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[TheOgre]

I hope you didn't steal mines lol

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[Nefla]

BioWare sucks at hair, it is known. That's not some kind of "feminist agenda." You'll notice that the beards suck as well.

[WildOrchid]

BioWare sucks at hair, it is known. That's not some kind of "feminist agenda." You'll notice that the beards suck as well.

 

Indeed.

I'm actually preparing for MEA hideous hair and beards and all.

[SnakeCode]

If the hair was a feminist/SJW agenda, you would only be able to choose between blue, pink, green or red hair.  

[Mushashi7]

DEEP WRINKLES AND V-SHAPED EYEBROWS?

I think Bioware did a pretty good job with the character creation in general.

You have a solid base to create faces that is within the range of normal skeletons. Even the qunari has a standard. And you have the options to make them all look more or less human if you wish.

What we could ask for is the option to exceed the standard skeleton and curves. I miss better eyebrows. There are some decent amongst them, but the 'devil' brows is not present (those that forms a V).

And I really would like to have more complexion options for creating OLD people. Not just middelaged. I wanted to play with a very old 'Gandalf' style mage. It is not possible. You can make a male mage look pretty old by chosing large grey beards and color the eyebrows grey or white. But the OLD look is not really there.
I find the idea of an old inquisitor appealing. Maybe even perfect.

Someone mentioned it is hard to create a happy/merry/smiling face. It is not impossible, but hard. It takes you a while to place the sliders to achieve this.
The eyes have to be wide and a bit closed, as eyes tend to look like this when the muscles are activated in a smile.
The mouth follows the same ides, but should also be a little wider - without big blobbery lips. Lips are also streched in a smile.
The nostrils in the nose often tend to point a tiny bit in V-form or enlarged a bit away from the nose. At the same time the bringe muscles are activated.
Eyebrows are raised if it is a very happy smile. It looks positive. Lowered eyebrows makes a face a face look sad or serious.
The hard thing is to realise that you can't have ALL expressions and characteristics at the same time. You have to chose. You can't create a serious and determined expression and also a merry and positive at the same time.

So, maybe a complexion with deep wrinkles and some V-shaped eyebrows perhaps?

[Grieving Natashina]

I gotta admit, that pic needs some subtitles a la: "I want to see what's inside your heart. Let me get the murder knife."

Nah, not for that pic.  She's actually happy in that scene.   I have one where she has the "get the murderknife" look.

 

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_{This is the angriest picture I have of her and of course, she's talking to Bianca.}  

[BansheeOwnage]

4. The Val Royeaux ball - Leliana, Vivienne and Josie and all these "feminine" uniforms...

So, as a comparison, you'd say that no women in the military or police (or a plethora of other uniformed jobs) could ever be feminine?

 

Monolids is an outdated and incorrect term for something called epicanthic folds; an epicanthic fold is a skin fold of the upper eyelid, covering the inner corner of the eye. There are various factors that influence whether someone has epicanthic folds, includin geographical ancestry, age and certain medical conditions. They are most common in Asia and you may known them better as "asian eyes" because that is who the trait is mostly associated with. In actuality, the trait is displayed with people from Africa and Scandinavia as well as the indigenous people known as the Inuit so it is not solely tied to Asia.

 

The Monolid term stems John Langdon Down's research into the Down Syndrome in which he percieved that children with Down Syndrome exhibited shared facial similarities (epicanthic folds) with those of the Blumenbach's Mongolian race hence why he choose to classify the condition as "mongoloid", though it has sometimes been referred to as "mongol" or "mongoloid idiot". It is now considered pejorative and inaccurate.

 

 Source: "Epicanthic fold" - Wikipedia

Thank you!

[Saphiron123]

So, as a comparison, you'd say that no women in the military or police (or a plethora of other uniformed jobs) could ever be feminine?

 

Thank you!

Not in the uniforms bioware gave us, yeesh. My characters look like nutcrackers. Nobody could be sexy in that.

[Shechinah]

Not in the uniforms bioware gave us, yeesh. My characters look like nutcrackers. Nobody could be sexy in that.

You ain't rocking it right then.

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Not in the uniforms bioware gave us, yeesh. My characters look like nutcrackers. Nobody could be sexy in that.

Thinking that a woman can't be feminine because they wear a certain uniform is silly. Besides, I didn't say "sexy", I said "feminine". Completely different. As for the second part...

 

You ain't rocking it right then.

Indeed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the outfit and want more control over what we wear to the ball, but I thought my Inquisitor looked snazzy enough in it.

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Of course, the tinting I did helps. Too bad you can't do that before the ball...

[Vit246]

Someone please explain this "Brevnau" thing to me and why this thread is worthy of derision gifs. I seemed to have missed one of "these threads".

[Shechinah]

Someone please explain this "Brevnau" thing to me and why this thread is worthy of derision gifs. I seemed to have missed one of "these threads".

 

Oh well, it is because of this- V! It's VickVeel, get 'im!
 

Joking aside, it is a bit of a longer explaination but the short explaination is that a poster named Brevnau, believed to be a troll, created more than one thread and posted more than a few comments of how the women in Inquisition did not resemble women to him and that Cassandra due to her cheekbones were clearly male. Note, this was a request that the next installment include a conventionally attractive love interest nor was this portrayed as an opinion: This was meant as being a factual statement.

 

After Brevnau had disappeared, a series of users began to crop up whose writing and thread seemed to resemble Brevnau and seemed to be specifically geared towards needling the community. This led to a common reaction towards threads complaning about the attractiveness of the Inquisition's female characters being hostility.

 

Sometimes it was someone genuinely unaware of what had happened and other times, it was someone specifically aiming to needle the community to the point where they even remade and spammed threads because one of their prior threads did not invoke the level of hostility they wanted.

 

It eventually cooled down enough to produce calm and interesting discussion especially after the community adapted by either using it to share gifs with each other or turned the thread into a genuine and relatively-calm discussions such as the "boob armor"-thread.

 

Yes, that was the short explaination. We now conclude our "History of BSN: The "Cassandra is a man"-section.

 

Personally, I doubt this is such a case since the opening post seem genuine but does not claim factuality but we'll know soon enough since spamming and claims of factuality is the uncreative way of most trolls trying to invoke hostility. Well, the bad trolls.  

[BSpud]

Did you enjoy getting your last thread locked over at the Fallout 4 forums the other day, Brevnau/Luzarius/VickVeel/WTFever?

[BansheeOwnage]

Did you enjoy getting your last thread locked over at the Fallout 4 forums the other day, Brevnau/Luzarius/VickVeel/WTFever?

I don't think that thread particularly needed to stay open, but I am annoyed at the mods' incessant use of stock phrases to justify closing threads. Almost all they ever say is "This discussion has run its course." Uh... okay? Actually make a short paragraph explaining how, please. Anyway, continue.

[TheOgre]

Thinking that a woman can't be feminine because they wear a certain uniform is silly. Besides, I didn't say "sexy", I said "feminine". Completely different. As for the second part...

Indeed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the outfit and want more control over what we wear to the ball, but I thought my Inquisitor looked snazzy enough in it.

Spoiler

Of course, the tinting I did helps. Too bad you can't do that before the ball...

The copy paste of those uniforms were so lame I was excited when I got to the "Kill" part of the ball.

[SnakeCode]

*Big snip*

 

After Brevnau had disappeared, a series of users began to crop up whose writing and thread seemed to resemble Brevnau and seemed to be specifically geared towards needling the community. This led to a common reaction towards threads complaning about the attractiveness of the Inquisition's female characters being hostility.

 

To be fair, this was happening long before Brevnau created his first thread on the subject.

[Grieving Natashina]

To be fair, this was happening long before Brevnau created his first thread on the subject.

Brevnau started his thread spree in January.  I think the "Cass is ugly" threads go back to Alpha, so about summer of last year.  That particular poster just made us all incredibly burned out on the subject.

 

As far as the topic goes, I didn't have any problems with creating a feminine character.  I'm down with more CC options, especially for hair as well as face codes.  That's really the only part of the OP I agreed with.  The DA games could use a face code system, or some other way to save and load your own created faces.

[TheOgre]

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This must not be a true Not-Brevnau, More gifs surely would have come out in force.

 

The hair is my only real problem with CC, and the faces for the Qunari are too human looking, maybe that will change with DA4.

[SnakeCode]

Brevnau started his thread spree in January.  I think the "Cass is ugly" threads go back to Alpha, so about summer of last year.  That particular poster just made us all incredibly burned out on the subject.

 

As far as the topic goes, I didn't have any problems with creating a feminine character.  I'm down with more CC options, especially for hair as well as face codes.  That's really the only part of the OP I agreed with.  The DA games could use a face code system, or some other way to save and load your own created faces.

 

Yup, these kinds of threads were around since pre-release. Even then though they were, without exception, met with derision, hostility and trolling even though some definitely didn't deserve that kind of response. So I don't think Brevnau was the catalyst for that kind of behaviour.

 

To boot those who trolled those threads usually ended up successfully getting them locked, which I found to be annoying. The modding discrepancy

is what irked me. If people trolled for example, the Gay KISA thread they would have their posts removed and the thread would remain open. If people trolled a thread asking for different types of LIs for straight guys though, then the mods would lock the thread. I made a pretty lengthy, slightly ranty post about it at the time. Multiple in fact.

[Grieving Natashina]

<shrug>  I've also seen and participated in several threads requesting different options for straight LIs that weren't locked.  The difference was the tone.  For instance, CDR Cousland did a thread awhile back asking for that very thing.  He was civil, polite and didn't start yelling out "SJW" or "Dem ladies are ugly!"  He was asking for more options in a polite tone.  He (among myself and others) noticed things like both of the options for the straight male character being very pro-Chantry.  Steelcan was asking for his blonde lady LI that he'd like.  The thread only died due to people not posting.  It was never locked.  That's just one example off of the top of my head and I've seen a lot more than that over the last 18 months.

 

It's the threads that start with, "Cass looks like a man!" "Stop catering to the gays!" and "BioWare hates straight men" that get flamed.  The very tone starts out extremely hostile.  The poster we've been talking about was just extra special, with "objective science" and too much photoshop.  If anyone starts a thread that's going, "Hey, I wasn't a big fan of my options, can we get some variety?," without jumping to the "ugly" or "SJW' conclusion,  I always support it.  I've seen several other posters the same way.

 

We all have requests.  I think we can do without insulting characters or each other, and just state what we want.  I participate in those threads, and I will speak up if someone tries to flame an OP of such a thread if the OP has been civil.  Everyone has the privilege on the forums (posting here isn't a right for any of us here) to politely state what we want, no matter what.  However, if they immediately come into it acting hostile, or becomes more aggressive after polite posts, it's gonna get locked due to posters ripping each other apart.  It's not the content that leads to those threads getting locked.  One of the former poster's threads asking for a Cass mod is still open right now.  It's the way we act, for better and for worse, is why those threads get locked. 

[SnakeCode]

I think you're wrong here, i've seen plenty of threads where the OP was being civil that were immediately flamed or spammed to death with snarky gifs. So I'm almost certain that tone wasn't the only reason people were trolling those kinds of threads. And to be clear, i'm well aware that there were plenty of bait threads where the OP was looking to start a fight, and those did need to be locked.

 

I know i'm not the only one who has seen people get attacked despite making perfectly benign requests though.

[Rawgrim]

A gif is a poor replacement for creativity. It is like someone writing an insult for you.

[Grieving Natashina]

I honestly wouldn't read into it too much.  I don't flame folks with a civil request and I hope you've seen by now that I will encourage others to cool it if they are.  I don't think it's some sort of grand conspiracy behind the mods or BioWare.   All I know is that if someone starts a thread asking for different options, and not demanding extra options, I don't care.  None of us, LGBT or otherwise, deserve more romances.  If they are going to include them, then I will support more equality for options.  I think DA:I did a fine job, and say, if straight guys get the extra romances over straight or gay players, it doesn't bother me (though I would prefer that extra going to gay and/or lesbian players.)  We don't deserve them though.  It's a privilege given to us by the writers and devs and one they might remove any time.  

 

Requests for archetypes are an entirely different matter imho. Putting up ideas like "blonde, looks more like Natalie Dormer, and not pro-Chantry" or "gay knight" doesn't have the same attachment as "BioWare hates straight men" (seriously, I've seen that as as thread topic.)  

 

Sidenote: I use gifs as a substitute for facial expressions, most of the time.  Smilies only go so far and I tend to use gifs sparingly.  My only complaint is folks not using spoiler tags, especially when they quote people that used a gif.

[SnakeCode]

Yup, you're one of the good ones.   

[TheOgre]

I think you're wrong here, i've seen plenty of threads where the OP was being civil that were immediately flamed or spammed to death with snarky gifs. So I'm almost certain that tone wasn't the only reason people were trolling those kinds of threads. And to be clear, i'm well aware that there were plenty of bait threads were the OP was looking to start a fight, and those did need to be locked.

 

I know i'm not the only one who has seen people get attacked despite making perfectly benign requests though.

 

I remember one, can't remember the title, where the OP was respectful and it was met with "Your options are fine as they are, you had your rebel without a cause already". Like it was a sin to request something different than two very similar romance tropes.