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[Jedi Comedian]

https://www.youtube....h?v=Bk7RVw3I8eg

One of my fav songs ever. I prefer the original though.

[Dalinne]

One of my fav songs ever. I prefer the original though.

The original is very good, but Ben Affleck ruined it for me

 

[Jedi Comedian]

The original is very good, but Ben Affleck ruined it for me

https://www.youtube....h?v=Yc5kOgm5HyQ

Bane should ruin this Batman's soul too lol.

[SKAR]

Steve was the only gay character I didn't like. He was kinda boring in my opinion. I hope future gay characters in mass effect won't be as one dimensional as steve. Nearly everything was about his dead husband. Other than that, there weren't interesting conversations with him. I missed the flaws and interesting personality traits that other characters had. He was just there...and talked about his dead husband all over again, and that was it. I had serious problems to tell what his personality was like. I always got the feeling that he was just a minor character that the developers haven't cared much about. I think he was the only m/m romance I've never pursued. That's why I always chose Kaidan, even though he's bisexual and just a copy and paste job from the straight version. Still,he seemed much more interesting than steve. But that's just my feeling with him. I don't like to talk in this way about him, since there are people who like him and I respect that, but I don't see anything in him.... I have problem to recognize traits that would make him special and likeable for me. He was just the nice guy who lost his husband. (Nothing against nice guys, but if this is the ONLY obvious personality trait it's a bit boring.) I hope you know what I mean and don't feel offended.

that's kind of ironic considering there were only 2 gay guys and kaiden was ok I guess.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I loved Steve!

Its just a shame it took Leviathan and the Citadel DLCs for him to get to do more than be a taxi service.

[LiaraShepard]

that's kind of ironic considering there were only 2 gay guys and kaiden was ok I guess.

 

Ok, I correct myself and say "He was the only m/m option, I didn't like." (compared to the m/m options of all other bioware games plus Kaidan)

 

...and not because he wasn't a stereotype gay, but because I couldn't see anything interesting in him. Compared to the other options he seemed like a minor character...and that's what he was. As another person said, he was just a taxi service most of the time (minus the DLC's). His background wasn't very interesting (just another Carth syndrome guy). He talked about his dead husband in nearly every conversation. He even cried about him...and then, out of the sudden, he's over him and loved shepard. It didn't seem very plausible to me at that point. His face wasn't shaped after a real person. He wasn't a companion. He didn't show any visible trait beyond kindness, crying (about his dead husband of course) and flirting with shepard (after he healed him from his grief). I was very disappointed with this character. But well, just my opinion.

 

Yes, Steve was tolerable, because why not? He didn't show any flaws or attitudes that could make him untolerable or discussable. It's like the developers didn't want to offend the straight gamer audience, and that's why they created a gay character like Steve who's "just okay but absolutely forgettable". I don't have anything against nice/good characters, but being 'okay' is boring if this is the only trait that someone shows. Steve didn't seem very real to me. Maybe it was because of his little presence in the game.  

[JPVNG]

There are nothing wrong with man-nerisms (pun!!!). However, I don't think the sexual orientation of an individual inflects in his/her body language  .

 

I liked Steve. He is a very competent guy, geek of ships, I loved his friendship dinamic with Vega and he is fun once you friendmance him (or romance him). 

 

I agree with you on everything with the exception of what is in bold, i m pretty sure that there is a estereotipe of gay man and it didn t came for me. Actually i think girls were the first to contribute for that ahah

He did have a major role on the Leviathan dlc i think..for a secondary character

[Jedi Comedian]

I agree with you on everything with the exception of what is in bold, i m pretty sure that there is a estereotipe of gay man and it didn t came for me. Actually i think girls were the first to contribute for that ahah
He did have a major role on the Leviathan dlc i think..for a secondary character

FRAK stereotypes, I say, FRAK 'em HARD.

[Dalinne]

I agree with you on everything with the exception of what is in bold, i m pretty sure that there is a estereotipe of gay man and it didn t came for me. Actually i think girls were the first to contribute for that ahah

He did have a major role on the Leviathan dlc i think..for a secondary character

I don't deny there is an estereotipe of gay man with mannerisms. I deny that in real life that estereotipe is the norm for gay men. And even with gay men with mannerisms, there are nothing wrong with that (although we agree on that). By the way, of course us, girls, are the one who take blame for that estereotipe! Everyone knows that Hollywood, TV series, Game Industry, all of that is produced and directed by a majority of women who use that estereotipical gay character on media...

 

However, I agree they gave him a major role in Leviathan dlc and it was great. It was pretty refresing to see him as part of the mission too.

[mopotter]

Just a philosophical standpoint, wouldn't aliens be more interested into interbreeding rather than just sex?  I mean that's all that will happen in gay romance is just sex...nothing (in a reproductive scene) will come from it.  Idk...idc...what aliens were you thinking of romancing? Krogans? lol seems like an ongoing joke in these forums.  A little bit of Wrex fever going around.

I'd think just the opposite.  They would be curious about sex with humans in general not necessarily having kids with another species.  

 

I know, a lot of Garrus and Shepard kids in stories and images, which are cute, but I have a hard time imagining the birth process with any species other than the Asari where all kids end up look like them.

 

So I could see it as an option.  

[Jedi Comedian]

The only gay trope I accept is the Manly Gay one. I wish THAT was the stereotype.

But hey, living in a crappy world has its bit of fun too.

[mopotter]

Should look closer.  44 pages.  oh well.  I adore Steve.  I started a game specifically for him.  

 

 

I don't deny there is an estereotipe of gay man with mannerisms. I deny that in real life that estereotipe is the norm for gay men. And even with gay men with mannerisms, there are nothing wrong with that (although we agree on that). By the way, of course us, girls, are the one who take blame for that estereotipe! Everyone knows that Hollywood, TV series, Game Industry, all of that is produced and directed by a majority of women who use that estereotipical gay character on media...

 

However, I agree they gave him a major role in Leviathan dlc and it was great. It was pretty refresing to see him as part of the mission too.

 

I've known a few gay guys at work.  Most of them artist and none of them had "gay mannerisms" as displayed on tv.    One of them was a very cute art teacher and there were a few girls flirting with him because he didn't have a sign.  I did have a math teacher back in the 80's who did have "mannerisms" was married with kids and I have no idea if he was gay or not.  I agree, there is no such thing as stereotype for anyone.   

[Dalinne]

The only gay trope I accept is the Manly Gay one. I wish THAT was the stereotype.

But hey, living in a crappy world has its bit of fun too.

 

If we are talking about games, I think it's better when any character doesn't follow any trope and when they are complex.

If we are talking about real life, those estereotipes you see are simply your perception of people. People are complex. You only scratch the surface. Also, people can be whatever they want.

 

(just adding this for the sake of captain Holt)

[Jedi Comedian]

Know what would be cool? An extremely renegade Alien gangster who happens to fancy the same sex and has NO shame about it... think space Ronnie Kray.

[ModernAcademic]

God no, I'll punch a bunny if they give us another slutty bisexual character once again.

 

 

Almost all the canon bisexual characters are promiscuous. I want more romance and love, something that gay romance often lack in Bioware games. 

 

This is why, even though characters like Dorian and Sera (Dragon Age) are adorable, both are so promiscuous I find it difficult to believe my PCs truly experienced a gay romance.

 

There was much emphasys on being adventurous and having carefree sex and very little on personal involvement.

[SKAR]

Ok, I correct myself and say "He was the only m/m option, I didn't like." (compared to the m/m options of all other bioware games plus Kaidan)

...and not because he wasn't a stereotype gay, but because I couldn't see anything interesting in him. Compared to the other options he seemed like a minor character...and that's what he was. As another person said, he was just a taxi service most of the time (minus the DLC's). His background wasn't very interesting (just another Carth syndrome guy). He talked about his dead husband in nearly every conversation. He even cried about him...and then, out of the sudden, he's over him and loved shepard. It didn't seem very plausible to me at that point. His face wasn't shaped after a real person. He wasn't a companion. He didn't show any visible trait beyond kindness, crying (about his dead husband of course) and flirting with shepard (after he healed him from his grief). I was very disappointed with this character. But well, just my opinion.

Yes, Steve was tolerable, because why not? He didn't show any flaws or attitudes that could make him untolerable or discussable. It's like the developers didn't want to offend the straight gamer audience, and that's why they created a gay character like Steve who's "just okay but absolutely forgettable". I don't have anything against nice/good characters, but being 'okay' is boring if this is the only trait that someone shows. Steve didn't seem very real to me. Maybe it was because of his little presence in the game.

He was a nice guy.

[Jedi Comedian]

The only gay trope I accept is the Manly Gay one. I wish THAT was the stereotype.

But hey, living in a crappy world has its bit of fun too.

Well, to be perfectly honest I'd rather have NO stereotypes, including the Manly one. Not labeling people in any way is the right thing to do.

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, to be perfectly honest I'd rather have NO stereotypes, including the Manly one. Not labeling people in any way is the right thing to do.

It's impossible to do that because behaviors are being set into either masculine or feminine. It's impossible to have "no" stereotype. Like watching football will be seen as manly while go shopping with your hag is count as feminine. 

[Jedi Comedian]

Like watching football will be seen as manly while go shopping with your hag is count as feminine.

I like nor football nor shopping (I find both things annoying TBH). I just can't see things in black and white.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

It's impossible to do that because behaviors are being set into either masculine or feminine. It's impossible to have "no" stereotype. Like watching football will be seen as manly while go shopping with your hag is count as feminine. 

 

Wherever did you get that idea? How about eating, reading, sleeping, dancing, driving etc to name a few. It's quite possible to have no stereotype, but at the same type it depends on the viewer who is observing the activity. 

[GeneralXIV]

I love shopping! Haha theres so much choice! I spend forever in each store trying to figure out what I want x

 

I dont care for football. Or baseball... or sports generally. A load of guys running around chasing after balls isnt my thing haha xxx

 

I love muscle cars though! I really want one! Haha its one of my dreams to own a '66 Mustang! I dont even know anything about them, I just think theyre pretty and make a nice sound xxx

[Battlebloodmage]

Wherever did you get that idea? How about eating, reading, sleeping, dancing, driving etc to name a few. It's quite possible to have no stereotype, but at the same type it depends on the viewer who is observing the activity. 

We're talking about behaviors, not actions, although there are feminine actions like snapping your fingers. Dancing is definitely have a feminine and masculine perception like ballet is more feminine while someone doing break dancing is often more of a masculine dance. I'm using the common social perception, not how some individuals may have different views at a certain actions.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I only shop online, shopping in town just involves too many people, and I only really like bookshops. Clothes, games, other stuff all ordered online.

Sports... Does liking Quidditch count?

I'm not a fan of stereotypes, masculine and feminine stereotypes, LGBT stereotypes, racial stereotypes. They are lazy, and oftimes harmful. I hope Andromeda avoids it, of course in its depiction of LGBT romance and characters, gaylien or not.

I don't really fit into a stereotype, masculine or LGBT.

A dumb friend of mine was sad I didn't like Judy Garland. And expected me to be physically inept because I don't like sports. Moral of this pointless story is, I outrun him (sportiest guy at my old high school) to get to the last bus leaving town that night. From that day, he stopped stereotyping people based on unimportant labels.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

We're talking about behaviors, not actions, although there are feminine actions like snapping your fingers. Dancing is definitely have a feminine and masculine perception like ballet is more feminine while someone doing break dancing is often more of a masculine dance. I'm using the common social perception, not how some individuals may have different views at a certain actions.

It's strange to hear that watching football and shopping are classified as behaviors, nevertheless my point still stands. You can't simply classify all behaviors as  either masculine or feminine. Is politeness or shyness feminine or masculine?

 

If you want me to use it in the same context as you did, which is a very specific context, is drinking tea masculine or feminine? How about going to a concert? Even in dancing there are types of dancing that are neither masculine or feminine. I'm not trying to nit pick your statement but the point I'm trying to make is, stating all behaviors as either one or the other seems rather naive and absolute. And we all know only a sith deals in absolutes.

[GeneralXIV]

Haha I love shopping, but I dont like it when you have to go to pay for things! the people would know what Im buying... its a bit weird x

 

 

I dont know if I fit any stereotypes or not... I hope not haha xxx