Without the capacity to actually make such a trip, I doubt anyone would have been hatching that kind of scheme at the time. More than likely it would have been something like the protheans hiding away in a bunker while some select individuals cryo their way out of the reaper war.
Plans for preservation are not ridiculous. It would be ridiculous no one in the Milky Way thought about one.
Not what I was referring to. Developing and constructing a giant intergalactic-capable ark ship when we don't have the technology is still ridiculous.
Not what I was referring to. Developing and constructing a giant intergalactic-capable ark ship when we don't have the technology is still ridiculous.
You sure the plans for the Crucible which is a combination of millions of species across millennias' ideas and technology wouldn't have given any of the millions of scientists working on the thing some ideas in the current cycle? The crucible was a big unknown through the entire game, I'm sure scientists got plenty of ideas while studying the thing.
We know that many cycles have tried to build the Crucible, so I think it'd be curious if the current cycle species weren't the only ones who tried developing an ark ship from the technology as well. At least a couple alien species we meet in Andromeda could have been a MWG species that escaped the cycle. That would even work as a mid-game twist. "You mean the Khet... are from the Milky Way?"
There's a lot more Bioware can do with this, and just passing everything off as stupid for the sake of not wanting to be happy with the next game's direction doesn't do anybody any favors.
Not what I was referring to. Developing and constructing a giant intergalactic-capable ark ship when we don't have the technology is still ridiculous.
"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,"
You sure the plans for the Crucible which is a combination of millions of species across millennias' ideas and technology wouldn't have given any of the millions of scientists working on the thing some ideas in the current cycle? The crucible was a big unknown through the entire game, I'm sure scientists got plenty of ideas while studying the thing.
We know that many cycles have tried to build the Crucible, so I think it'd be curious if the current cycle species weren't the only ones who tried developing an ark ship from the technology as well. At least a couple alien species we meet in Andromeda could have been a MWG species that escaped the cycle. That would even work as a mid-game twist. "You mean the Khet... are from the Milky Way?"
There's a lot more Bioware can do with this, and just passing everything off as stupid for the sake of not wanting to be happy with the next game's direction doesn't do anybody any favors.
Giving scientists ideas does not equal them being able to do it the moment they get the idea. The entirety of science fiction is an example of that, hence the name science fiction.
I want to be happy with the next game's direction, but so far there is nothing to be happy about and a lot to be unhappy about.
"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,"
And it took America nearly a decade to do it while understanding the physics involved, while this intergalactic drive would take six months while not understanding the physics involved.
Giving scientists ideas does not equal them being able to do it the moment they get the idea. The entirety of science fiction is an example of that, hence the name science fiction.
I want to be happy with the next game's direction, but so far there is nothing to be happy about and a lot to be unhappy about.
And it took America nearly a decade to do it while understanding the physics involved, while this intergalactic drive would take six months while not understanding the physics involved.
It might already been built at that point, just not deployed.
It might already been built at that point, just not deployed.
That goes against the established lore that states the top scientists have no idea on how Reaper drives work, seeing them as breaking the laws of physics.
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That goes against the established lore that states the top scientists have no idea on how Reaper drives work, seeing them as breaking the laws of physics.
Well providing of course that they are using "reaper drives". And not say a static wormhole or something.
That goes against the established lore that states the top scientists have no idea on how Reaper drives work, seeing them as breaking the laws of physics.
Well providing of course that they are using "reaper drives". And not say a static wormhole or something.
One thing that bothers me about this moment being the impetus that drives the "arkcon pathfinder initiative" is that it is very late in the game and we could most certainly not see hanar, drell, quarians, or geth in Andromeda.We will see the krogan because, genophage or no genophage, they can still breed and thrive in Andromeda concerning themselves with building a home as opposed to fighting. I have not played the trilogy in over 2 years, but was it not said that with enough time- which we are being given in this new setting and I suspect allows us to build that huge citadel-like replica in Andromeda possibly for a sense of normalcy and community- the krogan can defeat the genophage on their own.However, the drell and hanar can be doomed in that hanar diplomat mission. The quarians that participated in the conflct with the geth most certainly perished. While there are certainly stragglers or exiles, would the council even desire to planet hop here and there to pick up enough quarian straglers for the ark mission. And even if we did invite these stragglers and exiles I doubt they would join, especially if the geth are on the ark (were chosen).I think BioWare will drop the drell, hanar, geth (definately) and quarians from participation in the ark if the decision is made post-Thessia.
There are ways they can have all the races around. We know that all the races you mentioned weren't just on those homeworlds. As for the Quarians not working with Geth, the MP which is canon disproves that since there are Geth and Quarians that fight alongside each other.
Well providing of course that they are using "reaper drives". And not say a static wormhole or something.
So a Deus Ex Machina?
There are ways they can have all the races around. We know that all the races you mentioned weren't just on those homeworlds. As for the Quarians not working with Geth, the MP which is canon disproves that since there are Geth and Quarians that fight alongside each other.
So a Deus Ex Machina?
That does not mean what you think it means.
That does not mean what you think it means.
I think it means what it means, "a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty".
I think it means what it means, "a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty".
And a static wormhole to close to the andromeda galaxy that only the Asari knows about is not that.
A thing that the protagonist does not know about is not per definition a Deus Ex Machina.
And a static wormhole to close to the andromeda galaxy that only the Asari knows about is not that.
A thing that the protagonist does not know about is not per definition a Deus Ex Machina.
The fact it suddenly makes travel to another galaxy possible when it was impossible before it showed up does.
That goes against the established lore that states the top scientists have no idea on how Reaper drives work, seeing them as breaking the laws of physics.
Not to mention according to Kaidan in ME1, humanity gave up on finding alternate means of ftl (referred to as "goose-chase"experiments) when eezo and the relays were discovered.
"Then I should go. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered. I never imagined this day would come." I never really payed much attention that line but after Andromeda was announced and hearing about the Ark theory, it really stuck out to me.
Yeah, me too. If it is what we think it is, then there is some surprisingly coherent writing on Bioware's side. That concept-art is probably unrelated though.
Technically Council has stasis chambers technology from Ilos, the main problem is to actually get to Andromeda.
Option 1. Council got from Sovy more than they said, including engine. This allows to begin Ark construction right after ME1.
Option 2. Asari knew about possibly usable wormhole on their territory, but never considered using it, since they didn't know where it leads and how big are chances of survival.
The Council races might not necessarily need to master the Reapers' ability to travel at FTL without stopping to refuel or drive discharge. The dark space between galaxies isn't entirely dark, and there are stars and remnants of stars ejected by their former parent galaxies in between, presumably with orbiting planets. An ark might be able to zig zag between these, using these galactic cast offs to refuel and discharge their drives.
It would lengthen the journey of course, but that may be an option if drive discharge and refueling are still issues.
The space between a cluster’s galaxies is not entirely empty — sometimes there are stars. These intracluster stars have been ejected from their host galaxies and left to drift alone in intergalactic space. Though they’re solitary, they’re still important for understanding how much mass the universe contains, and where that mass is.
But there’s a catch. Although it’s possible to make out a star in relatively nearby Andromeda Galaxy, it’s not so easy to see individual stars beyond our local universe. This is why astronomers have turned to supernovae, which are much brighter and easier to spot, to map normal matter between more distant galaxies.
And it took America nearly a decade to do it while understanding the physics involved, while this intergalactic drive would take six months while not understanding the physics involved.
It took America nearly a decade in relative peacetime as well.
Not being invaded by a vastly greater power and working on the Manhattan Project.
Yet average star density between galaxies makes chances of finding "discharge bridge" to Andromeda close to zero.
slow discharge
Could you say more on this? Where was this mentioned?
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I do not know if this has been discussed before, and I may be reading to deeply into this, but:
Doubtful I would think, considering Cerberus were a Reaper 5th Column in Mass Effect 3.
Bioware's writers at some point did seem to decide that Cerberus was more interesting than the Reapers, considering the former got much more attention (particularly if including the EU), but having Cerberus be responsible for the pathfinder initiative would seem to be at odds with Mass Effect 3, where Cerberus had fallen to indoctrination. That is unless the pathfinder initiative sets out before Cerberus became indoctrinated, but even that would create some issues.
Cerberus for example probably wouldn't include aliens on any ark project. Any colonization effort would probably be human only.
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