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[TheMutant]

So I'm feeling a bit low and wanted to see if I had reason to feel that way.

 

So last week I joined a Perilous frost dragon match with my level 15 Elementalist , who is far and away my best class (17 or so promotions- not much I know but I started playing MP only in February this year and I mostly play on weekends),  I've a number of Perilous and Perilous dragon victories under my belt with him. We'd been doing very solidly, the only death was, I confess, my own- just a brief lapse in judgement, I turned a corner into a gaggle of enemies and had no backup because I didn't realize that the rest of the group had peeled off to open up the treasure room before clearing the area. But all the enemies were dispatched rapidly, and I was giving a good accounting of myself outside of that one whoops moment. Either the group had no mics or were in a party chat, so I remained silent as well (I don't use my mic unless other people are talking). 

 

Then, partway through round 3, I get kicked from the game. Mildly distressed- that's not a common experience for me- I pinged a couple of them, asking if I'd done anything wrong or if they perhaps wanted to oust me so they might invite a friend instead (annoying, but fair enough). One of the guys didn't respond, one of them told me to get bent, and the last one gave me an answer - because they'd figured out I was playing an Elementalist without Barrier. Further questioning led the guy to dismiss me because, and I quote, 'your build is only about yourself'. 

 

So yeah, I mean, they weren't wrong- my favored elementalist build doesn't use Barrier- Guardian Spirit, of course, but no Barrier- (until the veerrrrry end- my level 18/19 points, since I've stopped using Firestorm.) I've just found that the build I use is what works best for me, pouring on the fire damage to keep them aflame and panicking and the ice damage to freeze enemies/set up Shatter opportunities. And it's not like I have no concern for my teammates! I stay with them, pick them up when they go down, drop fire walls between them and enemies and rain doom upon whatever's attacking them, but I don't invest the points to drop weak Elementalist barriers on them until the very end of my build. I know that there are really good Ele builds that people use with barrier (plus that passive that consumes your barrier to power things up) and firestorm, I'd never deny that (and lord knows I aint gonna try soloing Perilous any time soon), they just... make me less effective, personally. (And for what it's worth I NEVER leech; I don't touch Perilous until level 15 UNLESS given explicit permission by the group I'm in to promote and tag along)

 

So I dunno. Were these guys being unwarranted jerks, or should I stop playing Perilous? Feeling kinda afraid to show my face around that difficulty despite all my prior Perilous wins. ;/ Were all the groups I played and did well with probably disparaging me for my (mostly) lack of Barrier and just had the good grace to not boot me? I definitely don't want to be the weak link or seem like I'm not a team player.

[Yumi]

Bro,

Next time ping them this

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I run barrier on mine but it is only for my Ele, someone will get it if they are near me, I have no remorse for them. But no, to answer the OP, they were just being jerks. If you held your own and contributed there was no reason to kick you, keep doing perilous if you feel like you can handle it. Don't let a few people stop that.

[Gya]

Some people need to learn to cope without barrier. If they're playing in PuGs, they need to deal with it. If they can't deal with it, they need to get out of perilous. You should keep playing whichever way you enjoy.

A lot of people advocate leaving barrier out completely in fact. Others like to take it for chaotic focus fire mines, as you said. And I like to take it when PuGing because it keeps LEEEROY JEEENKINS pugs (and me) alive.

It's a game, we play it for fun. If you extract regularly, contribute to the team, and enjoy yourself, then screw what some idiots think.

[Minuos]

Unwarranted jerks. Elementalists don't need barrier. It takes some of the strain off when they do have it, but people shouldn't expect it. Same with Virtuoso. If you go into Perilous with an inability to survive without barrier, you're going to have a bad time. I should know. I've had bad times.

 

Basically, if they wanted a pocket barrier, they should have supplied it. So screw them. Play however you like.

[Yumi]

Or this:

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

It isn't a requirement to have barrier in pugs but why not bring it with you? Your missing out on a fair bit of support xp if you leave barrier out of pugs particularly in perilous...

[Yumi]

It isn't a requirement to have barrier in pugs but why not bring it with you? Your missing out on a fair bit of support xp if you leave barrier out of pugs particularly in perilous...

Maybe the extra XP isn't of concern for him.

The man can play how he wants ya know?

[Pork]

It isn't a requirement to have barrier in pugs but why not bring it with you? 

 

Oh I dunno, maybe for the same reason we don't all use the exact same cookie cutter optimal build for each and every class?

 

This is my ele build, has been for a while: 

 

 

I do like to switch it up to Chaotic Focus charged fire mines and immolate on occasion though. 

[Yumi]

^ I've been having way too much fun with chaotic focus

[Gya]

Oh I dunno, maybe for the same reason we don't all use the exact same cookie cutter optimal build for each and every class?

This is my ele build, has been for a while:

https://www.youtube....h?v=XZhXjGAX8jo

I do like to switch it up to Chaotic Focus charged fire mines and immolate on occasion though.

This is one of the reasons I love the elementalist; variety. There are so many viable builds that can kick butt on perilous. I like to use firestorm/firewall/barrier/stonefist. Sometimes I switch stonefist for fire mine. I want to try out the new, cheaper lightning bolt, but daaaayum dat cooldown time...

[Rundagutz]

eh, barrier isn't really necessary...  However, i would suggest firestorm.....  The reason is you get a ton of support xp by "touching" soooooooo many enemies.  More importantly, it serves as crowd control.  That being said, you shouldn't get kicked for playing your flavor of the ele mid game.  That's pretty crappy.

 

Just write down their names and don't play with them anymore.  

[ThatBruhYouDK]

This is one of the reasons I love the elementalist; variety. There are so many viable builds that can kick butt on perilous. I like to use firestorm/firewall/barrier/stonefist. Sometimes I switch stonefist for fire mine. I want to try out the new, cheaper lightning bolt, but daaaayum dat cooldown time...

I personally love Lightning Bolt, Upgraded, if used in a group of enemies, will plz the main target and knock down everyone else around him. And 12 sec. and with the cooldown modifiers is nothing

[Gya]

I personally love Lightning Bolt, Upgraded, if used in a group of enemies, will plz the main target and knock down everyone else around him. And 12 sec. and with the cooldown modifiers is nothing

I guess I'm spoilt by how spammable stonefist is. One day I'll branch out.

[Cirvante]

Elementalist without Barrier and Firestorm? Your build is bad and you should feel bad. 0/10, would kick mid-game.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Maybe the extra XP isn't of concern for him.
The man can play how he wants ya know?

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your forte?

[Gya]

Elementalist without Barrier and Firestorm? Your build is bad and you should feel bad. 0/10, would kick mid-game.

Nonsense. My ultimentalist build uses winter's grasp/stonefist/ice mine/flashfire. It's an excellent build, great for dominating perilous. Simply freeze enemies with winter's grasp or ice mine, use stonefist to not proc shatter because being bugged 6 months into the game is clearly working as intended, and then use flashfire because zomg 300% damage!

[Yumi]

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your forte?

everything on the Internet doesn't have to be a pi*sing match.

Everything isn't an attack either man. Keep doing your thang.

[Thadrial]

You do you man. Don't worry about that stuff. I'd be more bothered by the lost time than people thinking i'm bad.

[Shadohz]

 'your build is only about yourself'

 

TRANSLATION:

We effin suck and have no business playing on Perilous.

[ParthianShotX]

No.  You did not.  

[BreakJohn]

i wouldn't kick someone for something as silly as that, but i gotta say to me an elementalist without barrier is worthless. simply because you kill wayyyyyyyyyy too slow. seriously if you aren't dropping barrier in my lobby i don't need you(or the barrier for that matter). but i still wouldn't kick, maybe just leave the lobby after clearing. then again me and the guys i play with only play extremely fast kits to get sub 8 minute games nowadays. ain't no one got time for mages.(cept of course for the necro ) 

[coldsteelblue]

those guys that kicked you are nothing but a bunch of a*seholes, I've only ever done one perilous match so far & it was by accident:

what happened was that I dropped into a threatening match with a lv11 Ele, my build, winters grasp, immolate, firestorm & wall of flame & we moved as a great unit (no communication of any kind was needed), dominating the match, at the end I was speccing my 2 new ability points & didn't notice that the group leader had upped the difficulty, I only noticed when the countdown timer was on one. Anyway, although I was panicking (low number of promotions) the exact same thing happened as on the threatening match, we dominated, yes I went down, but not until the zone 5 thanks to me getting clipped by Spamson, but I was soon revived & we all extracted, oh & although where I place on the scoreboard at the end doesn't bother me, I came in second in case you're curious.

 

The group consisted of: Ele (me) a Keeper who seldom used barrier, a Karati & a Lego.

 

It was a good match & so, don't let anyone tell you your build is bad, working together & being able to read the battlefield is much more effective.

 

Just my thoughts.

[Kenny Bania]

**** em. Build the Ele however you like. 

[FNX Finest]

So I'm feeling a bit low and wanted to see if I had reason to feel that way.

 

So last week I joined a Perilous frost dragon match with my level 15 Elementalist , who is far and away my best class (17 or so promotions- not much I know but I started playing MP only in February this year and I mostly play on weekends),  I've a number of Perilous and Perilous dragon victories under my belt with him. We'd been doing very solidly, the only death was, I confess, my own- just a brief lapse in judgement, I turned a corner into a gaggle of enemies and had no backup because I didn't realize that the rest of the group had peeled off to open up the treasure room before clearing the area. But all the enemies were dispatched rapidly, and I was giving a good accounting of myself outside of that one whoops moment. Either the group had no mics or were in a party chat, so I remained silent as well (I don't use my mic unless other people are talking). 

 

Then, partway through round 3, I get kicked from the game. Mildly distressed- that's not a common experience for me- I pinged a couple of them, asking if I'd done anything wrong or if they perhaps wanted to oust me so they might invite a friend instead (annoying, but fair enough). One of the guys didn't respond, one of them told me to get bent, and the last one gave me an answer - because they'd figured out I was playing an Elementalist without Barrier. Further questioning led the guy to dismiss me because, and I quote, 'your build is only about yourself'. 

 

So yeah, I mean, they weren't wrong- my favored elementalist build doesn't use Barrier- Guardian Spirit, of course, but no Barrier- (until the veerrrrry end- my level 18/19 points, since I've stopped using Firestorm.) I've just found that the build I use is what works best for me, pouring on the fire damage to keep them aflame and panicking and the ice damage to freeze enemies/set up Shatter opportunities. And it's not like I have no concern for my teammates! I stay with them, pick them up when they go down, drop fire walls between them and enemies and rain doom upon whatever's attacking them, but I don't invest the points to drop weak Elementalist barriers on them until the very end of my build. I know that there are really good Ele builds that people use with barrier (plus that passive that consumes your barrier to power things up) and firestorm, I'd never deny that (and lord knows I aint gonna try soloing Perilous any time soon), they just... make me less effective, personally. (And for what it's worth I NEVER leech; I don't touch Perilous until level 15 UNLESS given explicit permission by the group I'm in to promote and tag along)

 

So I dunno. Were these guys being unwarranted jerks, or should I stop playing Perilous? Feeling kinda afraid to show my face around that difficulty despite all my prior Perilous wins. ;/ Were all the groups I played and did well with probably disparaging me for my (mostly) lack of Barrier and just had the good grace to not boot me? I definitely don't want to be the weak link or seem like I'm not a team player.

 

This is not a jab at anyone or how they play.  This is my observation from the amount of game time that I have.

 

Without even looking at their promotions and things, you can tell the caliber of team that you have.  The mini map can give you this information and you can react how you see fit.

 

1. I would give my minimap more attention as it would have saved your life here so I would try to get in the habit of that.

 

2.  Lets say you are playing on FC and you just started.  The door up the hill is a rogue door and your rogue b lines it for that door.  He expects the team to be ok with out him for a little while.  He knows it is a freebie door or if its not he knows he can handle the guardian himself.  He is playing efficiently and that is the type of player you want to add and play with.  These people that want to clear the entire zone as a group and then backtrack the entire zone yet again to get treasure rooms are a team I would avoid.  If a team is getting treasure rooms as a group as they come to them then they might not be very well equipped or new and that is just part of the process of becoming and efficient player.  So that is good in its own right. 

 

3. While barrier is good and can quite literally mean the difference between a win or a loss a team that crutches on it or expects you to be their babysitter because you CAN have barrier (on an ele) is a joke and nothing of value was lost by getting kicked by them.  Those are the type of whiney people that when they can't blame others they blame lag or whatever excuse is handy and not them.   Support xp is also great. I'm not the biggest fan of using barrier on my ele, but I do it.  I would also make fun of someone crying over barrier if I did not have it on my character and then tell them to play an ele themselves or a keeper if they need a barrier and I am not their babysitter.

 

4. You are a step ahead of most pugs. You should keep playing perilous and start adding people that a good and efficient.  Do this and before long you will be speed running perilous with your consistent group and all of the sudden perilous is easy mode. Although at some point you might decide barrier is something you want to go with because of the benefits and ease it makes the runs...at least until your promotions shoot up.

 

5.  I like immolate after the buff.  It's a good skill...especially if you have the ring, and it can also break the rare respawning pot that still happens.  I also like stonefist as then I can get my own shatter combos.  You can never get enough support XP.