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[Iakus]

 

 

That depends on the entire technological premise of the space station discharge facillities as mentioned in the codex. I have seen no further explaination of the tech but logic states that they must be able to bleed out the static discharge either naturally or through other means.

 

Given the context of using planets and magnetic fields, the facilities seem to be something akin to a lightning rod, grounding out a charge in a location without any people or important systems.  

 

Keep in mind the description doesn't say they discharge into the base themselves, only that there are facilities present for visiting ships.  

[jennamarae]

There is a line from Kolyat in the citadel dlc about how the Salarian counselor Valern had recently spoken publicly about the importance of continuing to find scientific research during times of war. It was said in reference to Kolyat wanting to ask him to fund research into Drell specific illnesses so whether it ties into whatever gets us to Andromeda, I don't know. But at the least it suggests that some funding and resources were held back for other endeavors and not everything was being sent to build the crucible. The majority probably, but not everything.

[DarthSliver]

You know if the Ark theory is right I just thought of something neat they could do, but it goes with the showcase of Fallout 4 character gender option being shown lol. Maybe the Ark could be a generation ship by time it reaches Andromeda or by the time we take control of our character. So in this case our character would then have a spouse of the other gender we didn't choose, there would then be something that goes wrong and kills our spouse so we of course have romance options with another human or Aliens lol. 

 

But really the Ark could be a generation ship by time we take control of our character and there could be history we of course will need to discover if we wish to know of the history. 

[Spacepunk01]

The ME civilization could take all the precautions in the world, but nothing can prepare you for a galactic "extinction" event. "Hey, let's make Andromeda our safety escape, in case the entire Milky Way is attacked by hyper-advanced machines."

 

We know that the Prothean's managed to imitate - and create a miniature Mass Relay, and they also contributet to the Crucible project. I don't know, but from what I remember the Crucible project was millions of years in the making. Could the same thing be said for a massive intergalactic relocation process?

[Drone223]

 

I said the main problem was access to materials. Since you say the quarians are some of the best, why can't they repair their ships to full functionality?

 

Lack of materials.

 

tldr: They be too poor to buy stuff.

 

The quarians were sent on the pilgrimage to find anything of value (materials being among them) its safe to say they manage to get their materials one way or the other.

 

Sure thing. No way to reverse engineer those reaper weapons too.

 

tldr: Thannix cannons.

 

The thannix cannon and a reaper drive core are two completely different things. The former is much more simpler in design while the latter is more complicated with engineers having no idea how the thing works.

 

Ok so how does a space station discharge static? They tow the space station (eg the citadel) to a planet? Or they tow a planet to the citadel?

 

tldr: You cannot say something has to occur when the codex itself says another method is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

Thats why calculations are done before the ark is launched with a buffer for accidents and emergencies. You don't seriously think the space programs on earth launch rockets by guessing the amount of fuel required?!? Once there, scout ships FTL to various systems to find gas giants. Smarter ones will send in SKIMMER scout ships so they can refuel when they find a giant

 

tldr: Everything is planned.

 

Keep in mind there can be no room for error a simple miscalculation may end up jeopardizing the entire plan.

 

 

 

 

Of course it is hard. Thats why the main authority has to parcel out limited resources. Said authority didn't see a need to get gabby, daniels and tali from your ship and tell you to get garrus to be the engineer so they must see you as important enough to let you have your engineers.

 

tldr: Nothing is free but high priorities always gets stuff and low prorities have to suck their thumbs

 

Its quite obvious that the crucible and the war effort are the highest priorities since they already have the most resources committed to them and changes aren't going to go unnoticed for long.

 

 

 

These points are lumped together because they keep missing the point.

 

No one cares if they recruit people because there has to be PEOPLE TO RECRUIT. If every last one is sucking vacuum because of a hull breech or out of water after planetfall, i'm sure everyone will be talking about how cerberus is going to kill non humans instead of talking about where to get water or how not to suck vacuum.

 

As for history, do you seriously think that cerberus existed when the first guy thought up the entire idea? Jack harper was not cerberus because ceberus did not exist until he created it. How about if a turian came up with a "turians number one" idea? Or an asari came up with a "asaris are the best" idea?

 

No chances should be taken since its better to deal with the problem before it has a chance to happen. The same applies to extremist from any other species they should be dealt with before hand so they don't cause trouble in the future.

[Drone223]

There is a line from Kolyat in the citadel dlc about how the Salarian counselor Valern had recently spoken publicly about the importance of continuing to find scientific research during times of war. It was said in reference to Kolyat wanting to ask him to fund research into Drell specific illnesses so whether it ties into whatever gets us to Andromeda, I don't know. But at the least it suggests that some funding and resources were held back for other endeavors and not everything was being sent to build the crucible. The majority probably, but not everything.

I don't think it'll be enough though given the nature of the endeavor.

[Computron2000]

Given the context of using planets and magnetic fields, the facilities seem to be something akin to a lightning rod, grounding out a charge in a location without any people or important systems.  

 

Keep in mind the description doesn't say they discharge into the base themselves, only that there are facilities present for visiting ships.  

 

The entire premise i am basing on is that of visiting ships. There is nowhere for a ship to discharge in a space station other than the station itself. This means the station accumulates static discharge (same manner as a ship) and must have some way to dissipate it or the accumulated charge or it will build up into a destructive force. Since ships can come and go within hours or even minutes (ME3), the accumulated charge for such a high flow of ships would overwhelm structures even as large as the citadel. Applied to smaller stations (non citadel), much less ships would be required before discharge builds up

 

Following this flow, this means the station has some method of removing the accumulated static either naturally bleeding it out or through some sort of sacrifical storage. Again this particular vague entry in the codex allows for static handling without additional ass pulling, though naturally they would have to expand on the actual method used.

[Computron2000]

Since its obvious that answers are useless for those that will not listen and i really really hate circular arguments

 

Answer the following

 

The quarians were sent on the pilgrimage to find anything of value (materials being among them) its safe to say they manage to get their materials one way or the other.

 

So then why are their ships in poor condition? Surely they hve the skill (according to you)? Sure they have the materials (according to you)?

 

So why?

 

 

The thannix cannon and a reaper drive core are two completely different things. The former is much more simpler in design while the latter is more complicated with engineers having no idea how the thing works.

 

Who said the thannix cannon is "simpler in design"? How do you know the reaper drive is "more complicated"?

 

Keep in mind there can be no room for error a simple miscalculation may end up jeopardizing the entire plan.

 

Let me quote my own post

 

Thats why calculations are done before the ark is launched with a buffer for accidents and emergencies. 

 

What does buffer for accidents and emergencies mean?

 

Do you think that in RL, space programs ask 10 year old kids to calculate their fuel requirements?

 

If no, then who is asked to calculate it instead?

 

Are these selected people the best chance of getting it right?

 

If not, why are these people being asked to do it? Because the janitor was not free?

 

If yes, then do you think that getting anyone else would increase the chance of getting it right?

 

 

Its quite obvious that the crucible and the war effort are the highest priorities since they already have the most resources committed to them and changes aren't going to go unnoticed for long.

 

So who notices it?

 

So who actually CARES thats its being "noticed".

 

What will these people who "noticed" it DO?

 

Will the entire mission to get survivors into andromeda FAIL because people who noticed it DO THE ABOVE ACTION?

 

No chances should be taken since its better to deal with the problem before it has a chance to happen. The same applies to extremist from any other species they should be dealt with before hand so they don't cause trouble in the future.

 

So there is a chance someone in your friend decides that his race/sex/education level/religion/whatever is the best or deserves everything which he tells you after a day at work where his supervisor (who has a different race/sex/education level/religon/whatever) has reprimanded him

 

This could lead to the person spreading this.

If its spreads, it could lead to an organization.

The organization could become large scale

After becoming significant in size, the organization could turn extremist and commit terrorist actions

 

 

Do you shoot your friend right now?

 

Then we apply the same reasoning of "could" to everyone else including your family. Do you shoot everyone? 

 

Then we apply the same reason of "could" to yourself. Do you shoot yourself?

[Drone223]

 

So then why are their ships in poor condition? Surely they hve the skill (according to you)? Sure they have the materials (according to you)?

 

So why?

 

The ships have been in non-stop sue for over 300 years its a miracle that they are still functional since wear and tear would have taken it toll on the ship.

 

 

Who said the thannix cannon is "simpler in design"? How do you know the reaper drive is "more complicated"?

 

The reaper drive core violates all the known laws of physics, if they don't understand how the thing works then its going to be very hard to reverse engineer it. the thanix cannon is a lot easier to work since they understand how it functions.

 

 

Let me quote my own post

 

Thats why calculations are done before the ark is launched with a buffer for accidents and emergencies. 

 

What does buffer for accidents and emergencies mean?

 

Do you think that in RL, space programs ask 10 year old kids to calculate their fuel requirements?

 

If no, then who is asked to calculate it instead?

 

Are these selected people the best chance of getting it right?

 

If not, why are these people being asked to do it? Because the janitor was not free?

 

If yes, then do you think that getting anyone else would increase the chance of getting it right?

 

I never said the people who did the calculations are idiots, but the risk of "human error" will always be their.

 

 

 

So who notices it?

 

So who actually CARES thats its being "noticed".

 

What will these people who "noticed" it DO?

 

Will the entire mission to get survivors into andromeda FAIL because people who noticed it DO THE ABOVE ACTION?

 

People wouldn't want resources wasted on tangible projects. If they resources aren't being sent to the crucible or the war effort people will want a very good reason why they aren't being used for either of those.

 

 

So there is a chance someone in your friend decides that his race/sex/education level/religion/whatever is the best or deserves everything which he tells you after a day at work where his supervisor (who has a different race/sex/education level/religon/whatever) has reprimanded him

 

This could lead to the person spreading this.

If its spreads, it could lead to an organization.

The organization could become large scale

After becoming significant in size, the organization could turn extremist and commit terrorist actions

 

 

Do you shoot your friend right now?

 

Then we apply the same reasoning of "could" to everyone else including your family. Do you shoot everyone? 

 

Then we apply the same reason of "could" to yourself. Do you shoot yourself?

 

Its good practice to take precautions for anything that can happen. Knowing a person's political affiliation's and psychological profile can help identify possible extremist so they can be isolated, imprisoned or dealt since there will certainly be law enforcement needed.

 

Since neither of use will be able to convince the other then there's no need to continue with arguing.

[Computron2000]

 

The ships have been in non-stop sue for over 300 years its a miracle that they are still functional since wear and tear would have taken it toll on the ship.

 

Can "wear and tear" areas be replaced?

 

If yes, then again, why are their ships not fully functional?

 

The reaper drive core violates all the known laws of physics, if they don't understand how the thing works then its going to be very hard to reverse engineer it. the thanix cannon is a lot easier to work since they understand how it functions.

 

Does the standard in game mass effect drive itself "violates all known laws of physics" (unless you can currently reduce mass in RL which case you can win the nobel prize)?

 

Does the reaper drive work on reducing mass?

 

Does the normal FTL drive also work on reducing mass?

 

Is the basis of both technologies the same?

 

And again (with actual backup instead of just making things up), where is it said that the thannix cannons were "a lot easier"?

 

I never said the people who did the calculations are idiots, but the risk of "human error" will always be their.

 

Accidental detonation of a few modern nuclear weapons could render the earth uninhabitable. Surely we must somehow remove completely "human error" from these scenerios (perhaps by having the systems run by animals instead)?

 

If "human error" cannot be removed completely, then what relevance does it have to a plan?

 

Are buffers and extra fuel mitigations to "human error"?

 

If your best people are on the job, can you further reduce "human error"?

 

People wouldn't want resources wasted on tangible projects. If they resources aren't being sent to the crucible or the war effort people will want a very good reason why they aren't being used for either of those.

 

And who are this "people"?

 

What are they going to do if the powers-that-be ignore them?

 

Perhaps do some demostrations (with placards of course) while ignoring the husks humping them and the building collapsing from reaper beams?

 

Or maybe shoot the troops that are defending them from the reapers to show the powers-that-be that the "people" mean business?

 

Or maybe organise the overthrow of a government running a losing war against an unstoppable enemy, just to lose the war faster?

 

Its good practice to take precautions for anything that can happen. Knowing a person's political affiliation's and psychological profile can help identify possible extremist so they can be isolated, imprisoned or dealt since there will certainly be law enforcement needed.

 

Well if johnny from next door has a friend who knows someone who supported some terrorist organization, then obviously we need to isolate and imprison johnny.

 

Then there's dave, whose records show he donated to a charity that secretly channels funds to some terrorist organization. Dave must be dealt with immediately.

 

Also tom's psychological profile after the death of his entire family except the youngest of his three children, to a carpet bombing incident obviously shows he's going to take revenge and do some terrorist action. He must then be arrested and isolated

 

Since neither of use will be able to convince the other then there's no need to continue with arguing.

 

Sure as long as i stop getting circular answers.

[Iakus]

 

 

The entire premise i am basing on is that of visiting ships. There is nowhere for a ship to discharge in a space station other than the station itself. 

 

This means the station accumulates static discharge (same manner as a ship) and must have some way to dissipate it or the accumulated charge or it will build up into a destructive force. Since ships can come and go within hours or even minutes (ME3), the accumulated charge for such a high flow of ships would overwhelm structures even as large as the citadel. Applied to smaller stations (non citadel), much less ships would be required before discharge builds up

 

 

 

 

Or a separate (automated) facility built near the station.

 

 

Following this flow, this means the station has some method of removing the accumulated static either naturally bleeding it out or through some sort of sacrifical storage. Again this particular vague entry in the codex allows for static handling without additional ass pulling, though naturally they would have to expand on the actual method used.

 

Again assuming the facility is built into the station and not a separate area.  Heck the facility could be just a massive lump of metal, or a nearby asteroid.

[Computron2000]

Or a separate (automated) facility built near the station.

 

 

Again assuming the facility is built into the station and not a separate area.  Heck the facility could be just a massive lump of metal, or a nearby asteroid.

 

 

If it is indeed a separate facillity it makes the entire premise even easier. The facillity would not be as large as the space station or you could see it near the citadel. If it is only asteroid sized, then static discharge is not a problem at all. Carry an asteroid as cargo. Release it. Discharge. Put it back into the cargo hold.

 

Spotted the problem of that flow? The asteroid/sized facillity still has to be able to bleed out or dump the static or any additional ships trying to discharge into the asteroid would then get fried by the static already in the asteroid. If the response is that there a ton of asteroids, then that would mean space stations would only be built in asteroid belts AND ships attempting to dock would then have to fry themselves if all the asteroids are in use.

 

Regardless of how you spin it, the space station discharge facillities must have the capablility to get rid of the charge meaning the tech is there

[JasonShepard]

If it is indeed a separate facillity it makes the entire premise even easier. The facillity would not be as large as the space station or you could see it near the citadel. If it is only asteroid sized, then static discharge is not a problem at all. Carry an asteroid as cargo. Release it. Discharge. Put it back into the cargo hold.

 

Spotted the problem of that flow? The asteroid/sized facillity still has to be able to bleed out or dump the static or any additional ships trying to discharge into the asteroid would then get fried by the static already in the asteroid. If the response is that there a ton of asteroids, then that would mean space stations would only be built in asteroid belts AND ships attempting to dock would then have to fry themselves if all the asteroids are in use.

 

Regardless of how you spin it, the space station discharge facillities must have the capablility to get rid of the charge meaning the tech is there

 

The discharge has to go somewhere.

 

The simplest explanation for space stations is that they have an automated ship that regularly travels between the discharge facilities and the nearest planetary body, discharging into the atmosphere, then returning to the station. Note how almost every station we see is within a planetary system.

 

(I can only think of 3 exceptions - the Geth heretic station, Kronos, and the Citadel. Kronos might be discharging into the local star, the Citadel could probably just discharge into the local nebula. How exactly the Heretics are managing is unclear, unless their automated craft is simply taking a longer journey than most.)

 

If that's the case, it still doesn't help the Ark fleet. You simply can't discharge into the vacuum of space - there's nothing to carry the charge. Anything being carried with the fleet will just build up charge, as you've pointed out with the asteroid-in-the-cargo-hold idea.

 

The discharge has to go somewhere. It can't go to something being carried with the fleet, it can't go into the void of space - so any Ark fleet would have to plot their course to include locations en-route where they can discharge.

 

And unfortunately, there are very few intergalactic stars between the Milky Way and Andromeda.

[DarthSliver]

The discharge has to go somewhere.

 

The simplest explanation for space stations is that they have an automated ship that regularly travels between the discharge facilities and the nearest planetary body, discharging into the atmosphere, then returning to the station. Note how almost every station we see is within a planetary system.

 

(I can only think of 3 exceptions - the Geth heretic station, Kronos, and the Citadel. Kronos might be discharging into the local star, the Citadel could probably just discharge into the local nebula. How exactly the Heretics are managing is unclear, unless their automated craft is simply taking a longer journey than most.)

 

If that's the case, it still doesn't help the Ark fleet. You simply can't discharge into the vacuum of space - there's nothing to carry the charge. Anything being carried with the fleet will just build up charge, as you've pointed out with the asteroid-in-the-cargo-hold idea.

 

The discharge has to go somewhere. It can't go to something being carried with the fleet, it can't go into the void of space - so any Ark fleet would have to plot their course to include locations en-route where they can discharge.

 

And unfortunately, there are very few intergalactic stars between the Milky Way and Andromeda.

 why not shoot the discharges off through the weapons?

[Computron2000]

The discharge has to go somewhere.

 

The simplest explanation for space stations is that they have an automated ship that regularly travels between the discharge facilities and the nearest planetary body, discharging into the atmosphere, then returning to the station. Note how almost every station we see is within a planetary system.

 

(I can only think of 3 exceptions - the Geth heretic station, Kronos, and the Citadel. Kronos might be discharging into the local star, the Citadel could probably just discharge into the local nebula. How exactly the Heretics are managing is unclear, unless their automated craft is simply taking a longer journey than most.)

 

If that's the case, it still doesn't help the Ark fleet. You simply can't discharge into the vacuum of space - there's nothing to carry the charge. Anything being carried with the fleet will just build up charge, as you've pointed out with the asteroid-in-the-cargo-hold idea.

 

The discharge has to go somewhere. It can't go to something being carried with the fleet, it can't go into the void of space - so any Ark fleet would have to plot their course to include locations en-route where they can discharge.

 

And unfortunately, there are very few intergalactic stars between the Milky Way and Andromeda.

The problem with the automated craft idea is that the craft's size constrains the amount of static it can hold (or else any ship could hold infinite charge and there would not be a problem).

 

Lets say the craft is the size of a dreadnought and that a station has 10 of these craft.

Any time the traffic to and from a station exceeds 10 x the time required to travel to a planet, the facillities are overwhelmed.

 

As for the discharge having to go somewhere, in a previous post i already speculated that the charge is bled off naturally (http://www.universet...icity-in-space/) or a significant piece of mass is used to store the discharge and ejected (meaning you need a number of these). Both have obvious problems (time and space) which would make it a good reason why the facillities are only used in massive structures instead of ships.

 

Regardless of the actual implementation (or lack of), the presence of the tech within the codex already allows for a discharge mechanism without ass pulling. It "merely" has to be the size of a space station, which coincidentally, a ark ship would fit very well.

[Torgette]

Build the ark on an asteroid or use a wormhole, build a drive using Sovereign's reaper core, *boom* done.

 

I don't get why the ME community hates the idea of folding space through a wormhole though, it works for other science fiction, don't know why it wouldn't eventually work for ME.

 

Also really, who cares.

[JasonShepard]

The problem with the automated craft idea is that the craft's size constrains the amount of static it can hold (or else any ship could hold infinite charge and there would not be a problem).

 

Lets say the craft is the size of a dreadnought and that a station has 10 of these craft.

Any time the traffic to and from a station exceeds 10 x the time required to travel to a planet, the facillities are overwhelmed.

 

Of course. That just means that busier stations need more discharge buggies. The facilities would probably build up some excess charge during their busier times, and could bleed that off in their down time. (And they could always forcibly close the station if the static build-up got really high, and re-open once they've gotten the station sufficiently discharged.)

 

As for the discharge having to go somewhere, in a previous post i already speculated that the charge is bled off naturally (http://www.universet...icity-in-space/) or a significant piece of mass is used to store the discharge and ejected (meaning you need a number of these). Both have obvious problems (time and space) which would make it a good reason why the facillities are only used in massive structures instead of ships.

 

Regarding the ejecting mass idea - I'm putting together a separate answer regarding that. I think there actually is a way to make that work - but only because the Mass Effect core itself is what builds up the charge. And it's going to result in quite a bit of space littering.

 

Natural bleed off will occur. Space isn't 100% empty - intergalactic dust does exist, but it's at about 1 atom per cubic meter. For comparison, Earth's air has an atomic density of about 50 septillion atoms per cubic meter (I've divided the density of air by the mass of a nitrogen atom to get that figure, in case you want to check my maths ).

 

So, at a rough estimate, a starship would take 50 septillion times longer to discharge in intergalactic space compared to discharging in the Earth's atmosphere. If it took a second to discharge at Earth, it would take 1.5 quintillion years to discharge in intergalactic space. That's a trillion times longer than the current age of the universe. Discharging by intergalactic dust literally takes forever.

 

Regardless of the actual implementation (or lack of), the presence of the tech within the codex already allows for a discharge mechanism without ass pulling. It "merely" has to be the size of a space station, which coincidentally, a ark ship would fit very well.

 

I'm saying the laws of physics don't allow something the size of a space station to magically discard its static electricity. The charge has to end up somewhere. And in that context, size only matters because it allows you to build up more charge overall before it becomes a problem.

[Iakus]

 

Regarding the ejecting mass idea - I'm putting together a separate answer regarding that. I think there actually is a way to make that work - but only because the Mass Effect core itself is what builds up the charge. And it's going to result in quite a bit of space littering.

 

I'm thinking storing it as thermal energy via heat sinks or something similar, discarding them as they are used up.

 

But yeah, that a frikking lot of space ship-sized thermal clips to leave lying around

[JasonShepard]

As for the discharge having to go somewhere ... a significant piece of mass is used to store the discharge and ejected (meaning you need a number of these).

 

 why not shoot the discharges off through the weapons?

 

Through the weapons wouldn't work. There's no way to transfer the static charge to them, and concentrating the static charge into a package the size of a starship's ammunition would require a ludicrous amount of energy. Static electricity works on a inverse square force law - it doesn't like being concentrated.

 

But I think a method like this could work.

 

At first I felt that the energy requirements of taking an entire ship's static electricity, focusing it into a package, and then discarding it, would always be too high. But there's a loophole - the static electricity is already focused for us. It builds up on the Mass Effect drive.

 

As an extreme solution, you could just build a whole load of Mass Effect engines, use one until the charge on it becomes too high, then discard the entire drive and switch out for another.

 

A cheaper solution is to insulate your mass effect drive from the rest of the ship, and periodically let it discharge onto metal packages of the same mass as the drive, before discarding the packages. Each time you do so, you'll halve the charge on the drive (it won't discharge down to zero, since the discard package and the drive will equalise with each other). Then you just fly until you get up to your 'safe operations' limit, and discharge again. Oh, and pray you don't run out of discharge packages.

 

Since we don't know exactly how Mass Effect drives work, or why they build up static charges, there are probably further energy requirements. I suspect you'll build up charge faster the more material that you're carrying, which turns this into a rocket fuel problem - at some point, the benefit of a discharge is basically cancelled out by the cost of bringing the discharge package with you. (XKCD-What-If tackles a similar problem here - look for when it starts talking about ammunition. WARNING: Reading XKCD can be addictive if you're anything like me.)

 

Nonetheless, this is a method that would at least get you some of the way, and we don't know enough about the technology to figure out where the limit is.

[Spacepunk01]

Nonetheless, this is a method that would at least get you some of the way, and we don't know enough about the technology to figure out where the limit is.

 

 

This is the issue, we don't know enough about the technology, other than the fact that it's extremely advanced. I don't think its reasonable to expect that organics could solve the FTL discharge problem.The Reapers actually intended to leave organics with inferior FTL schematics, for obvious reasons. They must have been very confident that organic civilizations couldn't replicate Reaper FTL technology.

 

There seems to be three options for intergalactic travel:

 

1. Conventional FTL technology:

 

The discharge problem makes the journey impossible.

 

2. Reaper FTL technology:

 

How can we replicate it, and why aren't the Reapers in Andromeda?

 

3. Wormhole:

 

I guess..

 

Regarding 2: The Prothean's replicated the Mass Relay (miniature) technology. Don't we consider Mass Relay technology to be the most advanced technology in the galaxy? Can this fact tell us something about the possibility of replicating Reaper FTL technology?

[JasonShepard]

This is the issue, we don't know enough about the technology, other than the fact that it's extremely advanced. I don't think its reasonable to expect that organics could solve the FTL discharge problem.The Reapers actually intended to leave organics with inferior FTL schematics, for obvious reasons. They must have been very confident that organic civilizations couldn't replicate Reaper FTL technology.

 

There seems to be three options for intergalactic travel:

 

1. Conventional FTL technology:

 

The discharge problem makes the journey impossible.

 

2. Reaper FTL technology:

 

How can we replicate it, and why aren't the Reapers in Andromeda?

 

3. Wormhole:

 

I guess..

 

Regarding 2: The Prothean's replicated the Mass Relay (miniature) technology. Don't we consider Mass Relay technology to be the most advanced technology in the galaxy? Can this fact tell us something about the possibility of replicating Reaper FTL technology?

 

Personally I subscribe to wormhole theory - or at least, I'm guessing a sufficiently powerful Mass Relay will get discovered, and that it wasn't built by the Reapers. Sets up a nice mystery as to who built it, and gets us to where the plot needs us to be.

[jennamarae]

I don't think it'll be enough though given the nature of the endeavor.

Probably not, but that would depend on what exactly they continued to fund research on and how much progress they had already made before the reapers hit. If it's relevant research, then continuing it is in the galaxy's best interest.

It was just a line I came across a few days ago that was fresh in my mind when I found this thread and it seemed relevant since it suggests that at least some races are continuing scientific research that began prior to the appearance of the reapers. We just don't know what that scientific research is.

[Ahriman]

Personally I subscribe to wormhole theory - or at least, I'm guessing a sufficiently powerful Mass Relay will get discovered, and that it wasn't built by the Reapers. Sets up a nice mystery as to who built it, and gets us to where the plot needs us to be.

I dunno, it creates more problems than it solver.

• If it leads to another galaxy it should be like x times bigger than Citadel, which certainly should have got reaper's attention
• Even if they don't use it, they certainly should guard it or it least move into safe place, in case some evil AI shows up to rape Milky Way
• And most important - it would be two-way path, which is not an option

BTW Andromeda teaser shows number of new "Mako" - M-40. In case someone forgot - Mako was M-35, Hammerhead was M-44. It could mean nothing or it could hint on when Ark Project (ARKON) was started.

[JasonShepard]

I dunno, it creates more problems than it solver.

• If it leads to another galaxy it should be like x times bigger than Citadel, which certainly should have got reaper's attention
• Even if they don't use it, they certainly should guard it or it least move into safe place, in case some evil AI shows up to rape Milky Way
• And most important - it would be two-way path, which is not an option

BTW Andromeda teaser shows number of new "Mako" - M-40. In case someone forgot - Mako was M-35, Hammerhead was M-44. It could mean nothing or it could hint on when Ark Project (ARKON) was started.

 

The galaxy is a horrendously big place. You're right that there'd need to be some reason why the Reapers missed it, but it's not impossible that they did. (Also, size isn't necessarily a factor given that the Ilos Conduit is tiny compared to most relays, yet perfectly capable of sending you halfway across the galaxy in one shot.)

 

And yes, it would be a two-way path. Doesn't mean we'd be able to use it in gameplay - after all, we spent ME1&2 completely unable to visit Earth. And I don't consider contact with the Milky Way to be the huge problem that everyone else seems to think it is...

[SNascimento]

If there was an ark, I hope the leadership of all and any race (I hope this means what I think it means) wasn't involved in the least. Sure, the reapers by this time can't be butched further as a meaningful threat, but at least don't butcher Shepard.