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[Dutch's Ghost]

I always felt that one of DAI's weakest aspect excluding the fetch quests, the boring characters, the main quest, the combat and lack of tactics, the crappy tac cam, is the villain. 

 

Corypheus could have been a great villain, he was perfectly setup in Legacy as being a menace who escaped a thousand year slumber in a Warden prison. We expected him to be badass and dangerous but in reality he was only dangerous when you first met him, after that poof - he's a clown, biowares weakest character. Metacritic user BloodyGamer sums it up perfectly.

 

"Worst villain EVER!! 

How da **** does anyone fear this douche, i mean he is worst Military commander in Theadas,****ed up in Golden City,Kidnapped Divine at summit where you would think are massive amounts of solders but forgets to lock the door,Drop his almighty ball just as his green particle effect about to spawn, then stares at it like an idiot as it rolled away,Attacked a tiny little mountain village with a massive army and a archdemon and then loses miserably,Tries to corrupt the Grey Wardens with there taint he controls and then ofc fails,Sends his entire army into the Arbor Wilds where they are almost immediately annihilated and then fails to drink water from a ****ing POND.I think cartoon Coyote has better success rate that him,i mean it's nothing short of a miracle that Corypheus doesn't get himself killed in one of his idiotic plans, i mean he even had a mage who can travel trough TIME and still failed to make better plans than what he did, "Great Strategist" 
The closest Corypheus gets to his moment of triumph is at Haven, where he sacrifices most of hes army to destroy a small village, again proving he has no clue what he is doing, in fact i fail to take him seriously, i think Turner D.Century or Egg Fu is better villain than Corypheus. "

[FemShem]

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Give me an...I like...(anything at all by BioWare since your on a BioWare forum).  I know you like DA:O from previous posts and Witcher 3.  Anything else?

Please...seriously...smiley face at you.

[thats1evildude]

The problem with Corypheus is that, technically speaking, a victory for him at any stage is basically a total victory. He summons his army at Adamant? He wins. He kills the Empress and pins it on Gaspard? He wins. He enters the Fade and breaks into the Black City? He wins.

 

I will note that he does technically corrupt either the rebel mages or the templars, and while he didn't achieve his goal, he also doesn't lose the battle at Haven, considering he sent your forces fleeing into the mountains.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Give me an...I like...(anything at all by BioWare since your on a BioWare forum).  I know you like DA:O from previous posts and Witcher 3.  Anything else?

Please...seriously...smiley face at you.

 

I like the whole Mass Effect Franchise and i didnt despise DA2, infact i'd rather play that than Inquisition.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Technically, he wins the battle at Haven.

 

He loses the chance to take back the Orb. So he fails and his army gets rekt by an avalanche.

[FemShem]

I'm a huge fan of the action in DA2, and some of the character development.  Oddly, I agree with you.  I think it's better than Inquisition *ducks before the swing*.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I'm a huge fan of the action in DA2, and some of the character development.  Oddly, I agree with you.  I think it's better than Inquisition *ducks before the swing*.

 

I agree with you on that.

[Ariella]

The Architech and the Mother are worse by far. At least Corypheus had personality and a backstory.

[Dutch's Ghost]

The Architech and the Mother are worse by far. At least Corypheus had personality and a backstory.

 

I liked the Architech and the Mother. They were good villains, Corypheus was good too until you come to the conclusion that he's your garden-variety scooby-doo villain, foiling his plots left and right. 

[FemShem]

Forgot about Broodmother.  She was gross, and weighed way over 144.

I remember when Corypheus showed at Haven I was a bit confused.  The guy from the DLC (head scratcher)?  I just wanted him to be less 2 dimensional, but often your antagonist is 2 dimensional (not only in fantasy, RPGs, and sci-fi, but also in everything yellow journalism paints for us as a world audience).

I wonder if it's a failing of the writers, or just a low expectation of the audience that we need something that blatant?

Perhaps if the Inquisitor had the ability to be more faulty...like if your at Halam and you pick Gaspard to lead when Morrigan comes out you have a dialogue option "that's me". "I fall out of the sky, make bad decisions, and still people follow me."  I think if the PC toon could always be that faulty we have a better show at getting a multilevel antagonist that doesn't have to be a "bad guy", he could just be an antagonist.  That would be fab!

[TheOgre]

Didn't like Corypheous in terms of character

 

but his design and voice were spot on in my opinion. It's a shame they didn't develop him properly.

[TheOgre]

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Give me an...I like...(anything at all by BioWare since your on a BioWare forum).  I know you like DA:O from previous posts and Witcher 3.  Anything else?

Please...seriously...smiley face at you.

 

I liked certain features in DAI and hope they take it to DA4, would like gradual healing through magic to return with the guard system as the predominant way for mitigating damage. Preventative with some degree of regeneration please.

[Uccio]

I have a feeling now that DAI would have been better with Hawke as pc and the original DA2 expansion. Just a hunch.

[Shechinah]

I liked the Architech and the Mother. They were good villains, Corypheus was good too until you come to the conclusion that he's your garden-variety scooby-doo villain, foiling his plots left and right. 

I still have to disagree with your assertion that Corypheus is a "scooby-doo villain" since he does not, in my opinion, match the criteria of a Scooby-Doo villain.

 

[TheOgre]

I still have to disagree with your assertion that Corypheus is a "scooby-doo villain" since he does not, in my opinion, match the criteria of a Scooby-Doo villain.

 

I agree, it's a bit hyperbole.

 

But I felt like I was never really ever at a disadvantage against him.

[Ariella]

The Architect had all the threat of wet tissue paper, and he wasn't even the main villain. The Mother was just a cackling maniac, and not much better.

The Architect was boring, his plot was silly (blighted clones of your characters?) His voice over was pedantic, he had little to no back story at the time except for the Calling, but there was no indication who HE was.

The Mother is breeding 'children' and sending minions out after you. If you want Scooby Doo... that pretty much classic.

[Saphiron123]

Here's the thing - Corypheus had serious potential, he just didn't get enough scenes, we didn't get to hear his thoughts and plans like we did with the villains of past games, we didn't get to know him, we didn't even get to see most of the war and the final battle was pretty weak.

He could have been a GREAT villain. Like everything in DAI though, we was underwritten to make way for more empty environments and fetch quests.

Incidentally I was so pissed that they did the final battle between my army and his off screen. Biggest disappointment of the year. I didn't want to hear if from Cullen and Leliana, I wanted to see it.

[Saphiron123]

Didn't like Corypheous in terms of character

 

but his design and voice were spot on in my opinion. It's a shame they didn't develop him properly.

Exactly, he deserved more writing. More complexity. They chose to lose the scenes where we got to hear things from the villain's perspective and it hurt the game.

Of course they also chose to lose stuff like tactics etc so there was far too much on the chopping block. At least you got to hear what loghain thought throughout origins.

[Heimdall]

I actually thought he had great potential. His backstory was interesting. His motives were too, not run of the mill out to become a god because "pwr!", but because he wanted to give the world a god that is real and restore his country to it's "rightful" place.

But they completely failed to develop him after Haven (Though In Your Heart Shall Burn was brilliant), and his sense of threat dwindled to nothing by the end.

I wouldn't call him dumb, his individual plans are actually quite sophisticated and came within a hairspreadth of success before the Inquisitor interfered, because protagonist power.

He is beyond arrogant though, hence why he was trying to sacrifice the Divine in the middle of her own Conclave in the first place.

[kayshep]

... I actually liked The Architect and The Mother.  They had sort of a twisted Edith and Archie Bunker dynamic *pictures the two of them singing "Those Were The Days" while The Mother plays the piano*

[TheOgre]

For me corypheous only came off as power hungry. "Pwr" was my impression and they did fail to build off of that. I never truly had the impression he was doing so for his country or for the world.

Loghain when he was trying to take over ferelden did crazy things and came off as more believable in his zeal.

[Ariella]

... I actually liked The Architect and The Mother.  They had sort of a twisted Edith and Archie Bunker dynamic *pictures the two of them singing "Those Were The Days" while The Mother plays the piano*

That might have worked in say... Fable

[Kroitz]

He wasn´t much of a challenge and that was his greatest weakness.

[Ariella]

He wasn´t much of a challenge and that was his greatest weakness.

Sauron isn't much of a challenge either. He was vulnerable to destroying the Ring because he was arrogant beyond measure. He could not conceive of failure. But he never physically confronts any of the characters. He's a shadow, a menace that is a single eye.

Corypheus is in a similar vein, until the end he's not supposed to be confronted directly. And by the end, his arrogance is to the point where he is willing to destroy the world if he cannot save it.