All top minds working on the Crucible
No one ever said that. In a galaxy full of people with different ideas, views and such, it would be completly unrealistic if literally everyone focused solely on 1 plan and didn't even consider other options or "plan B" in case of a failure. Seriously, Asari are still playing political games with the Thessia beacon even with all the urgency and faith in the Crucible.
They've found this out only when they reverse engineered this stuff. So...
Sooo... what? It violated known physical laws before it was reverse engineered? Or it was just a big honkin' space canon, which after a year of research (in which the galaxy was not being invaded by Space Cthulhu, nor was a certain human Admiral throwing everyone he could find who knew which end of a hammer to hold on a major superweapon project) they were able to build smaller, weaker versions?
No one ever said that. In a galaxy full of people with different ideas, views and such, it would be completly unrealistic if literally everyone focused solely on 1 plan and didn't even consider other options or "plan B" in case of a failure. Seriously, Asari are still playing political games with the Thessia beacon even with all the urgency and faith in the Crucible.
Plan B was Sword Fleet. Hackett said himself if they couldn't get the Crucible working they'd send in the fleet and "take our chances"
This Ark idea would be Plan C at least.
Plan B was Sword Fleet. Hackett said himself if they couldn't get the Crucible working they'd send in the fleet and "take our chances"
This Ark idea would be Plan C at least.
Maybe someone else was working with the Ark while Hackett did the Crucible
Sooo... what? It violated known physical laws before it was reverse engineered? Or it was just a big honkin' space canon, which after a year of research (in which the galaxy was not being invaded by Space Cthulhu, nor was a certain human Admiral throwing everyone he could find who knew which end of a hammer to hold on a major superweapon project) they were able to build smaller, weaker versions?
So they had no idea what it was, they thought it's some energy weapon (ME1 writers probably did the same, but whatever) until they studied it and found that it uses good old ME.
And again, why are you putting in my mouth things I didn't say? Because I never told they got Reaper engine tech after Thessia. They had opportunity to study Sovy's parts when "the galaxy was not being invaded by Space Cthulhu".
Plan B was Sword Fleet. Hackett said himself if they couldn't get the Crucible working they'd send in the fleet and "take our chances"
This Ark idea would be Plan C at least.
But that plan is as insane as it is stupid. So perhaps the other Citadel races - and the branch of humanity that wasn't about to commit suicide against an indestructible foe - decided to go with Plan "literally anything but this one."
There is no set number value to the word few. The phrase 'a few months' could refer to any number of months greater than one but probably less than twelve. Assigning the number six is arbitrary.
You're also operating under the assumption that the Council species didn't begin studying the relevant Reaper technology until at some point during the Reaper War, which may not have been the case. They may have already had parts of Sovereign related to that technology, with recovered tech from the Reaper War filling in the knowledge gaps. If they had a head start with Sovereign that would be three years working on reverse engineering technology related to Reaper propulsion.
There is also the Batarians, who had something like twenty years to study the Leviathan of Dis. With Batarian refugees, both civilian and military, flooding into Council space by the thousands, if not millions, how do we know that scans of the Leviathan of Dis may not have also found their way into Council space?
I believe six months was mentioned specifically, but I haven't been able to play ME3 for years so maybe I confused that and the time between ME2 and ME3 which is established as six months. The point is however that it was less than a year definitely so less time than they had with the Thanix cannon, and that's not counting all the best minds being on the Crucible Project.
No, I'm operating under the fact that in Mass Effect 3 Bioware tells us that the top minds of our galaxy didn't have a clue how Reaper drives work by the time the Reapers showed up. Apparently Sovereign's wreckage wasn't any big help in regards to Reaper drives. Makes sense since in ME1 we see it go boom.
All the Batarians who worked on the Leviathan of Dis project were indoctrinated. They served as Reaper agents and sabotaged Khar'Shan's defenses and fired on Batarian ships. Balak tells us this.
The stars would be located well before the ark sets out. Keep in mind that galactic civilization spans the entirety of the Milky Way, and that some of Council species have been space faring for thousands of years. In all that time no one built anything like our Hubble Telescope, except many times more powerful and located closer to the galactic edge, to gaze out at what is beyond our own galactic borders? The stars between the Milky Way and Andromeda should have been discovered and mapped many, many years before the Ark ever sets out...and likely before humanity ever joins the galactic community.
As for planets...I didn't mention them because I didn't have to. The majority of stars have orbiting planets. It should be assumed that stars have them unless demonstrated otherwise. Like the intergalactic stars themselves, most of these planets should be discovered long before an ark ever sets out, whether or not a leap frog course between them makes a journey to Andromeda possible. The same space telescope(s) mapping those stars should have noticed the telltale wobbles of orbiting planets. Some may have even had probes sent to them.
For stars in galaxies, yes planets are a likely occurrence after a time. However stars in the void of dark space are a different matter. They get there because somehow they were thrown out of their galaxy, meaning their planets were likely shredded off of them due to the forces involved.
Plan B was Sword Fleet. Hackett said himself if they couldn't get the Crucible working they'd send in the fleet and "take our chances"
This Ark idea would be Plan C at least.
Hackett is an idiot. He put all his marbles in one bag without having any backup plan. Lets send the fleets to Earth and take our chances. Lets tie the clown to the front of the Normandy while heading to Earth so he can get a first hand look at how well our chances are.
"Then I should go. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered. I never imagined this day would come."
She talked about putting plans in motion. That doesn't mean that she dreamed up those plans after their homeworld was lost. It is more likely that those plans already existed.
It could be much like the Crucible. Those plans were found and many civilizations of previous cycles worked on that. Our cycle was able to complete it. Even the Intelligence was surprised by it.
An ark could be developed along similar lines. Such an ark could already exist and the asari found it and were able to use it, after some repairs, or, just like the Crucible, the asari were able to finish building it. Probably with the help of the turians and salarians. Again this could have taken place at an earlier time. All they needed to do now was fly it to Andromeda.
It makes sense to keep that a secret. You wouldn't tell the people that you were jumping ship in the middle of a war to save a small minority, right?
gorram asari
I knew I was justified in arbitrarily hating them from day 1!
gorram asari
I knew I was justified in arbitrarily hating them fom day 1!
But your being saved by them 
But your being saved by them
nah man, they turned tail and ran like the cowards I knew them always to be!
"Asari commandos? I expected better" indeed
nah man, they turned tail and ran like the cowards I knew them always to be!
"Asari commandos? I expected better" indeed
But we saw Asari commandos on Earf
Makes sense to have a backup plan in case the crucible is useless, especially because we don't know what it does. But assuming it's an asari ark, why would they put a human in charge of the mission?
Because we overthrew them for withholding tech and information
Makes sense to have a backup plan in case the crucible is useless, especially because we don't know what it does. But assuming it's an asari ark, why would they put a human in charge of the mission?
That's a good question. Perhaps the remarks of the asari councilor feel like she was talking about her own people, but if the other races were already involved in the plans, then putting them in motion could simple mean convincing them that now is the time to go.
Although it might be tempting for the writers and they could say, "look how clever we were thinking of it back then", I think it would be a mistake. Their earlier conversations with Shepard only make sense if you assume they are too scared to acknowledge the existence of the reapers at that time. If they believed the reapers were genuinely a threat they simply wouldn't be so resistant to making plans to stop, or at least delay them. And it is too late to initiate such a project after the Thessia mission.
The Ark project, if we do move to Andromeda in such a way, really needs to be initiated and controlled by a private group. If the writers really wanted to tie it back to that conversation you could have the private group contact the Asari ambassador to offer places to select individuals in return for supplies.
Assume that the writers would want to avoid the ME3 ending from having an impact on MEA then the ark should have left the Milky Way before the ending. That would be possible if the plans existed well before that. Otherwise it would be possible that for an example the synthesis ending would have changed the species. So it makes sense to have it leave the galaxy before that. Traveling to Andromeda would take many years and thus the time in which MEA takes place could still be in the far future.
No one ever said that. In a galaxy full of people with different ideas, views and such, it would be completly unrealistic if literally everyone focused solely on 1 plan and didn't even consider other options or "plan B" in case of a failure. Seriously, Asari are still playing political games with the Thessia beacon even with all the urgency and faith in the Crucible.
Thing is too many resources and manpower are already committed to the crucible, there will simply not be enough of either to carry out such a large project. There is also the fact the logistics and scale of the project would mean that it won't stay secret forever.
Plan B was Sword Fleet. Hackett said himself if they couldn't get the Crucible working they'd send in the fleet and "take our chances"
This Ark idea would be Plan C at least.
This Ark idea isn't even in the alphabet.
Thing is too many resources and manpower are committed to the crucible, there will simply not be enough of either to carry out such a large project.
Oh come on, do you have any idea how many people and resources would exist in a galactic civilization spanning hundreds (thousands?) of populated worlds?
Not to mention an ark would be considerably less resource intensive than building a device bigger than the Citadel. And you seem to be assuming these projects would be beginning at the same time, competing for resources. That's the least likely option. Its more likely that this project has been in development ever since Sovereign attacked.
Although it might be tempting for the writers and they could say, "look how clever we were thinking of it back then", I think it would be a mistake. Their earlier conversations with Shepard only make sense if you assume they are too scared to acknowledge the existence of the reapers at that time. If they believed the reapers were genuinely a threat they simply wouldn't be so resistant to making plans to stop, or at least delay them. And it is too late to initiate such a project after the Thessia mission.
The Ark project, if we do move to Andromeda in such a way, really needs to be initiated and controlled by a private group. If the writers really wanted to tie it back to that conversation you could have the private group contact the Asari ambassador to offer places to select individuals in return for supplies.
There are so many non-insane reasons to have an Ark project set up. I understand that this forum seems to strongly favour the idea that the Ark is what gets people to Andromeda, but there's absolutely no way or reason that this needs to be the case.
Simply put, they can want to create some new form of colony Ark, for whatever reason (including a decade before the Reaper war and Shepard) and they get caught up with Precursor tech (or whatever).
"Then I should go. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered. I never imagined this day would come."
She talked about putting plans in motion. That doesn't mean that she dreamed up those plans after their homeworld was lost. It is more likely that those plans already existed.
Except she didn't say that, the line does nothing to build up such a project as its just too vague. The scale and logistics of the project would also be impossible to keep secret for long, groups such as the shadow broker, cerberus and STG would learn of its existence.
It could be much like the Crucible. Those plans were found and many civilizations of previous cycles worked on that. Our cycle was able to complete it. Even the Intelligence was surprised by it.
An ark could be developed along similar lines. Such an ark could already exist and the asari found it and were able to use it, after some repairs, or, just like the Crucible, the asari were able to finish building it. Probably with the help of the turians and salarians. Again this could have taken place at an earlier time. All they needed to do now was fly it to Andromeda.
That would be extremely contrived and also bad writing on Bioware's part, also the turians aren't the kind who'd run away from a fight they'd fight till the bitter end.
It makes sense to keep that a secret. You wouldn't tell the people that you were jumping ship in the middle of a war to save a small minority, right?
No it wouldn't people such as Shepard and Hackett should know that there is a back up plan in existence should the crucible fail and they can be trusted with the secrecy.
I don't know how the colonists are going to get to Andromeda, but they're not going to get there in an ark. An ark would be filled with refugees and survivors of the Reaper War and the Reaper War is Shephard's story and Shephard's story is over. An ark would imply continuity and Bioware isn't going to do that. They're not going to have a bunch of settlers sitting around, getting drunk, and wondering what ever happened to those Reapers.
Oh come on, do you have any idea how many people and resources would exist in a galactic civilization spanning hundreds (thousands?) of populated worlds?
Its been stated in game that the entire galactic economy is throwing all its resources into the crucible as they are willing to risk collapsing the economy in order for it to be finished.
Not to mention an ark would be considerably less resource intensive than building a device bigger than the Citadel. And you seem to be assuming these projects would be beginning at the same time, competing for resources. That's the least likely option.
This a project that's going to require hundreds of thousands of personal and massive amounts of resources there is no way it can stay secret from the likes of the shadow broker, cerberus and the STG.
Its more likely that this project has been in development ever since Sovereign attacked.
Then why didn't they use the resources to I don't know prepare for the arrival of the reapers. The idea of building an ark without even trying to prepare for the reapers is just defeatist, they're doing it because the galaxy isn't worth saving.
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