Sera is an elf but hate elves and anything elf related. It's harder for you to romance her as an elf and she thinks you're into her because you're both elves, give dislikes for most of the pro-elf choices like helping Briala give freedom to elves, refuses to wear elf clothing, etc. Her family instilled those beliefs in her, so she has a sort of contradictory views. Even in real life, there are a lot of self-hating people. I saw a show where there's a Black guy hates being Black and wishes he were White. Not all racist characters are racist purely because they think other races are inferior, some motivations behind certain actions could make them even sympathetic.
I can't understand what's the problem people has against bisexuals
PD. My only problem with Garrus being bisexual is a got enough with all my FemSheps romancing him. ALL MY MALESHEPS WOULD HAVE ROMANCED HIM TOO, OK???
There has definitely been a lot of confusion and misunderstanding of bisexuals on this thread.
And often I encounter more issue being taken with bisexuals from where I'm from than issue with gay men or lesbians.
I can't understand what's the problem people has against bisexuals
PD. My only problem with Garrus being bisexual is a got enough with all my FemSheps romancing him. ALL MY MALESHEPS WOULD HAVE ROMANCED HIM TOO, OK???
There's a general belief that bisexual men are gay in denial. There's a stigma attached to bisexual men, it's more like bisexual women are hot because women on women, but bisexual men are disgusting because men on men are being looked down upon by society. Many people are disgusted the the act of anal sex despite not all gay relationship engage in anal intercourse (straight couples do it also), so they associate the image of that with bisexual men. It's just a huge stigma in general by society about how being gay is not ok.
It would be fun to romance Garrus as a guy. I actually like the maleShep and Garrus' dance.
Wow, had no idea you could do that.
Then, I guess since you can make Ash less racist, it sort of makes sense for there to be an option to make Kaidan racist.
Can't say I could get used to the idea of Kaidan being mean myself lol just awkward and insensitive, like his comment in the elevator about krogans to Wrex
Yes, you can do it! But once more, you have to romance her in order to do so
I never liked Ash, and it wasn't just because she displayed signs of arrogance and xenophobic attitude towards other aliens... alas that is for another thread why I dislike Ash. If other aspects of her character were different, I'd might have liked her. And yes her having a different attitude towards aliens would have made her interesting in contrast to others and maybe compelling, but her other traits and overall character dispel that for me.
I really liked Ash. She was like a sister to me. She had signs of arrogance and xenophobia but... well, Garrus had it too in the Mass Effect 1. Everytime I went to the Citadel with him and Wrex and Tali was a nightmare, he acts like a insufferable ass**le (for me, the reason why it was he is not used to work neither with quarians nor with krogans in C-Sec. That's why he didn't have problems with humans, even he is a turian). For me Ashley had a similar attitude as Garrus with an important difference: in ME1 we are not part of the Council. Turians are from a long time ago. Ashley has prejudices but she is not actually racist (because humans in ME1 are not powerholders).
However, I rarely save Ash on Virmire 
. In my opinion she loses a lot of sense of humour and becames so serious in ME3... I prefer Kaidan more, with those little jokes and that confidence 
There's a general belief that bisexual men are gay in denial. There's a stigma attached to bisexual men, it's more like bisexual women are hot because women on women, but bisexual men are disgusting because men on men are being looked down upon by society. Many people are disgusted the the act of anal sex despite not all gay relationship engage in anal intercourse (straight couples do it also), so the associate the image of that with bisexual men. It's just a huge stigma in general by society about how being gay is not ok.
I have a male bisexual friend and a female bisexual friend. The latter often gets asked to make out with girls for the very reason you described, because there's a fascination with bisexual women amongst some straight men.
My male bisexual friend gets so much crap, like being told to pick one or the other, cause some ppl would be fine if he were gay, but both he's just selfish apparently. And the idea of a male bisexual being attracted to men and women just shuts some people down, I've seen it, its just awful.
These are just examples from where I'm from, sadly I'm sure it happens everywhere else too.
tell that to the other guy.Racist characters can be interesting. Sera is an elf but hate elves and anything elf related. It's harder for you to romance her as an elf and she thinks you're into her because you're both elves, give dislikes for most of the pro-elf choices like helping Briala give freedom to elves, refuses to wear elf clothing, etc. Her family instilled those beliefs in her, so she has a sort of contradictory views. Even in real life, there are a lot of self-hating people. I saw a show where there's a Black guy hates being Black and wishes he were White. Not all racist characters are racist purely because they think other races are inferior, some motivations behind certain actions could make them even sympathetic.
I liked her for a different reason..... LOL.I never liked Ash, and it wasn't just because she displayed signs of arrogance and xenophobic attitude towards other aliens... alas that is for another thread why I dislike Ash. If other aspects of her character were different, I'd might have liked her. And yes her having a different attitude towards aliens would have made her interesting in contrast to others and maybe compelling, but her other traits and overall character dispel that for me.
There's a general belief that bisexual men are gay in denial. There's a stigma attached to bisexual men, it's more like bisexual women are hot because women on women, but bisexual men are disgusting because men on men are being looked down upon by society. Many people are disgusted the the act of anal sex despite not all gay relationship engage in anal intercourse (straight couples do it also), so the associate the image of that with bisexual men. It's just a huge stigma in general by society about how being gay is not ok.
It would be fun to romance Garrus as a guy. I actually like the maleShep and Garrus' dance.
Me too
You know what? Garrus is clearly Shepardsexual. He is into Shepard platonically, and then if he/she makes moves on him, he would be OK and enthusiastic about it and scared.
I have a male bisexual friend and a female bisexual friend. The latter often gets asked to make out with girls for the very reason you described, because there's a fascination with bisexual women amongst some straight men.
My male bisexual friend gets so much crap, like being told to pick one or the other, cause some ppl would be fine if he were gay, but both he's just selfish apparently. And the idea of a male bisexual being attracted to men and women just shuts some people down, I've seen it, its just awful.
These are just examples from where I'm from, sadly I'm sure it happens everywhere else too.
The current paradigm just kind of almost everywhere is you are like an extremely chaotic evil male or kind of a pure female (which can just mean almost any female... although a certain degree of "attitude" will probably break that) of some kind or another.. because patriarchy and all that.
Everyone and everything (and I do mean everyone and everything) that doesn't fit in those, very precise, exact categories is assigned second class status. Including slightly good males and slightly "evil" females, or pure chaotic evil females and pure 'good" sort of males, just everyone that isn't in that exact area.
It ends up working out badly for everyone, including the patriarchy and those females oftentimes.... unfortunately.
Moreover people who don't even agree with it find themselves subconsciously supporting it because they are primed to support that logic.
That said I don't really see that as the pre-eminent, predominant paradigm everywhere in 2016, simply controlling.
Historically it's been because most people/groups never really had the strength to kind of call this chaotic evil person out on the fact that their very narrow, primitive view of the world is really just theres and not at all representative of the world generally.
I have a male bisexual friend and a female bisexual friend. The latter often gets asked to make out with girls for the very reason you described, because there's a fascination with bisexual women amongst some straight men.
My male bisexual friend gets so much crap, like being told to pick one or the other, cause some ppl would be fine if he were gay, but both he's just selfish apparently. And the idea of a male bisexual being attracted to men and women just shuts some people down, I've seen it, its just awful.
These are just examples from where I'm from, sadly I'm sure it happens everywhere else too.
I have a bisexual male friend and he doesn't come out publically for that reason.
I have a bisexual male friend and he doesn't come out publically for that reason.
It's frustrating alone because its a phobic thing directed at there sexuality, but also because it clearly demonstrates primeval attitudes about masculinity and men and women roles in society and in relationships.
I would say it's relatively safe to come out as bisexual of either gender... at this point. In fact I don't even really think you have to "come out" as anything you can kind of just do it.
I mean don't go overboard or out of your way to "shove it in people's faces" as would be interpreted, but it's gained a lot of acceptance.
I would say it's relatively safe to come out as bisexual of either gender... at this point. In fact I don't even really think you have to "come out" as anything you can kind of just do it.
I mean don't go overboard or out of your way to "shove it in people's faces" as would be interpreted, but it's gained a lot of acceptance.
It's relatively easier to come out as gay than bisexual. They would actually judge you less as gay. You're being perceived as selfish, or gay in denial by both gay and straight people.
It's ok to come out, but the issue is not about safety, it's about how people's opinions of you would change by coming out, they may judge and view you differently depending on your sexuality, and many people wouldn't even want to date you if you're bisexual, especially the women. They view their boyfriend/husband as less masculine or even gay. Women can be bisexual and it's a thing but men who are bisexuals are just gay. Acceptance and tolerance are two different things. People may tolerant your sexuality, but acceptance where they view it as not a big deal is still a rare occurrence.
It's relatively easier to come out as gay than bisexual. They would actually judge you less as gay. You're being perceived as selfish, or gay in denial by both gay and straight people.
It's ok to come out, but the issue is not about safety, it's about how people's opinions of you would change by coming out, they may judge and view you differently depending on your sexuality, and many people wouldn't even want to date you if you're bisexual, especially the women. They view their boyfriend/husband as less masculine or even gay. Women can be bisexual and it's a thing but men who are bisexuals are just gay. Acceptance and tolerance are two different things. People may tolerant your sexuality, but acceptance where they view it as not a big deal is still a rare occurrence.
It's true, bisexuality has more heat on it than homosexuality, nonetheless, I believe it is relatively safe to just be that way. Moreover, that applies to both genders, currently, I believe, not necessarily in the past, or even recent past.
I would actually say a substantial number of people would actually judge you better for being bisexual or having some of those tendencies, in 2016, at any rate, depending on the crowd.
Plus I think that's what I was implying with "don't go out of your way" I'm not saying do whatever you want whenever you want, but you can basically be committed to practicing some form of bisexuality in the open and if people give you heat for it that is less and less likely to be considered acceptable to the point where it's as I said "relatively safe," meaning how opinions change regarding X or Y isn't significant enough.
Sadly all this makes me more certain that the chances of all romanceable characters in Andromeda being bisexual so as to be inclusive of all sexual orientations, rather slim.
People would probably readily accept a straight or gay LI. But a LI who you initially presume straight, then suddenly find out opposite genders can romance them too in a separate play through?
I fear that would generate more backlash than the inevitable backlash to there being gay LI in the first place.
Case in point: Anders. Dear LORD, there are still people claiming that he was 'made gay' in DA2, five years after the game was released...
Case in point: Anders. Dear LORD, there are still people claiming that he was 'made gay' in DA2, five years after the game was released...
Sadly all this makes me more certain that the chances of all romanceable characters in Andromeda being bisexual so as to be inclusive of all sexual orientations, rather slim.
People would probably readily accept a straight or gay LI. But a LI who you initially presume straight, then suddenly find out opposite genders can romance them too in a separate play through?
I fear that would generate more backlash than the inevitable backlash to there being gay LI in the first place.
I have a feeling that they may take DAO approach, 1 straight character and a bi character for each gender. Basically, we're stuck with one option once again. There's "set" sexuality in that sense, but then, the only one benefit from it are the straight audience. They can romance everyone while have their "set" sexuality. It's like having their cake and eat it, too.
Sadly all this makes me more certain that the chances of all romanceable characters in Andromeda being bisexual so as to be inclusive of all sexual orientations, rather slim.
People would probably readily accept a straight or gay LI. But a LI who you initially presume straight, then suddenly find out opposite genders can romance them too in a separate play through?
I fear that would generate more backlash than the inevitable backlash to there being gay LI in the first place.
If all bisexual LI wouldn't be present in MEA it'll likely be for other reasons then what you state in your post. The only time they did it, according to Bioware, was just to give everyone choices without making too many LI. So if they won't go in that route is because they'd make enough LI to give everyone choices.
Also, I don't really get your point. People might be 'upset' of finding out their LI is bisexual and not straight regardless if there's one, two or all. Based on you logic they should avoit bisexual LI from the start for fear of backlash.
Case in point: Anders. Dear LORD, there are still people claiming that he was 'made gay' in DA2, five years after the game was released...
I don't play Dragon Age, but I sure as hell come across complaints regarding this Anders (and tons on Dorian) just reading Mass Effect threads.
Dorian AND Sera have their share of people criticizing them, though for opposite reasons. Also, Anders is a completely different matter. People didn't have problem with Zevran, the male bisexual LI in DAO. The problem with Anders was that people assume/d that he was straight in Awakening and then he was bisexual in DAI. Regardless if believing that he was straight in DAA from a single line was right or wrong, it's a completely different matter then other LI.
Again, bisexual LI were introduced a long time ago in DA, males and females.
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