76 réponses à ce sujet

[Dai Grepher]

The amount of sjw terms being thrown around lately have been rather troubling. Now it's liberalism that inhibits dragon age?

I blame fox news for dragon age origins clothed sex. I wouldn't blame it on the conservatives.

Edit: I blame bioware for caving to the news frenzy about me1 and naked sex actually. I remember reading about the result of that news and felt inwardly disappointed at Bioware for refusing to ignore fox news.

 

Eh, I don't think Fox News had anything to do with it. GameFailers addressed Fox just fine, even with their own bumbling way. Fox was just sensationalizing a video game on a slow news day. I doubt BioWare cared. Same as when WorldNetDaily ran an article about Zevran, the premise of the news reports were baseless. So why would BioWare care about it?

[Shechinah]

The amount of sjw terms being thrown around lately have been rather troubling. Now it's liberalism that inhibits dragon age?

I blame fox news for dragon age origins clothed sex. I wouldn't blame it on the conservatives.

Edit: I blame bioware for caving to the news frenzy about me1 and naked sex actually. I remember reading about the result of that news and felt inwardly disappointed at Bioware for refusing to ignore fox news.

I'll be honest: I initially believed that to be the case myself but reading more about it, I do not. I've seen the interview and video game journalist Geoff Keighley, I believe his name is, won the interview by asking one question to Cooper Lawrence and the other person: "Have you actually played the game?" Not only did they freely admit that they had not played the game but they also saw nothing wrong with pareading unchecked third-party information as factual evidence.

 

While EA has shown incidents in which they have little about whether or not they recieved negative publicity, even encourging it with certain games to create interest, actually: "requested a correction of 'serious errors' from Fox News in an open letter" so they seemed to support Bioware on the matter and it seems unlikely they'd play it safer.

 

Additionally, parts of the gaming community backlashed so hard against the accusations that they decided to exemplify Fox News' methods by going on the Amazon.com page of Cooper Lawrence's latest book and leave reviews that rated it a single star and: "Many of these reviews satirically noted that they had not read her book, but heard from someone else that the book was bad, and thus voted low."  

 

There seems to be little reason that Bioware would worry about people's perception of them and little chance that they'd cave to the few ludicrous articles or a television show which response made it clear that Bioware had support from the gaming community including video game journalists who were actually credible. 

 

 Even Jack Thompson said in response to a absolutely atrocious article with absolutely baseless accusations: "The guy who shot his mouth off about it had idea what the Hell he was talking about. This contrieved controversy is absolutely ridiculous" Jack. Thompson.

 

I would like to note that Jack Thompson is a known anti-video-game activist who especially campaigns against violence and sex in video games and he stood up for a shooter game featuring sexual content and violence. Jack. Thompson.  

 

TL:DR - I attribute the infamously clothed scenes of the sexual nature in Origins to be per design and not per an attempt to avoid controversy.  

[PsychoBlonde]

,i mean it's nothing short of a miracle that Corypheus doesn't get himself killed in one of his idiotic plans

 

 

Uh, he did.  Right in front of you, at the elven temple.  He got fried.  And came back. Also, the subtext was that he got blown to smithereens along with everything else at the Conclave, so technically he died TWICE.  That you know of.  The lesson being that you don't need to be bright if you're immortal, perhaps?  The plans of all the bad guys in the game did come across as rather, well, HATCHED . . . but consider the ultimate goal.  Cory didn't care about what happened to the world.  He wanted to become a god basically out of spite.  This is not the attitude of an empire-builder.  This is the attitude of someone who goes on a shooting spree in a public place.  There was no "plan", really, aside from "wrek all dis ****".  The people who joined him had motives *of their own* and thought they could use his power to further their goals.  It did not end well for any of them.

 

Cory was poorly-executed but I think the Archdemon was a *dumber* villain, to be sure.  It couldn't even talk, it just went "RAWR!!"  But you could argue that Loghain or Arl Howe was the actual villain of that game.

[TheOgre]

@dai and shechinah that helps a lot. If it was intended on biowares part then it was their choice and I stand by it.

[Dai Grepher]

No prob.

 

Back to Corypheus. I think another reason why he lacked the fear element is because he doesn't really make any hard moves against the Inquisition, except in Haven. And it's no surprise that most people say Haven was a great moment. It was one of those "oh crap" moments. There were never any more of those moments in the game that involved Corypheus. Even the scene in front of the Temple of Mythal lacked this because everything was just an animated sequence. We had no control over it.

 

I also think Corypheus should have had more scheming going on. Like turning certain people against each other and that affecting the Inquisition in some way. Like creating a huge conflict, and even when solved by the Inquisitor it has negative consequences.

 

The next villain should be a plotter and schemer who rarely sullies his own hands. Solas might be the next villain depending on how BioWare plays it. If so, I expect his brilliant mind to be the most dangerous thing about him. But no matter who it is, I hope to see a villain like Naraku from Inuyasha, or Light from Death Note, Eizen from Bleach, or Orochimaru from Naruto. The kind of villain who is strong in his own right, but also manipulative, sneaky, cruel, and intelligent.

[Rawgrim]

Uh, he did.  Right in front of you, at the elven temple.  He got fried.  And came back. Also, the subtext was that he got blown to smithereens along with everything else at the Conclave, so technically he died TWICE.  That you know of.  The lesson being that you don't need to be bright if you're immortal, perhaps?  The plans of all the bad guys in the game did come across as rather, well, HATCHED . . . but consider the ultimate goal.  Cory didn't care about what happened to the world.  He wanted to become a god basically out of spite.  This is not the attitude of an empire-builder.  This is the attitude of someone who goes on a shooting spree in a public place.  There was no "plan", really, aside from "wrek all dis ****".  The people who joined him had motives *of their own* and thought they could use his power to further their goals.  It did not end well for any of them.

 

Cory was poorly-executed but I think the Archdemon was a *dumber* villain, to be sure.  It couldn't even talk, it just went "RAWR!!"  But you could argue that Loghain or Arl Howe was the actual villain of that game.

 

I'd say the Archdemon isn't really a character. More like a natural disaster, in a way. Some apocalypse that needs preventing, I guess.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I'd say the Archdemon isn't really a character. More like a natural disaster, in a way. Some apocalypse that needs preventing, I guess.

 

That's precisely it.

 

The Archdemon is a force of nature. It's not some moustache-twirling psychopath who exists merely to be outwitted by the heroes, or a supervillain from the Silver Age whose entire motivation boils down to "unresolved daddy issues." When you're facing the Archdemon, and indeed the darkspawn in general in Origins, you're basically fighting a tidal wave with swords; merciless, relentess, and driven to stop at nothing. True, the Archdemon doesn't show up much in Origins, but each of its appearances are just full of menace and threat. Conversely, Corypheus is basically Team Rocket; he shows up only to have his plans foiled. If nothing else, at least the Archdemon didn't get thwarted by a baseline geriatric, so it has that working in its favour.

[leaguer of one]

He loses the chance to take back the Orb. So he fails and his army gets rekt by an avalanche.

It's not that he loses the chance to take it back. He did get the orb back. it just does not have any stable power left.

[leaguer of one]

That's precisely it.

 

The Archdemon is a force of nature. It's not some moustache-twirling psychopath who exists merely to be outwitted by the heroes, or a supervillain from the Silver Age whose entire motivation boils down to "unresolved daddy issues." When you're facing the Archdemon, and indeed the darkspawn in general in Origins, you're basically fighting a tidal wave with swords; merciless, relentess, and driven to stop at nothing. True, the Archdemon doesn't show up much in Origins, but each of its appearances are just full of menace and threat. Conversely, Corypheus is basically Team Rocket; he shows up only to have his plans foiled. If nothing else, at least the Archdemon didn't get thwarted by a baseline geriatric, so it has that working in its favour.

What part of any win by Cory is a total win is not understood. At this point Loghain can be seen as bad as Cory being that he always loses to the warden protag after ostigard.

[TheOgre]

What part of any win by Cory is a total win is not understood. At this point Loghain can be seen as bad as Cory being that he always loses to the warden protag after ostigard.

He practically had the wardens on the run however. They were always hunted because of the lies the "hero" of ostagar spread about the wardens getting their king killed.

[leaguer of one]

He practically had the wardens on the run however. They were always hunted because of the lies the "hero" of ostagar spread about the wardens getting their king killed.

And the inquisition was scrapped together from near nothing with the chantry in shambles and denying them and the world in chaos....Your point?

[TheOgre]

And the inquisition was scrapped together from near nothing with the chantry in shambles and denying them and the world in chaos....Your point?

I don't really see your point either in that case. You still are in a position of power through out the game. You still have the one magical star pony power that none other at that moment has.

[Dubya75]

I agree with the OP. What an absolutely underwhelming villain, to say the very least!

 

There is something I noticed while slogging through DAI that really surprised me and left me very disappointed. Not the game mechanics or the nonsense tac cam or the "my first pc" interface for the clinically blind....all these things can be forgiven. But the thing that really ruined it for me was the incredibly poor writing. The plot, quests, characters...everywhere I saw a great lack of passion. A lack of enthusiasm. A lack of creativity.

 

And then David Gaider quits Dragon Age. Coincidence? I think not! 

 

So it would seem reasonable to say, Mr Gaider probably just got all burned out, and the likes of Mike Laidlaw, Mark Darrah and that Lee guy from EA....none of them even noticed or did anything about it! 

 

DAI was going to be a big fat cash cow, just the way EA always wanted it, and in their pursuit for multiplayer success and four-legged frostbite creatures, they completely lost their way. They forgot what Dragon Age is all about. Quality content and story became a secondary goal.

 

It is one thing to write a poor villain. But to recycle one in this way is probably one of the cheapest, laziest and most uninspired things I have ever seen in a "AAA" game.

 

I simply can't imagine how the DA franchise can launch into another single-player RPG after this. This was their LAST SHOT! And they effed it up royally! 

 

My prediction is that the next game will be "Dragon Age Online" or something stupid like that. But more likely, we'll simply not see another DA title ever again. And I'm not shy to bet my good reputation on it.

 

But I'm also rambling.Sorry. Get carried away easily.

[Ariella]

Actually Dubs,

They didn't f it up. DAI contributed to a very good third quarter for EA. It was also mentioned favorably in this quarter's earnings call.

Might want to rethink that bet.

[Dubya75]

Actually Dubs,

They didn't f it up. DAI contributed to a very good third quarter for EA. It was also mentioned favorably in this quarter's earnings call.

Might want to rethink that bet.

 

I'd say the credit for those sales figures should go to the marketing team, because without it, this game would have been a total failure.

So my bet stands, Ariella!

[TheOgre]

I'd say the credit for those sales figures should go to the marketing team, because without it, this game would have been a total failure.

So my bet stands, Ariella!

 

"This game was made for pc players" I preordered, I regret preordering. It was fun but not full price fun, but I'd have paid more toward 40$ for this game.

[Ariella]

I'd say the credit for those sales figures should go to the marketing team, because without it, this game would have been a total failure.
So my bet stands, Ariella!

Doesn't matter. The game made money. Successful launch and then got ANOTHER call out this past quarter after it was out for about six months.

This is the only metric that matters, which is why we'll see a DA4 barring some freak accident or the world ending or something. And I suggest you NOT take what is said here on the borders as how the game is actually being received. BSN is an echo chamber.

From the earning call Q3FY15

Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide and it quickly became the
most successful launch in BioWare™ history in addition to being named to more than 200
“Game of the Year” lists. The single player campaign alone has been enjoyed for more
than 113 million hours.
http://files.shareho...ngs_Release.pdf

From Shareholder Prepared comments Q4FY15

Dragon Age: Inquisition and Battlefield Hardline are both terrific examples of the focus we have
today. Moving launch dates is never easy, but we are committed to making the hard decisions
that will benefit our players. With Dragon Age: Inquisition, those extra weeks of polish allowed
BioWare to deliver a truly epic new experience. Not only did it win dozens of Game of the Year
awards, more importantly our players gave it the highest form of praise, with nearly 200 million
hours of Dragon Age: Inquisition played life-to-date.

 

page 2 of Prepared comments

 

http://files.shareho...ents_5-5-15.pdf

 

I think this documentation goes to prove that they didn't screw up, especially since those play numbers went up significantly.

[midnight tea]

I have to marvel at some people's insistence of how bad something is, to a point where its rather remarkable success is downplayed to effectiveness of marketing. Desperate, to say the least.

[TheOgre]

I have to marvel at some people's insistence of how bad something is, to a point where its rather remarkable success is downplayed to effectiveness of marketing. Desperate, to say the least.

I'll show you desperate when I have access to my desktop. I have a good gif somewhere.. Hint.. It involves anime.

[midnight tea]

I'll show you desperate when I have access to my desktop. I have a good gif somewhere.. Hint.. It involves anime.

 

It's okay. I have knights from old, nostalgic anime to protect me.

 

Spoiler

 

Bring it on

[TheOgre]

... That series was fun.

I don't know if my gif can overcome.

[midnight tea]

... That series was fun.

I don't know if my gif can overcome.

 

I loved the original series when I was younger - no Sailor Moon for me, I was team Saint Seiya..... even with its horrid French dub and censorship we got at first, when they aired it in local TV. Got intrigued that it was not just anime - which we didn't have a lot at that time over here - but that it's got its own spin on Greek mythology, among other things (for a budding anime fan and myth geek that was a rare treat).

 

Nowadays I find too many problems with the series to say that I adore it as much as I did (didn't watch anything past Hades arc and abysmal Overture, the movie), but I still look at it through thick, nostalgia-tinted glasses and refuse to remove them

[Dreadstruck]

... That series was fun.

I don't know if my gif can overcome.

 

What is the .gif? I am super curious now. Show us!

[TheOgre]

I lost the gif -.- 

 

Desperation nonetheless

[Torgette]

That's precisely it.

 

The Archdemon is a force of nature. It's not some moustache-twirling psychopath who exists merely to be outwitted by the heroes, or a supervillain from the Silver Age whose entire motivation boils down to "unresolved daddy issues." When you're facing the Archdemon, and indeed the darkspawn in general in Origins, you're basically fighting a tidal wave with swords; merciless, relentess, and driven to stop at nothing. True, the Archdemon doesn't show up much in Origins, but each of its appearances are just full of menace and threat. Conversely, Corypheus is basically Team Rocket; he shows up only to have his plans foiled. If nothing else, at least the Archdemon didn't get thwarted by a baseline geriatric, so it has that working in its favour.

 

This is actually something I expected to happen during my first playthrough of DAI. Having never played Dragon Age 2's DLC and not paying attention to anything Bioware since DA2 came out I knew nothing about Corypheus, so when he showed up it was a surprise to me and a "twist" from the beginning of the game's mysterious nature of the rifts (as somebody approaching this fresh). That said the fact that you so convincingly defeat him at every turn screamed to me "this guy must be a henchman for something far bigger" - that's when I got to the Well of Sorrows and we see the archdemon dragon and then later meet Mythal. That seemed like a great point in the game to really ramp up the story ME1-style with bigger and bigger things, but it doesn't ramp up at all. Instead meeting Mythal is just a brief Mr. Miyagi moment, the dragon is just a distraction, and the final boss fight just sort of "happens" - the end.

 

Saren is in the same boat in ME1 of "incompetent villian" until we learn that 1) he's being controlled by something far bigger and superior than you ever imagined and 2) he's not completely lost, adding to the complexity of his character. Corypheus needed something like that, but didn't get it.

 

That was my first thoughts upon first playing and finishing the game anyhow.