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[Drone223]

If he's furious about that, he may want to look in the mirror. He along with the rest of the ME1 characters made no effort at all to find a way to stop the reapers after the SR1 was destroyed

It'd be just as bad if not worse if they decided to build an ark instead of coming up with something to stop the reapers and to be frank all politicians in ME are all portrayed as idiots otherwise we wouldn't have things such as "ah yes reapers".

Having competent politicians would mean that asari would've shared their prothean beacon and end the war much quicker.

[Hadeedak]

It'd be just as bad if not worse if they decided to build an ark instead of coming up with something to stop the reapers and to be frank all politicians in ME are all portrayed as idiots otherwise we wouldn't have things such as "ah yes reapers".

 

What, you think Shepard's dreams after contact with a mindbreaking device are a valid source of evidence?

 

I mean, it was right, but Shepard came off as a total bag lady during certain parts of ME1 and I was frankly astounded anyone went along with it.

 

Anyway, it'd probably be the most sensible choice the Council ever made to have multiple Reaper plans, rather than bet it all on the superweapon that no one even knows what it does.

[Drone223]

What, you think Shepard's dreams after contact with a mindbreaking device are a valid source of evidence?

 

I mean, it was right, but Shepard came off as a total bag lady during certain parts of ME1 and I was frankly astounded anyone went along with it.

 

 

The council believed Tali's recording without questioning if its fabricated (which shows the power of plot convenience). They should also believe Shepards meeting with sovereign.

 

Anyway, it'd probably be the most sensible choice the Council ever made to have multiple Reaper plans, rather than bet it all on the superweapon that no one even knows what it does.

 

Agreed the same would be said of building an ark ship without even trying to come up with a way to stop the reapers.

[Hadeedak]

I'd guess they were working like most people do when faced with a seemingly insoluble crisis: work on a few possible solutions in tandem. I'd even speculate there were probably a few more options out there if we're the ark ship. Stasis, maybe a team working on some other weapon... Obviously, Shepard's game focused on Shepard's solution. And that worked, but before they fired that baby up, there was no guarantee the Crucible would do a damn thing beyond be shiny.

[Malanek]

What, you think Shepard's dreams after contact with a mindbreaking device are a valid source of evidence?

 

I mean, it was right, but Shepard came off as a total bag lady during certain parts of ME1 and I was frankly astounded anyone went along with it.

 

Anyway, it'd probably be the most sensible choice the Council ever made to have multiple Reaper plans, rather than bet it all on the superweapon that no one even knows what it does.

At the end of ME1 there was some more tangible proof. All they knew throughout most of ME1 was that Saren was up to no good, and they had some proof on that. Reapers weren't really known about then.

[SubjectZer0]

With what money? They were bleeding the entire galactic economy dry just funding the Crucible, add to that the general cost of war (particularly against a foe as destructive at the Reapers) and it should quickly become obvious to everyone with more than two brain cells that they couldn't possibly fund the construction of an Arkship.

Honestly, what is the point of being so rude? Ever since I joined this forum the other day I've honestly been shocked by the amount of negativity and close mindedness on here. I've seen so much homophobic, transphobic, sexist, racist and just generally rude statements like yours in less than a week.

Anyway, I heard about the ark theory and when I heard the Councilor say that it sounded like she could have been talking about the ark. It's a theory and it's just speculation. I even said that I know I could be reaching and the Councilor could be talking about literally anything.

Relax, sweety. = ]

[Random]

Honestly, what is the point of being so rude? Ever since I joined this forum the other day I've honestly been shocked by the amount of negativity and close mindedness on here. I've seen so much homophobic, transphobic, sexist, racist and just generally rude statements like yours in less than a week.

Welcome to the dark side BSN.  We have no cookies.

[In Exile]

Non-insane reasons to have a galaxy spanning arkship capable of transporting thousands of people? When there are many garden worlds so much closer closer? And one where the arkship is sent before probes or scout ships? Could you list some?

The big pre-cursor tech that is out of range is probably the propulsion method if it is to be less than a 1000 year journey. And that would have so many immensely valuable applications within the milky way that it wouldn't be kept secret.

To me, the emphasis on secrecy has to be about knowledge of the reapers. I'm open to a good argument about why they would be be building an arkship for no particular reason. But I can't even begin to think of one myself.

The answer on the colony ark is simple: the attempt is to colonize areas of space not easily reachable by mass relay, or to develop means to create self-sufficient colonies that don't depend on the material backing of a state for decades/centuries to be set up. That's the impetus behind having an arc. A private venture - or a Citadel research project - handles the multi-national aspect of the mission. A self-sufficient colony from Day 1 is a potentially huge cost saver.

And yet again on the issue of travel it seems I run up against a wall. Why do you assume (1) the tech that kicked people to Andromeda was something the ME:A cast chose to use and (2) gave them absolutely any choice in the matter or any opportunity to turn back?

There's absolutely no reason for it to involve the reapers or the reaper plot. The idea they could build a galaxy spanning arc during the time the war is going on - without the industry to do it - is top stupid even for Bioware I think.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

Honestly, what is the point of being so rude? Ever since I joined this forum the other day I've honestly been shocked by the amount of negativity and close mindedness on here. I've seen so much homophobic, transphobic, sexist, racist and just generally rude statements like yours in less than a week.

For what it's worth I apologise on behalf of those a**es on this forum. That being said, this is the BSN. You'll likely not find a more wretched hive of opinionated and unreasonable jerks on the internet.

[SubjectZer0]

For what it's worth I apologise on behalf of those a**es on this forum. That being said, this is the BSN. You'll likely not find a more wretched hive of opinionated and unreasonable jerks on the internet.

Thank you! I just don't understand Arcian's reason for insulting anyone who believes this theory. What's the point of that? For a few likes on a post? They could have argued their point without being aggressive and insulting anyone but this is forum so never mind lol.

Most of the people I've met on here and talked to like you have been very nice, there's just a few bad eggs lol.

Thanks again!

[Malanek]

The answer on the colony ark is simple: the attempt is to colonize areas of space not easily reachable by mass relay, or to develop means to create self-sufficient colonies that don't depend on the material backing of a state for decades/centuries to be set up. That's the impetus behind having an arc. A private venture - or a Citadel research project - handles the multi-national aspect of the mission. A self-sufficient colony from Day 1 is a potentially huge cost saver.

 

As for your first example, there is no region in  the milky way that in any way resembles the same conditions as going to Andromeda. You fly to the nearest mass relay, then wherever you want from there and will get there in a few days.

 

As for your second example, no it is not a huge cost saver. The cheapest way to set up a colony would to be to fly all the bits in as most convenient. Not package everything into one ship and then send it out not even using relays.

 

You're creating solutions without a problem.

[Malanek]

Honestly, what is the point of being so rude? Ever since I joined this forum the other day I've honestly been shocked by the amount of negativity and close mindedness on here. I've seen so much homophobic, transphobic, sexist, racist and just generally rude statements like yours in less than a week.

Anyway, I heard about the ark theory and when I heard the Councilor say that it sounded like she could have been talking about the ark. It's a theory and it's just speculation. I even said that I know I could be reaching and the Councilor could be talking about literally anything.

Relax, sweety. = ]

There was nothing homophobic, transphobic, sexist or racist about the post you were responding to. The only rude bit was "and it should quickly become obvious to everyone with more than two brain cells that they couldn't possibly fund the construction of an Arkship". Not a big issue imo. There may be some rude posts but I think this one was way at the lower end of the scale.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Fine, then you have to include the Ark Project as well.

No, not really. This new game wasn't planned when Mass Effect 3 was released. Therefore, however we get to Andromeda is not accounted for in Mass Effect 3. 

[SubjectZer0]

There was nothing homophobic, transphobic, sexist or racist about the post you were responding to. The only rude bit was "and it should quickly become obvious to everyone with more than two brain cells that they couldn't possibly fund the construction of an Arkship". Not a big issue imo. There may be some rude posts but I think this one was way at the lower end of the scale.

I never said Arcian's post was discriminatory in any way. - "I've seen so much homophobic, transphobic, sexist, racist *and just generally rude statements like yours* in less than a week."

I was referring to other posts in other threads when I was talking about the racism, homophobia, transphobia and sexism that I've seen on here.

[Computron2000]

Regarding the distance and FTL drives, consider that cryogenics are already old hat (look at the snap freeze power in ME3). Dusting off old tech in a desperate effort to reach safety is possible, as is a wormhole or even more outlandish ideas such as commandeering a semi dead reaper itself (as long as the indoctrination process could be blocked)

[SubjectZer0]

Regarding the distance and FTL drives, consider that cryogenics are already old hat (look at the snap freeze power in ME3). Dusting off old tech in a desperate effort to reach safety is possible, as is a wormhole or even more outlandish ideas such as commandeering a semi dead reaper itself (as long as the indoctrination process could be blocked)

I really, really hope they don't use anything to do with Reaper tech because that's just asking for trouble and that would be starting a brand new civilization in the middle of nowhere with all indoctrinated people...but then again this is the Councilor we're talking about and they do nothing but make stupid decisions so I guess we'll see

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Regarding the distance and FTL drives, consider that cryogenics are already old hat (look at the snap freeze power in ME3). Dusting off old tech in a desperate effort to reach safety is possible, as is a wormhole or even more outlandish ideas such as commandeering a semi dead reaper itself (as long as the indoctrination process could be blocked)

I have to admit, using a Reaper but having it be indoctrination-proofed like the shard of Sovereign was and having it have its personality serve as the ship's AI with blocks on it like EDI in ME2 would be funny. Maybe we can teach it to love.

[Ahriman]

No, not really. This new game wasn't planned when Mass Effect 3 was released. Therefore, however we get to Andromeda is not accounted for in Mass Effect 3. 

How interesting. So only fans knew there will be a sequel, but not Bioware writers and producers?

I really, really hope they don't use anything to do with Reaper tech because that's just asking for trouble and that would be starting a brand new civilization in the middle of nowhere with all indoctrinated people...but then again this is the Councilor we're talking about and they do nothing but make stupid decisions so I guess we'll see

Well, indoctrination of dead Reaper is pretty much safe for the rest of the population. It does melt your brain until you think that jumping on a giant needle is a good idea, but no trickery or evil plans.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How interesting. So only fans knew there will be a sequel, but not Bioware writers and producers?

I believe Bioware has been quoted saying Mass Effect 3 was the last planned Mass Effect game at the time, hence why they could go with vastly different results of our choices. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

So how exactly did they have enough materials for these so called descendants of the ARK to build Faster-Than-Faster-Than-Light Traveling ships? Where do these ships get food from, Dextro and Amino based to feed these people during the time between presumed cryo-thaw and arriving at Andromeda?

 

How exactly did they get enough resources to arm forces and build structures like we see in the trailer and concept art. Who the hell decided the krogan should come, seeing as we see a krogan in the early preview video. How did such an undertaking occur enough to support a stable population. But the most pressing, in my opinion, is how the heck did the council manage to get this so called Ark out of space, without the reapers knowing, in time for the citadel to be attacked and the endings to occur in mass effect 3?

 

There's a lot of questions that sound like they would need to be waved away with "space magic" in order to work for it. And that's pretty troubling, seeing as we know the writers can't use space magic well to explain away bullshit.

[The Elder King]

True, but they've hinted at so much over the years.  Per the Andromeda website, this game is " taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy," so any familiar face would need to have survived the Reaper war, which brings up the canonization issue and they're not going to touch that.

How does it bring up canonization? Familiar faces can be anyone in the trilogy Who survive regardless of our choices. It doesn't have To be a NPC Who can die.

[Computron2000]

So how exactly did they have enough materials for these so called descendants of the ARK to build Faster-Than-Faster-Than-Light Traveling ships? Where do these ships get food from, Dextro and Amino based to feed these people during the time between presumed cryo-thaw and arriving at Andromeda?

 

How exactly did they get enough resources to arm forces and build structures like we see in the trailer and concept art. Who the hell decided the krogan should come, seeing as we see a krogan in the early preview video. How did such an undertaking occur enough to support a stable population. But the most pressing, in my opinion, is how the heck did the council manage to get this so called Ark out of space, without the reapers knowing, in time for the citadel to be attacked and the endings to occur in mass effect 3?

 

There's a lot of questions that sound like they would need to be waved away with "space magic" in order to work for it. And that's pretty troubling, seeing as we know the writers can't use space magic well to explain away bullshit.

 

Where did bioware say we were going to play the descendents?

 

Barring simpler explainations like a wormhole, you would simply cryo freeze the majority of the population leaving a bare skeleton crew probably supported by a shacked AI. Once the crew leader surveys a good enough planet, they would wake up the bare essential personnel (example architects, botanists, security, etc) to conserve food and other materials. After the personnel set up habitats and aeroponic/hydroponics, the secondary personnel would be woken up for colony expansion before the main population would be woken in stages.

 

As for resources, once you hit a planet, automated mining or possbly geth is the simplest resource collection method but the main ark ship would serve as the seed, allowing the colonists to dismantle it for parts and materials.

 

Building the ark in secrecy isn't very hard given the crucible was also massive and finished in an extremely quick fashion without being detected. As for launching it, as long as you avoided using the relays and doing active scanning (ala ME3), the reapers would be too few and concentrated mainly in invasion fronts to patrol the entire galaxy. Another possibility would be to build it in a conquered region of space where the planetary population were being still being harvested. Ground troops can't spot non-super massive structures in deep space and a conquered region would be rarely patrolled (not when there is a lot greater need for reapers in one of the invasion fronts)

[Cainhurst Crow]

Where did bioware say we were going to play the descendents?

 

Barring simpler explainations like a wormhole, you would simply cryo freeze the majority of the population leaving a bare skeleton crew probably supported by a shacked AI. Once the crew leader surveys a good enough planet, they would wake up the bare essential personnel (example architects, botanists, security, etc) to conserve food and other materials. After the personnel set up habitats and aeroponic/hydroponics, the secondary personnel would be woken up for colony expansion before the main population would be woken in stages.

 

As for resources, once you hit a planet, automated mining or possbly geth is the simplest resource collection method but the main ark ship would serve as the seed, allowing the colonists to dismantle it for parts and materials.

 

Building the ark in secrecy isn't very hard given the crucible was also massive and finished in an extremely quick fashion without being detected. As for launching it, as long as you avoided using the relays and doing active scanning (ala ME3), the reapers would be too few and concentrated mainly in invasion fronts to patrol the entire galaxy. Another possibility would be to build it in a conquered region of space where the planetary population were being still being harvested. Ground troops can't spot non-super massive structures in deep space and a conquered region would be rarely patrolled (not when there is a lot greater need for reapers in one of the invasion fronts)

 

So how exactly did they get this "ark" to the edge of the galaxy and beyond, in under a year if FTL travel would take multiple decades to reach the edge of the galaxy, assuming they did it at a system that boardered the edge of the milky way? If you started at a place like Earth, it'd take 500,000 years to make the trip. And that's being generous.

 

And if we're not playing as the descendants, then this is going to be a very boring game. Cause there's gonna be nothing in the galaxy for us to find. This isn't fallout and it shouldn't become fallout. There needs to be places with people for us to go to and interact with. Not just 1 colony with a bunch of frozen people on it. Also, that's a nice theory you came up with, but it still doesn't answer the technology issue.

 

In the trailer we see someone make a jump to a planet in seconds that's in an entirely different star system. That shouldn't be possible to do unless they've created a means of travelling Faster then the current FTL technology.

 

How the **** would they do that if they're shoved in a flying vault, all frozen?

[Ahriman]

I believe Bioware has been quoted saying Mass Effect 3 was the last planned Mass Effect game at the time, hence why they could go with vastly different results of our choices. 

Funny, I remember them saying it will be the end of Shepard's story.

 

So how exactly did they have enough materials for these so called descendants of the ARK to build Faster-Than-Faster-Than-Light Traveling ships?

We don't know how many of them were made in Andromeda, but materials won't be an issue anyway, since we are talking about freshly colonized territory with all it's minerals intact.

 

Where do these ships get food from, Dextro and Amino based to feed these people during the time between presumed cryo-thaw and arriving at Andromeda?

Not quite understand, why would they be awaken before their arrival? Once they are on suitable planet, there will be not much time until first harvest from hydroponic farms.

 

How exactly did they get enough resources to arm forces and build structures like we see in the trailer and concept art.

Speaking of forces, there isn't much of it. They got rifles, sure, but that's mandatory for colonists from another galaxy. And new Mako doesn't even have weapons, it's supposed to be scout vehicle. And what exactly are structures and concepts you are talking about?

 

Who the hell decided the krogan should come, seeing as we see a krogan in the early preview video.

They are strong, adaptive and can work in very harsh enviroment. (I'm making possible explanations here, since the actual reason is survey results)

 

How did such an undertaking occur enough to support a stable population.

They struggle to reproduce, but they are not sterile.

 

But the most pressing, in my opinion, is how the heck did the council manage to get this so called Ark out of space, without the reapers knowing, in time for the citadel to be attacked and the endings to occur in mass effect 3?

Reapers weren't omnipotent. Leviathans were hiding for thousand of cycles from them, protheans managed to hide entire planet from them. So there is nothing out of lore.

[Torfyn]

Let's say I'm an asari councilor post ME1 ending (either a survivor or a successor). I just saw the Citadel being attacked by a massive ship which oddly fits the description Shepard made of the Reapers. After the death of Sovereign, I claim he was only a geth ship to avoid panic and send Shepard to deal with geth in order to reassure the citizens of the galaxy. But what if I'm not the random stupid moron ME2 makes me look like ? What if I agreed with Shepard that the Reapers are a real threat ?

 

I can try to lauch efforts to reverse engineer Reaper tech in order to fight them with their own weapons, hence the Thanix cannon. But what if it's not enough ? Should I consider a backup plan in case we lose to them ? Obviously the Prothean plan of hiding in Ilos didn't work, but maybe I can do better. Maybe I can send people in another galaxy, where they wouldn't have to hide from the Reapers after they leave the Milky Way. So I do this and begin an Ark project of some kind in secret.

 

2 years later, Shepard comes back from the dead and is working with Cerberus. Will I tell him/her about the project ? Of course not, I don't want the Illusive Man to learn about it. So just play dumb, tell him/her you don't think it was a Reaper and also no human colony is being abducted, that's just stupid. And I continue to work towards an evacuation plan because I have nothing else to hope defeat the Reapers.

 

Then comes ME3 and the Reaper War. A scientist who happens to be the Shadow Broker and Shepard tell me they have the blueprint for some secret weapon to be used against the Reapers, yet I have invested too much in the Ark project to just left it unfinished, so I just bunker up asari space and I do what I must. Should I tell Shepard about it now ? What if he gets captured during one of his/her numerous missions and the Reapers learns by indoctrinating him/her ? Let's just finish the Ark project and put it on hold in case the Crucible works. Then comes the battle of Thessia, my homeworld is lost to the Reapers and Cerberus stole the only way we had to know how to finish the Crucible. The war looks hopeless and Shepard can't do it, so let's just launch the Ark in secret and when it's done, focus on the Reaper War and the Crucible to distract the Reapers long enough for them to not notice refugees leaving the Milky Way.

 

That's what I'd do if I were the asari councilor. Doesn't seems to be a deus ex machina of a plothole to me.